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@KE8ODY-WV-Ares-Ham-Dad-3O4
@KE8ODY-WV-Ares-Ham-Dad-3O4 9 сағат бұрын
I feel like they just redressed the old proven models the ft2900,ft2980 ft7900
@MisterTwister55
@MisterTwister55 5 сағат бұрын
The 7900 was a stripped down version of the 8800. The 150 is much more like the 8800 than the 7900 with the dual receivers, crossband, etc. And it's cheaper! Incredible value IMO
@TrollHeroActual
@TrollHeroActual 19 сағат бұрын
Maybe Jason's radio is glitchy and needs a firmware update to correct it.
@MisterTwister55
@MisterTwister55 5 сағат бұрын
The "glitchy" audio we hear is happening after it comes out of the radio 100%.
@WS4ASE
@WS4ASE 20 сағат бұрын
I'd try it on an actual 144-148mhz frequency while being used simplex epeater. I'm certainly not going to judge it based on the already poor quality WX stations. I've been amazed at the other demos I've seen on here.
@Tommy-K4BWN
@Tommy-K4BWN 20 сағат бұрын
I have the ftm 150 myself I don't like the ASP on the radio because on a repeater it makes it sound like in the background like you're on an am cb channel with sideband bleeding in on it sounds gargling .
@MisterTwister55
@MisterTwister55 20 сағат бұрын
@@Tommy-K4BWN yup I have yet to find a use case where the benefit is better than the consequences
@MarkRomo365
@MarkRomo365 22 сағат бұрын
MisterTwister55, so it looks like his video is flawed. You have the rig, can you do the same test he did and report back. Thanks, Mark
@MisterTwister55
@MisterTwister55 22 сағат бұрын
@@MarkRomo365 I have a few videos already showing it. I even showed a clip of it in this video.
@robertm1672
@robertm1672 Күн бұрын
I completely disagree with your opinion. You clearly do not understand the feature or the proper use of it.
@MisterTwister55
@MisterTwister55 Күн бұрын
@@robertm1672 very little opinion is given in this video 😂
@robertm1672
@robertm1672 Күн бұрын
Fact! It was mostly all ignorance given thank you btw. And thanks to the op for highlighting this!
@SoCoguy
@SoCoguy 2 күн бұрын
I agree, same thoughts. I'm disappointed. Yeasu doesn't have software yet, RT systems software isn't up to par, menus are confusing. I'm thinking of just going back to my DB-50. Clean, easy to understand, program, etc.
@Danya9k
@Danya9k 2 күн бұрын
EOWS 612 and EOWS 115
@stay_in_adventure
@stay_in_adventure 2 күн бұрын
Is there a MARS mod for this available yet?
@dogbarbill
@dogbarbill 3 күн бұрын
Good to know about the crossband repeat feature. I've become spoiled on that which is why I have the 8800. I may bite the bullet and get one of these. 73 de N5NUK.
@TheGmr140
@TheGmr140 3 күн бұрын
😂😊
@fredlohmann1448
@fredlohmann1448 3 күн бұрын
is it noon there when it happend?
@DM-fz3ly
@DM-fz3ly 4 күн бұрын
How about showing how the channels look when they have a label, can you see both freq and label at the same time?? Also what kind of memory grouping is there? Are there hyper memories or at least memory groups of some kind? Not just memory groups by band but can you choose which memory channels to put in a given group or bank? Thanks!!
@paulmitchell4421
@paulmitchell4421 4 күн бұрын
what is the tx range after unlock mod?
@MisterTwister55
@MisterTwister55 4 күн бұрын
@@paulmitchell4421 not sure. Probably the same as the 500
@paulmitchell4421
@paulmitchell4421 4 күн бұрын
@MisterTwister55 which is?
@MisterTwister55
@MisterTwister55 4 күн бұрын
@@paulmitchell4421 not sure. I don’t own that radio. And to be frank, I have no interest in unlocking this one. I have plenty of Motorola radios for that purpose. I’ve never been a fan of operating these radios out of the ham band, especially mobiles. I’m not sure how efficient they are outside of their intended home.
@paulmitchell4421
@paulmitchell4421 4 күн бұрын
it's just like kenwood tm-v71 and others used to be. the digital garbage took that away from us...
@MisterTwister55
@MisterTwister55 4 күн бұрын
@@paulmitchell4421 the good old days when we had radios that actually worked
@alvarogaitan2529
@alvarogaitan2529 5 күн бұрын
wow great job thanks 73 from kb2uew
@djmambito2
@djmambito2 5 күн бұрын
@MisterTwister55 , The signal level vs noise ratio used in this video ... is obviously the ideal ... lets say it is about half way ... and the best for this filter to work good ... But on stronger signals it becomes digital sounding ... and on weaker signals it zaps and interrupts the audio ... does that describe it correct ? (asking cause i dont have one yet)
@MisterTwister55
@MisterTwister55 4 күн бұрын
@@djmambito2 that’s partially correct. At the highest signal to noise ratio, asp does a good job removing any minor distractions and only adds a minor digital sound. As the ratio decreases, it sounds more and more like digital. When it falls below a certain threshold, it completely loses
@TheGigaChezit
@TheGigaChezit 5 күн бұрын
Now that was pretty epic. Good Job 👏
@TheGmr140
@TheGmr140 5 күн бұрын
😂😂😂
@nickp.4915
@nickp.4915 5 күн бұрын
not sure why there would ever be a feature called Super DX on a VHF\UHF radio that is NOT "all mode" to start with. Maybe I'm not the brightest "Ham" in the world but is FM a weak signal\DX mode? Are we trying to make it into one? I have never one time in my ham experience thought to myself what kind of DX or weak signal can I go find in the FM mode where working without a squelch makes me want to rip whats left of my hair out by the white noise... What am I missing here? I'm open to be educated... I have literally been TRYING TO SPEND (and literally this drive for a new radio is why I watched this video, I'm still searching...) a $1K-$2K budget on a worthy VHF\UHF radio for three+ years... Just waiting for the right radio to come along. Closest radio so far to tick all the boxes is the IC-9700, unfortunately the 9700 has no V\V U\U OR General coverage receive both of which are deal breakers at that price point. The Russian design "Wolf" radio is close and looks very nice and a few other Chinese radios almost fit the bill but severely lack in the VHF\UHF Transmitter\Amplifier sections to the point they are deal breakers too.
@larrynorris8775
@larrynorris8775 6 күн бұрын
sounds good to me you need to get your hearing checked....
@MisterTwister55
@MisterTwister55 6 күн бұрын
Hmm usually when one person hears something that the other person can't, it's the other person who gets their hearing checked.
@DurakeMe
@DurakeMe 6 күн бұрын
I think it has its use case, but I don't think it will be widely adopted. I remember Motorola had one called "Companding" - It's been a while since I've touched my 8000 and 8500, so I don't know if it's optional on the APX or XTS series but I do very much remember using it on their business series radios. Myself and a few of my friends actually had it enabled, it worked well on repeaters you're somewhat close to and you just didn't want to hear the static or random noise/flutter generated on VHF from nearby street lamps. It didn't sound anything like what this radio sounds like, I'd say this sounds more pleasant than what M had, more "digital" sounding like you mentioned in your first video about this. I'd say naming the feature "Super DX" is a bit misleading when you can hear stations better without it enabled lol.. Hopefully they release a fix for it where once the signal reaches a certain threshold it will deactivate, maybe potentially reactivate if the signal is above the threshold after x amount of time.
@MisterTwister55
@MisterTwister55 6 күн бұрын
Agreed 100%. I've messed with those settings in Motorola but I didn't find them useful there either. I remember getting weird artifacts there too so I never played with it again. You're spot on with the irony in the name - it works less well as the signal gets weaker. So like what's the point
@mediocreman2
@mediocreman2 6 күн бұрын
Definitely removing some of the good sound as well, but for strong signals a lot of people will really like the ASP.
@MisterTwister55
@MisterTwister55 6 күн бұрын
It definitely works better on strong signals for sure. But if the signal is strong, why use ASP?
@rash0401
@rash0401 6 күн бұрын
being a digital lover, the ASP sounds amazing. now to make a new digital capable WITH ASP for the analog side. may have to upgrade the shack
@MisterTwister55
@MisterTwister55 6 күн бұрын
I think you'll really enjoy it. You'll just have to be constantly turning it on and off if signal/audio quality of the other stations is fluctuating. This video shows it fails when the signal gets pretty weak. What I need to test next is when a signal is weak into a repeater but I can receive the repeater strong. That should be 100% audio processing there. Very interested to see the results.
@piquat1
@piquat1 6 күн бұрын
I was wondering if it would act this way. Digital works clean fairly deep into the noise then... poof, gone. :) Can't do the math anymore in there, somewhere, so it just drops out. Thanks.
@mediocreman2
@mediocreman2 6 күн бұрын
I like it. Still a lot more expensive than it's competitor, the IC-2730A. And a pretty basic screen. But I still like it. The reason people are calling it the 150RASP is because their digital signal processing is called ASP. So it's more like a 150R-ASP? Haha. Most likely it was their marketing team that wanted to make sure that people knew there was something special about these, although from what I've seen and heard so far, it doesn't sound very good and can make the voices sound worse at times.
@EricFullwood
@EricFullwood 3 күн бұрын
The 2730 is not in the same category
@ErikTheVikingMechanic
@ErikTheVikingMechanic Күн бұрын
​@@EricFullwoodWhat category is 2730? I'm genuinely asking as I am undecided Yaesu 150 for £350 or 2730 for £200 but it's a 10 years old radio
@straightpride451
@straightpride451 6 күн бұрын
She's very annoying and bossy. Welcome to the dork net.
@MisterTwister55
@MisterTwister55 6 күн бұрын
lol you should have seen this net when it first started in spring 2020. It was even more rigid with more word diarrhea. It was cleaned up quite a bit in the meantime. It's really just a place to test your station and check propagation. It isn't good for information or chatting
@gtretroworld
@gtretroworld 6 күн бұрын
I think having it is definitely useful in certain circumstances. Is there no graduation on the reduction or is it just on or off?
@truckinguy92
@truckinguy92 6 күн бұрын
No brand loyalty. Using a Kenwood to cross band to a Yaesu. 😮
@14DFASniper
@14DFASniper 6 күн бұрын
Nothing wrong with that. Sounds great!
@YaesuUSAOfficial
@YaesuUSAOfficial 6 күн бұрын
Please feel free to reach out to us for full education on the feature.
@MisterTwister55
@MisterTwister55 4 күн бұрын
Feel free to email me any pertinent information. My email is on my qrz page.
@JustinPriami
@JustinPriami 7 күн бұрын
Is the superdx & the asp turned on simultaneously? Or are they separate functions? On my ftm 500 superdx is like a rx preamp sorta. But i see asp come on when you hit the button. So I wonder if it's not the asp feature causing the issues more than the superdx.
@wdsracer
@wdsracer 7 күн бұрын
Has anyone done the mars mod on this radio yet?
@MisterTwister55
@MisterTwister55 6 күн бұрын
@@wdsracer I haven’t heard anything about it yet. Idk what it is on the 500 but I bet it’s the same
@mediocreman2
@mediocreman2 7 күн бұрын
Thanks for this video. I watched another video on this unit where the dials were rotating elliptically. So it seems like this radio is not quite worth the price. It's $100 more than an Icom competitor. I was thinking about snagging the FT-3185RASP, but it doesn't really make sense even with the 85 watts.
@MisterTwister55
@MisterTwister55 7 күн бұрын
@@mediocreman2 the 3185 doesn’t make sense to me at the price point. 85w is not terribly different than 60w. The 150 is an incredible value though and not just when you compare it to the 3185. The legendary 8800 was $400 20 years ago. The Icom 2730 is probably the only other good analog dual band radio right now. I have used both Yaesu and Icom extensively over the years and this Yaesu is worth the extra money.
@paulmitchell4421
@paulmitchell4421 7 күн бұрын
apparently there is a group or perhaps a generation of people now who don't mind the under water artifacts as long as hiss is reduced, I think those people grew up listening to highly compressed "music" of today with no dynamic range and that's why they're warped. personally I'd never trade noise for digital artifacts and dmr audio makes me queezy
@MisterTwister55
@MisterTwister55 7 күн бұрын
@@paulmitchell4421 this is true! I don’t mind a little compression and noise cancellation but I’d rather it be on the transmitting audio not the receive. I have my apx portables set to completely cancel out any noise in the background and it’s amazing. This asp is not
@geoffreysmith511
@geoffreysmith511 7 күн бұрын
I totally agree with your assessment, I've had my FT-3185R ASP for a week or so & I am very disappointed in the ASP!
@MisterTwister55
@MisterTwister55 7 күн бұрын
@@geoffreysmith511 I came in with 0 expectations. It performs exactly like the initial Yaesu demo video. Not for me
@mikesawyer1336
@mikesawyer1336 7 күн бұрын
OMG wow I love that new ASP feature. I very much enjoy the DMR robotic sound - over static. This is a huge step forward. However, I can see there are some oddities.
@MisterTwister55
@MisterTwister55 7 күн бұрын
Haha enjoy that audio then 😊 I like digital modes but not for the audio - rather for the features that come along with it like noise cancellation, TDMA, talk groups, etc.
@mikesawyer1336
@mikesawyer1336 7 күн бұрын
@@MisterTwister55 LOL. In reality I have hearing issues and the digital registers better with my brain than any underlying hiss.. I think this may work great for me. So that's the story! Have a good day.
@mandytuning
@mandytuning 7 күн бұрын
Have to bring down the squelch on low signal with the super dx. Like with any filter you have to play with it.
@calbrabandt5967
@calbrabandt5967 5 күн бұрын
Yes--for barely or partially intelligible signals, I'd like to hear examples with the squelch open. I've heard other examples on YT where I came to the conclusion that very poor signals are further compromised by ASP and copy is better with it off! I'll know more after my FT-3185R ASP arrives but, from what I've heard on YT, I wish I could've snagged an FT-2980R at the far lower closeout price!
@sramsdellwdm
@sramsdellwdm 7 күн бұрын
I would say maybe some squelch adjustment would help
@MisterTwister55
@MisterTwister55 7 күн бұрын
@@sramsdellwdm maybe. The squelch was open such that I could hear the signal 100% fine when ASP was turned off. Yaesu claims ASP increases sensitivity so the squelch shouldn’t have to open more. I think all the processing occurs on the audio side but I’m not sure yet. The ASP almost is a squelch of sorts but for audio. If the audio signal gets too close to the noise, a gate kicks in and shuts it down completely. Adjusting this squelch would help
@1912rider
@1912rider 7 күн бұрын
and that is my chief complaint with digital, it's either there or it's not where with analog you might be able to pick out important information that might be way down in the noise. I'm sure that the 150R ASP is a fine radio, but did we amateurs really need that funky new digital signal processing? Nope. Yaesu could have left that circuitry out and dropped the price $10 of $15
@mediocreman2
@mediocreman2 7 күн бұрын
I bet they could drop the price more than that because they're marketing it as being worth more to. The nearest competitor, the ICOM 2730a is significantly cheaper.
@trevorputterill
@trevorputterill 8 күн бұрын
Just add a BHI unit
@paulmitchell4421
@paulmitchell4421 7 күн бұрын
yes! bhi is superior and doesn't damage intelligibility
@dakotafalz19
@dakotafalz19 8 күн бұрын
Mine works just fine
@Hero1395
@Hero1395 8 күн бұрын
real fine
@aerofart
@aerofart 8 күн бұрын
The NR on that rig seems to work in a very similar fashion to my FTdx10. The algorithm needs to have enough signal to work with in order to figure out what is signal and what is noise. On the dx10 it works great under good signal conditions, but mostly I leave have it set off or at levels of 1-3 (out of a maximum of 9 levels, I believe) to achieve useful/tolerable results.
@MisterTwister55
@MisterTwister55 8 күн бұрын
I concur with your findings. My problem is people are thinking it's going to help them pull in weak signals. No, just no. It works worse on weak signals.
@paulmitchell4421
@paulmitchell4421 Күн бұрын
@@MisterTwister55 Exactly! audio dsp is bad on marginal signals, human brain is an order of magnitude superior.
@Tokyo1991.JL1AJE
@Tokyo1991.JL1AJE 8 күн бұрын
If you had a choice of a mint/unused quad band cross band repeat FT-8900 or this new rig, for a similar price which would you go for? Both rigs have the super DX function (or whatever it’s called). Not much FM action on 6m/10m but nice to have if you want to x-repeat. But then this new rig has some modern digital noise reduction. Stuck between a rock and hard place.
@evrenozcoskun7988
@evrenozcoskun7988 8 күн бұрын
Hello, could you please introduce the contents of the ftm150asp box? What parts come in the box? thanks
@novawarningsirens
@novawarningsirens 8 күн бұрын
I know this comment is late but are these setup for non affiliate or are you able to legally affiliate with the system?
@W4KWS
@W4KWS 8 күн бұрын
Great I love this radio already listening to the guys in Cuba
@MisterTwister55
@MisterTwister55 8 күн бұрын
Me too! Well I don't hear anyone in Cuba but I love it so far.
@MikeBarta208
@MikeBarta208 8 күн бұрын
Thanks for the video, curious to see how this is going to do with weak signals. I just got my FTM-150rasp hooked up last night, and I have seen similar results as you on repeaters. On a 2m simplex net last night and S-DX(ASP) did make a huge difference... this is based on my EXTENSIVE one night and 15 minutes of testing weak signals. 😜 Thanks again for sharing! 73
@14DFASniper
@14DFASniper 8 күн бұрын
From your testing it appears that the Asp function works well if there is already a good signal present. I just bought 2 of these radios and a FTM-500 and have not even taken them out of the boxes yet. Overall I think these 150's are real nice full dual band radios that have come into the market. Perhaps these are not what was marketed as "pulling out the weaker signals" . But it still is an excellent feature that improves enjoyment even if it works best on good signals that I'm likely going to have >85% of the time anyways. If you want to sell it - let me know I might find another go kit to stuff it into.
@MisterTwister55
@MisterTwister55 7 күн бұрын
I love the radio so far. It’s everything I want in a dual band and nothing more (if you ignore the asp function. I don’t see myself using it whatsoever. Too bad I can’t remap that button to something else)