before wellston was lost looks like its on its way
@KingSlimjeezyАй бұрын
I wonder if they knew how much uranuim dust they were inhaling. lol no of course they didnt
@farmhand65243 ай бұрын
Many familiar sites, amazing how comforting to relive
@DougVarble3 ай бұрын
No sound🎉
@billyalonzo4063 ай бұрын
I remember i got to ride on one of the trolley cars back in the early 60 It was something i will never forget Don't know where i was going Are where i wound up at I remember the sounds of the wheels going down the tracks
@Howard20065 ай бұрын
I remember as a child going on the streetcar to the University City Loop where the streetcar would turnaround and return to the City.
@tinkmarz16 ай бұрын
At 75, born and raised on the east side (Granite City) I well remember the streetcars. I've heard and read that the streetcar system in St. Louis was shut down in St. Louis in 1958, except for the Hodiamont line, which was taken out in 1968 (?). But in these clips I'm seeing autos from the early 60's. My older sister, who graduated from high school in 1961, soon after got a job at one of the big banks in downtown St. Louis. She recently told me she used to take the streetcar to work. What is it about "historians" of St. Louis that they don't have their facts right...??? That having been said, thanks much Mr. Saxton for these wonderful clips that show what a marvelous city St. Louis used to be, and could be if only we had competent city leadership. Thankfully, many young urbanists (and some developers) have (and are) moving into the city and have turned and are turning neighborhoods around to desirable and safe neighborhoods .
@sharonw24756 ай бұрын
I remember riding in those street cars back in the mid/late 1950's, and I always thought they were rough riding. Lived at 4529 North Market, right across the street from a large Catholic Church, (or Cathedral), sorry but I don't remember the name as I'm 80 now.
@annarowden94576 ай бұрын
My grandpa drove a streetcar and later went to work for the post office. I still have his black box with a blank timecard in it. Then my Uncle George was one of the last drivers. Family said when he retired, so did the streetcars.
@chriscarroll82236 ай бұрын
That stations still there on the Rock rd and Jennings station. You can get anything you want right there from buttons to crack.....
@mrtweedy7056 ай бұрын
I rode on that type of streetcar when I was about 4 in 1957 with my mom. We lived in Alton Illinois but has friends in St. Louis. Don't know what line it was that we rode. There were streetcars in Alton but I don't know if this is the type or if I ever rode one there. But I remember these type because they basically looked just like a bus but had only one light.
@WAL_DC-6B10 ай бұрын
Thanks for the #14 PCC streetcar line ride and for sharing! Besides the trolleys, I really like seeing the period vehicles on the streets when many of them were fairly new.
@edrarsosa538310 ай бұрын
Hello, any chance I can use this footage in a small true Crime documentary I am working on. It is not on this topic at all but from this era.
@cliffsaxton210110 ай бұрын
I'd rather not. But thanks for your interest.
@edrarsosa538310 ай бұрын
Hello, any chance I can use this footage in a small true Crime documentary I am working on. It is not on this topic at all but from this era.
@cliffsaxton210110 ай бұрын
I'd rather not. But thanks for your interest.
@johnwhitfield10610 ай бұрын
It really is amazing how much character St. Louis has lost over the past 70 years.
@brushcreek4211 ай бұрын
What an interesting ride! Wish I could have been there.
@Test-vl1ib Жыл бұрын
Cool to look at this compared to Google Street View today. It was once a living breathing city. Now it seems largely abandoned in the same places. Too bad.
@stephens7107 Жыл бұрын
Wow, I realized that the intersection was DeBaliviere and Delmar where the tow by 165 was taking place. So the current BiState service center replaced an old one at that site. I always wondered.
@cliffsaxton2101 Жыл бұрын
The DeBaliviere carbarn was huge. The brick building which still stands at the southwest corner of the intersection was an electrical substation for the streetcars.
@55pilot Жыл бұрын
In the 1950's I took 6 bus going's t0 and from high school, I took the Grand Avenue streetcar many times to go to South St. Louis. This video sure brings back happy memories.
@argopunk Жыл бұрын
These are great videos. Lately, I've been checking out vintage streetcar line films and comparing the streetscapes to how they look today on Google View. Quite a contrast in St. Louis, but it looks as though they've been working on bringing the downtown back to life again. The area around "The White Mill" looks gone for good, but you never know.
@kentonkloos3490 Жыл бұрын
Great vid, Cliff. The opening 2 or 3 minutes...which road(s) were those, and what direction? I recognized the last 4 minutes or so as the line down Forest Park Expressway. That wasnt the U City line. But great vid. Thank goodness you preserved this stuff . It looked like the final bit was the Line southbound on Central in Clayton, going over the Rock Island .
@cliffsaxton2101 Жыл бұрын
Glad you liked the video. The opening shots are northbound along Central in Clayton, then east on Pershing. The last 4 minutes or so are, indeed, the University-Clayton/University line westbound on private right-of-way toward Skinker, along Millbrook and Pershing, then, yes, southbound on Central and across the old Rock Island right-of-way.
@kentonkloos3490 Жыл бұрын
Thanx for the clarification. Im guessing that the stub deadend track at Wallinca was the old line that either went east on Wydown , or west towards Ladue city hall....?
@cliffsaxton2101 Жыл бұрын
@@kentonkloos3490 One stub end of the "Y" was the line that went east down Wydown, the other to Kirkwood.
@Paintslinger49 Жыл бұрын
Back to the future…
@mikebudde2570 Жыл бұрын
I am so glad people took time to take photos and shoot video back then!! Thank you, Cliff!!
@kentonkloos3490 Жыл бұрын
O baby, very schweet! Love the creativity with the camera between the rails, and the pacing vid of 1793 and 1636! And the you braved the snow and low temps to get nice snow vids. Was that a windup camera, or batteries? Was that footage in Clayton of the Central bridge over the Rock Island RR? Then down to the Wallinca loop it looked like. Great stuff, thanks.
@cliffsaxton2101 Жыл бұрын
Glad you liked the video. I have very fond memories of that line. I used a wind-up Kodak camera in those days. And yes, that was the Central bridge in Clayton. I also filmed the destruction of that bridge, which was sad. As for the camera between the rails, the motorman of the oncoming car wasn't real sure about it/me and slowed down, but when I waved him on, he continued over the camera.
@kentonkloos3490 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing! I was about 6 years old when my mom & grandma found out the streetcars were going belly up, I they took me down to ride it, since I loved anything on rails. I especially like the footage from the cab! Perhaps if it wouldn't be too difficult, add narration to identify the more obscure locations. Great job! Love to see footage of the Creve Coeur Lake and Kirkwood lines if you know if any film exists.. thanx again.
@cliffsaxton2101 Жыл бұрын
Unfortunately, I was too young to photograph the Creve Coeur and Kirkwood lines, although I recall as a child riding out to Creve Coeur aboard a "Peter Witt" car shortly before the line was abandoned.
@kentonkloos3490 Жыл бұрын
@Cliff Saxton oh how cool! Abandoned 73 years ago. Im guessing you too have the Andrew Young streetcar book , I just finished it. The CC line was a favorite for most. My friend Gary n I hiked the old Mo Pac Creve Couer line back in 1995 over 3 days. They're still some bridge culverts remaining N of Litzinger Road and west of Lindbergh. Love to see some old photos of that line if you know anyone that has em. Email me back if you do, or want to get together and do some streetcar line archeology on some of the lines, Ill drive.Kk
@Ponchoed2 жыл бұрын
The Hodiamont in 1966 must have been among the last streetcar lines to shut down in the US. Just Pittsburgh, El Paso and Philadelphia after?
@cliffsaxton21012 жыл бұрын
I'm fairly sure streetcars were also still operating in cities that included Newark, San Francisco, Cleveland, and Boston into the late 1960s and beyond. Boston still has one 2-mile line served by the same basic type of "PCC" streetcars St. Louis had.
@Ponchoed2 жыл бұрын
@@cliffsaxton2101 Sorry I should have clarified, I was referring to streetcar lines that would shut down... Pittsburgh lost a bunch of surface lines in the 60s, El Paso shut down its one line in 1974 and Philly shuttered a handful of lines up to 1992 including the 15 and 23. Yes, there were a small handful of cities that retained streetcars through the dark ages but some of these systems still retracted as mentioned above. Anyhow what I was getting at is that this line was kind of at the tail end of the closures, most of the damage was done in the 1940s and 1950s. Maybe if it could have made it a bit longer it might have still been with us today, then again these neighborhoods adjacent did go into a tailspin.
@jamie498682 жыл бұрын
I love these. Just wondering if you could include a street map to show the lines. I don't recognize most of them due to time and/or changes.
@cliffsaxton21012 жыл бұрын
Google St. Louis Streetcar Map and you'll find images which should help you.
@jamie498682 жыл бұрын
@@cliffsaxton2101 Too cool. I'm looking at some of the maps now. One of those things that make you say, "why didn't I think of that". We lived on McPherson, right at Walton where one of the lines tuned north, and I walk the old Hodiamont line a few times a year (not real inspiring, but interesting nonetheless). These should be fun to study and figure out where we are at in your vids. Peace Brother.
@cliffsaxton21012 жыл бұрын
@@jamie49868 If you have a specific question about a scene, I'll try to answer it. And if you haven't done so, you might check out my other trolley videos -- not great quality, but the best this 15- to 20-year-old could do. The ride on the University-Clayton line has shots on McPherson and Walton, if I recall correctly.
@jamie498682 жыл бұрын
Wellston was jumping. I walk the old Hodiamont line on occasion...I hear they are going to make an official trail. Seems like yesterday, if you are still alive to remember.
@WAL_DC-6B2 жыл бұрын
Was #165 preserved by any chance?
@cliffsaxton21012 жыл бұрын
After streetcar service ended, all four pieces of work equipment remaining were donated to the National Museum of Transport in Kirkwood, Missouri. I presume #165 is still there.
@WAL_DC-6B2 жыл бұрын
It really does look like you're going down an alley with two sets of rails on the Hodiamont line. Nice footage of St Louis period streetcars. Thanks for sharing!
@KidTeachU2 жыл бұрын
i love these streetcars
@vancepomerening47942 жыл бұрын
Tres cool! Thanks for the Wes Montgomery, almost makes me want to pick up the guitar again.
@stephenrichie46462 жыл бұрын
I rode that line only once as I recall, early ‘60s. Much of that streetscape is unfamiliar. I’ll need to dig out my system map and reacquaint myself with the route.
@luislaplume82612 жыл бұрын
More air pollution for Saint Louis in 1966 by those diesel buses.
@luislaplume82612 жыл бұрын
The 1600 series of these trolleys were built in 1941 and was the first fleet to have Oval standee windows above the regular side windows.
@robertschaefer32233 жыл бұрын
This makes up for never getting to ride on a St. Louis Streetcar. My Dad promised to take me sometime, but never got around to it. It would have been scary standing in the street to board!
@hatzlmike13 жыл бұрын
Know lying union comm democrats killed all of this
@lewlewis89703 жыл бұрын
My father took me to ride on the last streetcar on the last day of service. I wore my boy scout uniform and I got to ride free. My dad had to pay LOL. But this was it. In WW2, my mother used to work right down there in a coffee shop and took this streetcar everyday. I went back there this past October 2021 and checked it all out. So different.
@matthill8683 жыл бұрын
It's nice seeing these streetcars.
@matthill8683 жыл бұрын
Beautiful footage.
@midwestgrammar29413 жыл бұрын
The west side looks so different back them. Everything looks so nice
@virginialpinon7483 жыл бұрын
I lived on Hodiamontline. We joked bout it going thru back alleys etc
@kennethjosephson1343 жыл бұрын
People called it “the back alley way.” 😎
@dianahohimer11073 жыл бұрын
Omg. My dad lived on this street as a child. His house was still there, last time I checked. He's 86, now. I can't wait to show him this. Thank you!
@robertc48263 жыл бұрын
so sad
@virginialpinon7483 жыл бұрын
I remember. I used to love it. Thru bk alleys and yards
@stephenrichie46464 жыл бұрын
I did not know the Hodiamont line was the last to go, and thought they were all gone by ‘63. I remember the Hodiamont right of way very well. My dad worked that line as a motorman in the 1940s.