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@ndcody
@ndcody 6 сағат бұрын
Microwave answers in a crockpot world is an absolute banger
@miprotera909
@miprotera909 10 сағат бұрын
The amount of cognitive dissonance in the comments is wild
@compositetiger
@compositetiger 22 сағат бұрын
Have you had any dead trigger issues? Also how often do you need to replace the long stroke guide rod and spring?
@VeloxTrainingGroup
@VeloxTrainingGroup 22 сағат бұрын
@@compositetiger never had a dead trigger. And I’ve never replaced that spring.
@TristanRiggsOfficial
@TristanRiggsOfficial Күн бұрын
🔥🔥
@AmicusAmici1125
@AmicusAmici1125 Күн бұрын
Awesome stuff guys! I switch between watching range and training content and podcasts featuring guys like Jamie so this is the best of both worlds. I caught Pranka’s interview with Jamey awhile back and he’s always such a great guy with a wealth of knowledge. Cheers from Florida! 🍻
@jamesdelong6401
@jamesdelong6401 Күн бұрын
Love this shit! 😎🤘. Now! Im 😎🤘 AMP UP! 🤘😎 ready to hit the range
@adamlock7384
@adamlock7384 Күн бұрын
Based on the name of the drill, I expected to see more punching.
@savagenez9584
@savagenez9584 Күн бұрын
Sell me your gbrs riser 🫡
@danhanus2294
@danhanus2294 2 күн бұрын
Thank you so much for doing this. Great off-season topic. The knowledge drop here is 100% I don't know if I am more or less motivated to buy Chinese duals... As far as high mounts, I am a huge fan of the unity flip to center magnifier. Otherwise, I wouldn't touch it.
@tfkhc37
@tfkhc37 2 күн бұрын
Nick put it like this, you can’t train to be an 18wheeler driver and then expect to drive like a F1 Le Mans driver. You gotta train with what give you the best possible outcome one for your use case. I’m 100% with you.
@miketappouni957
@miketappouni957 3 күн бұрын
What mag extensions do you use?
@VeloxTrainingGroup
@VeloxTrainingGroup 2 күн бұрын
@@miketappouni957 PMM
@privateprivate4315
@privateprivate4315 3 күн бұрын
I went to an ADM 1.93 and it helped my neck tremendously. Though I did see your quick video an out properly leveraging the shoulder up when the stick is seated.
@Masta_E
@Masta_E 4 күн бұрын
Big fan of the unity mounts, it isn't hard to learn your hold, allows traditional irons/has back ups built in depending on the model, isn't wild when day shooting and still easy to use with my pvs14 when needed. Would only recommend if you shoot both day and night though, otherwise lower 1/3 ands 1.93 are what I recommend.
@WarpathActual
@WarpathActual 4 күн бұрын
Even the Prussians considered it a requirement for infantry to spend at least 50% of their training time at night. Soooo, yeah, do what’s best for the NODs as a baseline… You do you boo. Not everyone is a square range IG bunny.
@therealjohnsmith4811
@therealjohnsmith4811 4 күн бұрын
You have been training on a flat range doing nothing but standing if this is your opinion. So many draw backs to a higher mounts when shooting any other position. Your argument about NODs is non-sensical in the reality of combat shooting. While you are passive aiming shooting too slow, your enemy is tagging you still using an IR laser. Try passive aiming from the prone with that high mount. Too funny.
@WarpathActual
@WarpathActual 3 сағат бұрын
@@therealjohnsmith4811 so how does activating IR lasers/illuminators help when you are ambushed by an enemy running passive? It doesn’t, it makes shit a lot worse for you. In fact in a close ambush, you are far better off just switching to white light and going hard and aggressive. Your ambush is far less effective against an opponent running nods if you are going to kick it off with IR before you take the first shot. In a close ambush against opponents with nods, you kick off with passive aiming, then switch to WL after the initial hit. You’re welcome. Or don’t. When someone starts shooting at you in the dark, feel free to start waving around IR trying to find a threat through your 40 degree field of view. It will work fine in the GWOT against an opponent without nods or WML’s. If you are going up against those skilled in passive, you’re gonna have a bad day.
@WarpathActual
@WarpathActual 3 сағат бұрын
And yes, ambushes involve a lot of static shooting in a concealed, perhaps covered position. How’s that for “square range”?
@therealjohnsmith4811
@therealjohnsmith4811 3 сағат бұрын
@@WarpathActual I can tell you have never run an actual ambush at night. Once you are loud, you are loud. A proper ambush is violent and ends quickly because the are allows minimal cover and the volume of fire is too intense for the enemy to overcome. When you are sitting there for hours on end waiting for the ambush to kick off, your neck is already fatigued from having to hold your head up from NODs. Once the ambush kicks off, with your most casualty producing weapon, you want to provide as much fire in the area as possible. The fasted way to do that accurately at night is with a laser. Passive aiming does not lend itself to rapid fire when you are laying on the ground and may have to shift left or right and trying to aim by lining up two soda straws. Same as CQB. Once you are load and muzzles are flashing, you want to get rounds on target as fast as possible. And the way to do that and maintain more SA is using a laser and not passive aiming where you are focused through an optic. Class dismissed. You may go now.
@therealjohnsmith4811
@therealjohnsmith4811 Сағат бұрын
@@WarpathActual And now I can tell you have never run an actual night ambush. Nice try though. Stick to video games. The more you say, the more embarrassing you become. The fastest way to get rounds on target at night is a laser, not lining up two toilet tubes. Lay in the prone with nods and a helmet for a few hours and let me know how your neck feels before you try passive aiming and shifting fire left or right. If you are in an ambush, the goal is to first get out of the kill zone if possible. Or, return as much fire back at the enemy as possible. The best way to do that under stress in a hurry is with a laser. It’s also easier for a PL / TL to direct fire with a laser rather than try to yell. IR light back at the enemy trying passive is a great TTP. Easily obscuring vision under nods when having IR light shined right at you. If the ambush is executed correctly, there is little chance of survival in the first place. Once you go loud, you are loud. Getting accurate rounds on target as fast as possible is the goal. Faster and more accurate to use a laser than it is to passively aim; especially in the prone. Class dismissed.
@InGratitudeIam
@InGratitudeIam 4 күн бұрын
You have some valid observations. An argument can be made for the Surefire Warcomp being clocked in a neutral position rather than for LH or RH use. And, if you like their suppressors, it makes for a proper host. However, what's really gay, in addition to constantly making stupid length jokes, is you not pronouncing "Vltor" correctly. Pretend that the letter "V" is really a "U." People in the know will respect you in the morning.
@VeloxTrainingGroup
@VeloxTrainingGroup 3 күн бұрын
@@InGratitudeIam triggered 😂😂
@definitelynotthea.t.f.8813
@definitelynotthea.t.f.8813 5 күн бұрын
Great info. I’ve always been of the opinion that high mounts are for specific type of shooting. Specifically CQB with short barreled rifles, or when using a laser aiming module. Obviously going out to distance with a higher mount is going to give you HOB issues with zeroing optics that have a BDC. If you have an LPVO with a BDC a 1.54” mount is optimal, that’s why a top dot for passive aiming is preferable when you need to shoot something close up when your main squeeze is set up for distance. But those BDC reticles are almost always set up for a 100 yard zero with 62 grain green tip out of a 16” 1/7 twist 5.56mm barrel. If that’s your jam then a BDC is great but use the right ammo for the BDC or learn mil radians and figure out your hold overs. That seems to be the general advice I have always gotten on the subject. Generally I avoid BDC reticles and go for Christmas tree mil radian reticles. That way I just need to know where my drops are for specific ammo, and I zero magnified optics at 100 yards. 300 BO I zero at 50 yards.
@bdmngs5884
@bdmngs5884 5 күн бұрын
I know this isn't actually about the Hydra, but I dislike the peq mount on that thing more than the optic mount.
@TheRealEricRose
@TheRealEricRose 5 күн бұрын
I would like a follow up video on this topic. Mainly for the comment section.
@VeloxTrainingGroup
@VeloxTrainingGroup 5 күн бұрын
@@TheRealEricRose it’ll be an entire podcast we plan on doing.
@TheRealEricRose
@TheRealEricRose 5 күн бұрын
@ you got people upset out here.
@VeloxTrainingGroup
@VeloxTrainingGroup 5 күн бұрын
@@TheRealEricRose 😂😂
@albertptran
@albertptran 5 күн бұрын
This is just an exaggeration and definitely not ideal or practical but MDT ran 20" risers on their bolt action rifles and made hits at 500 yd. I still believe that lower 1/3 has a lot of advantages like less math to deal with and keeps the gun more streamlined for lower chance of snagging on gear, etc. Now after wearing armor and/or extra 20-30 lb of gear though, I still find a riser more comfortable to work with because there's less tension and stress on my neck and shoulders muscles. Your results may vary. If height over bore is really an issue, I suggest running with an absolute co-witness mount like the good 'ol days
@albertptran
@albertptran 5 күн бұрын
Trust me, you don't want cheek weld on a blowback pcc. Your jaw will divorce you at the end of the day. Ask me how I know. But cheekweld on an ar15, I'm all for it
@albertptran
@albertptran 5 күн бұрын
All valid points on benefits of using lower 1/3! I just use a riser for a more consistent stance and ergos the same way I shoot a handgun. I definitely have to factor in more math though. Lower 1/3 would work great on my ar9 pistol but due to ATF and SB Tactical's flimsy pdw brace, there is no recoil control
@RJM1319
@RJM1319 5 күн бұрын
His opinion is objectively correct. I started with a 2.33 riser, went to the Raidworx 2.71, and never was able to get the results I wanted. Made all the excuses, tried fixing my shooting with cheek risers and brakes. That just masks the issue of a poor rifle connection. Dropped to a 1.70 and now would get the results I’m after. The magic is in the connection to the gun and the time you put in to shoot.
@tombarnes3240
@tombarnes3240 5 күн бұрын
Lamest thing I’ve ever tried to watch. Zero muscle mass beta warriors. The guy on the left is practically a woman.
@albertptran
@albertptran 5 күн бұрын
All valid points on benefits of using lower 1/3! I just use a riser for a more consistent stance and ergos the same way I shoot a handgun. I definitely have to factor in more math though. Lower 1/3 would work great on my ar9 pistol but due to ATF and SB Tactical's flimsy pdw brace, there is no recoil control
@Perkuhlerk
@Perkuhlerk 5 күн бұрын
Does your PMM BCD collab work with a standard AR? BP website says “PMM VELOX COLLAB BCD FOR AR15 & MCX” in the description but the title just says MCX. I’d be surprised one was made specific for a MCX when it’s full ambi already.
@IkfNorCalChamp
@IkfNorCalChamp 5 күн бұрын
How do you feel about having multiple rifles with different height mounts? I used to just have one rifle. 14.5 bcm with a lower 1/3 red dot. I felt like I became one with that rifle since I only used it exclusively. But when I got my 11.5 bcm I went 2.26. Now I don’t feel as confident with any one of them. I feel like I can’t bounce between different heights. It has to be all or nothing for me to feel one with the rifle.
@IkfNorCalChamp
@IkfNorCalChamp 5 күн бұрын
I like the unity 2.26 cause it lets me put my stock more in my pectoral muscle (straight under my right eye) This gives me an incredible amount of recoil control because when it’s in the pocket of my shoulder it’s not as stable. The 2.26 allows me to do that and not have to crunch my neck in a weird way to get behind the optic. And when I have the rifle right under my eye I feel like I’m more accurate. But I totally agree with all your points. I use a 2.26 on my 11.5 bcm and a lower 1/3 on my 14.5 bcm
@IkfNorCalChamp
@IkfNorCalChamp 5 күн бұрын
I like the unity 2.26 cause it lets me put my stock more in my pectoral muscle (straight under my right eye) This gives me an incredible amount of recoil control because when it’s in the pocket of my shoulder it’s not as stable. The 2.26 allows me to do that and not have to crunch my neck in a weird way to get behind the optic. And when I have the rifle right under my eye I feel like I’m more accurate. But I totally agree with all your points. I use a 2.26 on my 11.5 bcm and a lower 1/3 on my 14.5 bcm
@albertptran
@albertptran 5 күн бұрын
Experimented with the Lerna on my ar9 by doing headshots at 100 yd with a 25 yd zero. More height over bore for sure. I was more concerned with how 9mm arcs at distance vs 223 though
@bspraker1
@bspraker1 5 күн бұрын
Good breakdown of the subject.
@DaBigBR
@DaBigBR 6 күн бұрын
Comment section gives me AIDS. I don't know Nick and haven't trained with him, but when i saw the things he was capable of with a rifle, i started to listen. As soon as your capabilities are equivalent, your opinions on gear will be relevant
@mmike40451
@mmike40451 6 күн бұрын
Bringing out the butthurt. He’s not wrong with high mount I zeroed at 100 yds and it helped. I have since gone back to lower mounts. Neck issues going prone made me leave the high mounts behind. I did keep one gun set high. Maybe one day I’ll shoot with a gas mask.
@davelpz3340
@davelpz3340 6 күн бұрын
Chin welds are dumb. AK guys want lower mounts. For whatever reason this trend started on ARs which seems weird to me
@ghost2112_fpv
@ghost2112_fpv 6 күн бұрын
Lol next video; why triggers are stupid and pointless
@albertptran
@albertptran 5 күн бұрын
Yup lol
@loarmistead
@loarmistead 6 күн бұрын
Lower 1/3 Gang reporting in!
@TheJbower76
@TheJbower76 6 күн бұрын
I still use cowitness dot/irons. Eventually all the gun tubers will come and say........ Cowitness is where its at! Get this new high speed mount!!
@killyourself9475
@killyourself9475 6 күн бұрын
If your neck is bent forward, and you moving your shoulder to keep the stock in the " pocket "you need to raise the optic.
@MF_UNDERTOW
@MF_UNDERTOW 6 күн бұрын
How dare you?! I feel personally attacked. I just bought at Unity 2.26 mount for my AEMS because I thought it’s what all the cool kids on IG are doing. Actually I just prefer the ergonomics of having my head more upright, stuffing the stock into my peck/delt pocket and getting a chin weld. That being said, all of your arguments make perfect sense.
@boredvet
@boredvet 6 күн бұрын
High mounts are at best, for gas masks, night optics, thermals, etc etc. Lets be honest, the average gun cant afford that, let alone doesn't even go to the range as often as they should. Just do whatever your wallet can handle and what works best for you
@mtnbound2764
@mtnbound2764 6 күн бұрын
lets be honest, super high mounts just look stupid
@albertptran
@albertptran 6 күн бұрын
haven't had any issues with risers for the last 3 years of shooting
@Glade1321
@Glade1321 6 күн бұрын
What's your HF on a 50yd Bill?
@albertptran
@albertptran 6 күн бұрын
@ HF?
@albertptran
@albertptran 6 күн бұрын
@ i'm assuming hit factor. Right now my hit factor is 0 because bill drill at 50 yards will be a new drill for me. Would love to see more videos on that
@Glade1321
@Glade1321 5 күн бұрын
Yeah sorry, hit factor. The question isn't so much specific to a Bill drill, have you shot doubles at 50? The point Nick makes that I agree with is that it's hard to understand how bad you are at shooting when you're shooting your rifle at pistol distances. Until you get out to 30M and beyond and shoot your rifle very aggressively, you don't really understand whether your shooting style is effective or your setup works.
@albertptran
@albertptran 5 күн бұрын
@ oh right! Yeah in a few of my videos we are shooting rifle and handgun at 50 yards. I can tell you that it is not easy for me especially being constrained to 25 yard lanes so much standing. Most places charge extra by the hour just for us to shoot past 25 unfortunately so once in a blue moon we will pony up for that haha. Definitely a skill to master though and fun once we do hit a target
@mrbig5224
@mrbig5224 6 күн бұрын
Carry handle mount is the og optics riser, the way Eugene intended.
@h22mantis
@h22mantis 6 күн бұрын
What mods would you recommend for the match poly? Thanks
@skinnygirlstretchmarks
@skinnygirlstretchmarks 6 күн бұрын
i just lilke the look, thanks for the insight
@tennesseetuned
@tennesseetuned 6 күн бұрын
If you are using NVGs or gas mask high mounts are needed.
@Zvbosch
@Zvbosch 6 күн бұрын
Not at all. Have you tried it?
@ninertactics
@ninertactics 6 күн бұрын
whatever your gear, consistency is key, that being said, I gues Im a fudd now. I also advocate to get as much contact/get connected with your platform as much as possible.
@Annoyingdog37
@Annoyingdog37 6 күн бұрын
So i agree with many of your points, however disregarding a cheek riser and saying it’s an oxymoron then rolling into the 4 points of contact argument specifically about a cheek weld just puts a hole in your argument since a cheek riser is for the repeatability and the 4th point of cheek weld contact. Never heard of your channel before and you present some decent ideas, but i would revisit your script next time since there’s some conflicting ideas. In the end none of this matters if you train with your gear.
@The_urban_operator
@The_urban_operator 6 күн бұрын
What about running an acog zeroed to long distance and a piggyback red dot for short distances? I think that would solve these issues your referring to
@Glade1321
@Glade1321 6 күн бұрын
Really terrible idea. Hard to parse through in a KZbin comment. You definitely should give this video another watch because you failed to comprehend the premise. It's nearly impossible to shoot a rifle aggressively (at close or longer ranges) without good connection to the rifle. And with a piggyback optic you simply cannot get a good connection.
@Zvbosch
@Zvbosch 6 күн бұрын
@@Glade1321100% don’t know why people have to have magnification and want all the old gwot gear like the acog. You aren’t getting into a defensive shooting at 400 yards. Get good at practical shooting 0-100 yards.
@rhodycars6058
@rhodycars6058 6 күн бұрын
Cheek risers don’t make sense then you follow up by talking about points of contact holy crap buddy 😂😂😂
@nathanchappell1886
@nathanchappell1886 6 күн бұрын
I started shrugging my shoulder up and all of a sudden I could passive aim with lower dots without a problem. I can even get behind an Aimpoint pro without the spacer on my mp5 with little to no difficulty with NV too.