I have the same question because that's my scenario if I get through the lottery

I don't think it's very crazy at all unless you want to compete with elite athletes.

Crazy?! How about tough Goggins style. It’s not at all crazy. People are too supported in the US.

I'm really having a hard time getting into this, when their product contains basically one ingredient, and Spring energy contains multiple ingredients in specific proportions... It's like comparing apples and Nature's Valley granola bars, just really different things. While I'm still listening and I appreciate some of this information and the explanations of the processes, Untapped was just not a great choice for trying to make these comparisons and connections.

​@@JaySizzThis is more of less the industry standard and shows a small business with 10 employees can make a product that is more or less of what the label says. Don't discredit them by saying it's a simple compared to Spring or other energy products because this company, if Untapped followed their procedures now they could be successful at creating products with more ingredients it is just not necessary for their products. Most of their products do use multi ingredient products, some of their products have 10 ingredients that have quality of insurance for each shipment that states this product is within a range of guaranteed micronutrients not just for maple syrup but also the other whole food products as well that are used. Untapped might have a simpler process with less variability than other natural/whole food sports nutrition but the processes can be scaled up so don't discredit them just because they are good at what they do. For example if spring had the same process, they would get a shipment of rice, the supplier will guarantee it's within a certain range. Maybe if a shipment varies, they will mix the shipment to be within their spec with another shipment that has a higher range. This homologizes the rice into whatever spec they have that Spring knows they need to be in order to get the carb content for their portion sizes. They do this with the apple sauce, if one shipment is too watery they can mix it with a batch that is less watery or they can boil some water off to get it within spec. The maple syrup is the same, they can either buy some that that has certificate of quality of insurance for their spec, or do it themselves. Spring has to repeat the same step as untapped a couple more times for their gels. Double and triple check the R&D process for errors. Spring said they found "weakness" in their supplies so were not paying for and using a reputable supplier and getting certificates of quality of insurances? Were they not doing their own testing, testing batches by weighing the rice before and after to check water content and proper cooking, checking for water content is apple sauce and maple syrup from suppliers? Were they not looking for errors in the production and telling their customers? Did all of the sudden almost every gel spring makes with 4 or less carb sources all of sudden lose over 30% of their natural carbs sources because of natural variability? The dude explained perfectly, and with some logic you can see how spring with only a few more ingredients should have prevented such a controversy.

I guess I'll be more direct; I'm mostly referring to Sage. He has promoted the product both as an athlete and then as a coach, simply through representation. I'm having a hard time understanding how he didn't realize something was way off.

@@JaySizz Sage has blown up during many of his longer ultras too and like Koop said they never considered it was the product and had to be a training issue. Also if Spring is willing to be so off on their batches we dont know if they also made full strength batches for people like Sage.

He goes over that several times in the podcast.