omg lorimbo and hart on youtube shorts, big fan

also brood war lurkers are fucking awesome. I never watched or played much lotv but I suspect the issue with sc2 lurkers is that they gave them too much range. sc2 lurker = 10 range, brood war lurker = 6 range.

i like how wc3 does siege units. theyre generally weak units that are rarely built but they are still there to serve a purpose when needed.

Seems like it kinda has similar problems to Disruptors. In small numbers, they're easy to dodge or jump them. In higher counts, they turn into "the ground is lava". While the idea of a slow attack you can dodge seems straightforwards, and provides a distinction of outcome via micro, there's the risk of super binary outcomes, depending on how easy one is able to dodge. Something like Storm is almost always going to do some damage, and micro let's you mitigate some of it. Disruptor balls might do damage, or it can whiff completely, no middle ground. But because Protoss needs Disruptors to do splash damage, >30% hit rate still needs to be effective, so it needs to do a lot of damage. But then when Protoss gets into a position to get 80% or more Disruptor hits, annihilation ensues. I think there should be a consideration during design into how reliably one expects to do max damage out of a unit, and more middle grounds allowed instead of binary effects. Like, maybe a projectile has lower damage, but can reliably hit, then has an avoidable DOT. Or, the projectile has partial tracking, so if you're moving, the AOE will do less damage.

Around 22:00 u guys talked about how the lurker is like an aggressive seige tank. Did the MS nerf just kill the point of the unit? Also how do u beat yone and briar as khazix. Briar just heals her full hp bar and yone just oneshots me before I get close

Just from the title I know im going to enjoy it. New helborne art looks like a big improvement. Also fuck the tories

where spotify? :dionasob: :hartpls:

new episode lets go!

hello hart hello lorimbo

Haven't watched yet. Cant tell by the title if zerosleep means he sleeps because ZS is boring, or he has zero sleep beacuse hes playing too much ZS

😃 *Promosm*

u guys should use the downtime to expand ur minds and play the TA family of rts games B)

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Doesn't this just insta lose to hedgehogs?

I almost feel like the terrible map pool is intended as an "I told you so" from every pro ever that's tried to distinguish "unique maps" from "garbage maps" to reddit or whoever and gotten nowhere

I think its better to place 2 shroudstones on the left as you did and the other 2 just next to them on the low ground. So I have more space on the ramp and they are stupidly attacking the low stones while I can blast them with hellbornes. Great build btw. Alreday won couple of games with i.

wow they nerfed widow mines, not gonna play terran anymore...

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Are you tired of losing to imba Infernal? Do you toss and turn in your sleep dreaming about those gaunt drops? Today Lorimbo shows you new nightmare fuel that will make you grateful the beta ends in 3 days! Really cool video, nice to see some infernal insight.

i know it is the end of beta, but would be nice to have some of the commentary while you are playing vs. real opponents:)

fighting~

Vault first? Blasphemy. Never do this its bad..... >.> Sincerely, Vanguard who hates dealing with fast fiend scout / brute openings.

1:24:03 This part reminds me of the commentator at Katowice talking about how Serral remembered one off ladder matches against him months later. His memory must be off the charts, reminds me of seeing chess gm’s recognize games just from boardstatee.

Where can we read the zerospace write up?

goat youtuber

I like how u explained the lancer to people who dont play stormgate, makes it really easy to understand. From what i got from the video, vanguard can just mass K'sante units and you cant do anything about it. But lilipadd (aoe3 GM) told me that weavers counter lancers. What do u think about this lorimbo?

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Keep it up guys 💪🏼

I just belive mutas should be faster

I don't think the game is gonna be impossible to balance with "overpowered" unit abilities, but it might be a lot harder and debatable how fun that would be to play in an RTS.

Good post

Also I've been told it does bonus damage vs Structures for some reason, and I just am very perplexed as to why they felt that was a necessary addition to a unit that already does all these different things. Why should a skirmisher/tank also kill bases fast? Makes no sense to me.

One of the biggest problems I find with the Lancer is that it starts with 4.5MS which is already significantly higher than anything Infernal has on the ground except the Fiend. And then you get the upgrade and it gets even FASTER. The Zealot in SC is balanced by the fact that before you get the upgrade it can be kited by literally every ranged unit in the game, so it can only tank and then later the upgrade turns it into a much more versatile unit. Lancers right now feel a little busted even without the upgrade. I think nerfing it to be around the same speed as the Gaunt would do a lot to make it feel less oppressive, although even with that I feel like the passives require a bit more tuning. Also I hate how cheap the Biokinetics Lab costs, it's dumb that you can build one get the upgrade you want and then sell it with only minimal opportunity cost. Getting these sick upgrades needs to be more of a commitment.

Thank you for sharing such a detailed perspective on this. I feel like even the top progamers have such a rudimentary sense of game design, and often know very little about the mechanics of the game.(I remember hearing that Reynor didn't even know how much damage lings do, guessing something crazy like 10 dmg) It's really refreshing to hear from someone who knows what they are talking about. Please make more of these, would be curious as to your perspective on the Hornet as well as more general concepts such as the creep camps.

The wordle games day was hype

Thanks for keeping us up to date on stormgate! Can't wait till I can actually play again.

Lowkey i think the strength of the infernal came from the bugs like mag stomp and such so this patch imo is a huge infernal nerf (i accept lol 60+ win rate is crazy) but idk how much was early pressure w/ goats and now that we in a way lose some anti air with mag stomp it kinda just feels opressive to play against vangards ground or air armes

I think the problem with Hornets is the general lack of (strong) AA. Air units being speciality/support is fine, but if there's nothing that kills them then they just become annoying core units.

Why is there a shaven rat at the bottom left of the thumbnail????????????????

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Fun stuff!

I love the dynamic between you two. Fun game thanks for the content guys!

Good Stuff, keep it up

cant wait for special guest Avilo

gametime not vid time --- 0:00 imp 0:09 conclave skip 2nd worker 0:22 iron forge constant imp production 0:38 put imp on therium 1:00 bring 1 imp to mine 2 trees and then have them wait by 2nd creep 1:10 build gaunt and wait for brute 1:12 meat farm 1:23 build brute 1:30 2nd imp in therium 1:35 attack 1st creep 1:46 build gaunt 1:57 kill resource camp and have imp break the 2nd creep tree then go home 2:02 build brute 2:22 build gaunt 2:24 2nd base 2:35 meat farm 2:38 brute 2:40 scout opponent with 1 fiend, rest takes vision camp. if they are greedy (has 3rd) kill it 2:55 gaunt 3:00 add 2 imps to therium for a total of 5 imps then rally to 2nd base ~3:05 can return home for safe play. can get turret if they are aggro at home 3:47 meat farm 3:47 ~ 4:00 cut production to get greater shrine from here you can extend an all in shroud storm manifestation or do a drop (5 gaunts, 1 brute, 1 fiend) 4:30 load doombringer (drop) if you choose to do it can transition into magmadons 6:00 could take 3rd base --- Could you do a IvV video?

Why not cut the tree, go on the other side, kill the resource camp (or not) and make a choke with the brute with second gaunt comming from behind?

Thats basically the order I figured out as well. The significant difference is that I take the resource creep first so that I have one more unit before clearing the speed camp. Also, taking the expansion at the top left corner instead of the natural since the enemies so far at the lower MMR don't bother to check the corners.

I managed to kill the speedcamp without losing the brute in one of my games, should i split it to gain fiends as the lack of flowers make it have very low hp & might get infested?

IvV is very similar to how TvZ has been for years. Not in playstyle, but if the Terran doesn't do damage/win early and it goes to lategame it's very Zerg favorite