Things We Said Today #413 - Fab Five
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@mikeysaint4368
@mikeysaint4368 46 минут бұрын
Dear Boy is on Ram, not Dear Friend. Dear Friend is on Wild Life.
@gailg2327
@gailg2327 2 күн бұрын
No real solo Paul here, it’s gotta be Paul with Wings or collaborating with others. No appreciation or respect for solo Paul! Unbelievable, more often about the other guys when it comes to Paul’s music. A wonderful discussion nonetheless & just an observation.
@gailg2327
@gailg2327 5 күн бұрын
When it comes to Paul’s ‘One Hand Clapping’ they seem to focus on the negative peripheral issues as opposed to what is positive about his and the band’s music. No recommendation to see the movie, I don’t think. Sad episode, but they perk up when talking about John and George’s Mind Games and Living in the Material World, so that’s positive. Thanks.
@allankozinn192
@allankozinn192 5 күн бұрын
We said lots of positive things about the performance - for one, that it should help restore or supplement Geoff Britton’s reputation as a solid rock drummer, which we all feel is overdue. We may differ on what’s peripheral. Visual quality, for example, is not generally regarded as peripheral in a discussion of a film.A lot of people who know this film from bootlegs and from the DVD in the Band on the Run archive box were curious whether the video had been improved. And since it was screened only on 9/26 and 9/29, with no prospect of a general release, it would have been pointless to recommend going to see it - although I did recommend the Yellow Cow bootleg DVD, which is the best presentation of it available.
@gailg2327
@gailg2327 5 күн бұрын
@@allankozinn192 You all seemed so tired in this episode, or unimpressed or something, but thank you for your response. Paul gets dumps on in backhander ways and I am probably too sensitive to that. I’ve seen the movie and enjoyed it, despite its obvious flaws. Thank you.
@Dave49erman
@Dave49erman 11 күн бұрын
I just recently discovered your AMAZING show! I'm LOVING it! 🙂
@allankozinn192
@allankozinn192 10 күн бұрын
Thanks! Spread the word!
@MalEvansUSA
@MalEvansUSA 15 күн бұрын
Paul is a subpar baseball fan. The yankees? Lennon was a mets fan and his favourite player was Craig swan. He loved the mets Paul is a Lorne michaels guy and goes not for the baseball but to hang out with billionaires. He doesn’t know anything about baseball history. He also was seen eating two hot dog some vegetarian?
@mikeysaint4368
@mikeysaint4368 15 күн бұрын
"John said he really pushed for the Butcher Cover." Yeah, because John was a very reliable narrator, so it's obviously fact...
@mikeysaint4368
@mikeysaint4368 15 күн бұрын
An hour about John mumbling "You've got a lucky face." Bizarre.
@mikeysaint4368
@mikeysaint4368 16 күн бұрын
I'm guessing you meant Mrs Mills.
@mikeysaint4368
@mikeysaint4368 19 күн бұрын
Mark Lewisohn is far from unbiased. Close scrutiny of Tune In reveals Lewisohn perpetually giving Lennon the benefit of the doubt but failing to do the same for McCartney. It might be subconscious, but the Lennon bias is in Lewisohn's interpretations of events, not in the facts he has unearthed. We would be correct, I believe, to call him a great researcher but a flawed and uncommitted writer. It's almost 2025 now, and still volume two is nowhere in sight. Ken and the gang are hoping that 2020, five years from when this episode was recorded, would see the release of the second book, but it's becoming increasingly clear that Lewisohn is addicted to research and shuffling pieces of paper, and has taken his eye way off the ball. I'd be surprised if we get volume two before 2030, and that by the time volume three sees the light of day many, many eager Beatles fans looking forward to it will be long gone, including, potentially, Lewisohn himself.
@MercuriusHibernicus
@MercuriusHibernicus 20 күн бұрын
I'm mystified why any McCartney fan would be excited about 'One Hand Clapping' when they already bought it on DVD in 2010... or have they forgotten? Not a single comment in this show comparing the two officially released versions, bizarre...
@allankozinn192
@allankozinn192 18 күн бұрын
Not so bizarre - in terms of content they’re identical. And in terms of quality, it’s hard to compare the version in the BOTR box, generally seen on TV or computer size screens, with what was seen in the theater, although we did note that Wingnut films evidently tried to improve it (without tremendous success so far as we could see).
@mikeysaint4368
@mikeysaint4368 20 күн бұрын
The world really wasn't "hurtling towards disco" and therefore single-handedly ending careers, as Allan asserts here. This is often cited as being why certain acts faltered and declined between circa 1975 and 1980, but it's spurious. In the US and UK, the charts from those years were as diverse as ever. Disco was dominant, but New Wave, punk, pop, rock and a plethora of other styles rode high in the charts. Similarly, it's often equally erroneously claimed that punk (especially in the UK) made many older bands obsolete, but as the likes of Elton John, Roxy Music, ELO, Supertramp, Pink Floyd and a host of others showed, there was ample room for other types of material. If it was any good.
@t221000
@t221000 21 күн бұрын
I haven’t read Aaron’s book. However I had the honor of talking to him and his lovely 😊 wife at breakfast 🍳 at the fest for Beatles fans. ❤
@opticscolossalandepicvideo4879
@opticscolossalandepicvideo4879 21 күн бұрын
Linda and Denny were awful on harmonies here
@richbailey8174
@richbailey8174 21 күн бұрын
Sorry but today's show was kind of a snoozer....see ya next time!
@roccogammonesr.8755
@roccogammonesr.8755 21 күн бұрын
Got cancelled by Ringo going all the way to Philly from NY "Lets Go Mets" Hate seeing Paul @ Yankee games C'mon Beatles @ Shea....!
@t221000
@t221000 21 күн бұрын
When I turned 28 in 2018 I saw Ringo and the All-Starrs as a birthday gift and it was the best concert of Ringo ever. Kit O'Toole was there so that made it better. I love Colin Hay. Overkill is a masterpiece and I didn't know "Who can It Be now" before the concert. I also never heard of pick up the pieces before the show it was fantastic. Gregg Rollie and Steve Lukather were amazing. One Hand Clapping was amazing. The cabaret portion was fab. I love Suicide and I am upset it wasn't on the released album. It was lovely to see Linda talk about her process.
@roccogammonesr.8755
@roccogammonesr.8755 21 күн бұрын
I was there @ Flaming Pie night I won single CD versions of Young Boy & In The World tonight answering trivia Beautiful Night
@mikeysaint4368
@mikeysaint4368 21 күн бұрын
The longer Steve was a contributor, sad to say that the more nonsense he spouted, and the more puerile he became. It was good going back to listen to these old episodes for a while, but Steve increasingly began to lower the tone of otherwise articulate debate. The way he's shouting utter drivel in this episode is a case in point.
@lynnette2153
@lynnette2153 22 күн бұрын
I too wanted subtitles on the talking, I couldn’t understand most of it. (Or maybe don’t do it over music). I loved how involved Linda was, it made me happy to see her as a big part and not just being in the background to be told what to do. Highlight was the purity of Paul’s voice on Maybe I’m Amazed, but I noticed you could see Linda and Denny on backing vocals but could not hear them at all. Maybe they were not perfectly in key and were wiped off. Loved the relative surprise of seeing modern day Paul a few times too! (Watched people leave after the first credits rolled…uh oh…)
@davedillon1372
@davedillon1372 22 күн бұрын
Buddy Guy is 88 & still promoting the Blues as the last Real Deal Living. He used to be somebody who you could access; not any more unless you're lucky! I gently patted him on the back as he was walking around the crowd Playing to SF for a Free Stern Grove Show August 6th,2023. He's still wailing away but it's not a jolting to the core - literally put you Out Of The Seat- type of thing. He's a lot tougher than the Beatless people are or were
@opticscolossalandepicvideo4879
@opticscolossalandepicvideo4879 22 күн бұрын
It’s really not a good idea to touring 88. Ringo is not touring again he is too old😢
@MalEvansUSA
@MalEvansUSA 22 күн бұрын
Ringo is older than bingo Crosby and Frank Sinatra were when they went to heaven at 74 and 82 years old
@mikeysaint4368
@mikeysaint4368 15 күн бұрын
So you keep saying. Shut up.
@MalEvansUSA
@MalEvansUSA 22 күн бұрын
With ringos illness seeing a world without Beatles is becoming a reality. I think Paul should heed this warning and scale back in his recordings and concerts
@richbailey8174
@richbailey8174 21 күн бұрын
He won't. He's an adulation hound and simply can't/won't give it up.
@MalEvansUSA
@MalEvansUSA 20 күн бұрын
@@richbailey8174 he can’t sing. He is out of step out of tune and harming his legacy. He is older than dick Nixon when he died at 81. Paul is a joke
@MalEvansUSA
@MalEvansUSA 22 күн бұрын
The world in a few short years may have Pete best as the last surviving Beatles. That will be a sad day but I think the final Pete best lp ie ‘best of the best’ may be the greatest solo Beatles lp better than band in the run and plastic ono band Roag best the son of a fifth Beatle has an amazing voice.
@MalEvansUSA
@MalEvansUSA 22 күн бұрын
Ringo at 84 is older than Bob Hope was in 1988. He is older than Ronald Reagan was when he got diagnosed with Alzheimer’s. Older than President Nixon when he died at 81. Ringo is quite a feeble old man who has serious health issues. He should not be touring. He is suffering from a variety of serious ailments. He needs to slow down. He has a 40 year old grandchild for Christ sakes. Beatle fans needs to let him be he doesn’t need to come back next year. He needs to rest and watch his beloved matlock reruns and rest. He was a sickly child and still has health issues
@509cougs
@509cougs 22 күн бұрын
@@MalEvansUSA I think Ringo should do what makes him happy.
@MalEvansUSA
@MalEvansUSA 22 күн бұрын
@@509cougs appearing on stage at 85 is really unseemly and with his ill health should be home resting and watching his beloved matlack reruns
@davedillon1372
@davedillon1372 22 күн бұрын
​@@509cougsThat Guy- seems like a stalker with nothing better to do with the time. Ignore it.
@simplechronology2605
@simplechronology2605 19 күн бұрын
Feeble old man? Bet he could drop you.
@mikeysaint4368
@mikeysaint4368 15 күн бұрын
Have you nothing better to do than spam this comments section with your boring, inane thoughts?
@509cougs
@509cougs 22 күн бұрын
I missed my local showing of One Hand Clapping! I bought tickets a month ago, then forgot about it.
@gailg2327
@gailg2327 22 күн бұрын
Oh no!
@opticscolossalandepicvideo4879
@opticscolossalandepicvideo4879 22 күн бұрын
One hand clapping is so boring and out of date and done in such a horrid production quality. I don’t think you will miss anything
@gailg2327
@gailg2327 22 күн бұрын
@@opticscolossalandepicvideo4879 kinda mirrors the reception the panel gave it.But i am going to see it today and make up my own mind. Thanks.
@opticscolossalandepicvideo4879
@opticscolossalandepicvideo4879 22 күн бұрын
@@gailg2327 if you watched it once you will instantly forget it. It was 50 years ago and Geoff Briton wasn’t a very good drummer. Joe English was always first class
@allankozinn192
@allankozinn192 21 күн бұрын
You can have a look at it if you have the Band on the Run archival set - it's on the DVD, although they did attempt to clean up the video a bit more for the theatrical showing (and, presumably, the eventual DVD-Blu-ray)
@mikeysaint4368
@mikeysaint4368 24 күн бұрын
Around 9:00 The reason British acts were denied visas to play in America was because of the American musicians union, who started first with the Kinks, then broadened their scope. As a result, some rather forgettable (and long forgotten) US bands had their brief time in the spotlight, but American music generally was given more prominence in its homeland. Meanwhile, because of this embargo, British acts like the Kinks and Small Faces became very English, making concept albums about life in the UK, and singing with English accents. 1965 was indeed the most important year, because the fabric of that year - the hits - are what we came to know as rock, as opposed to rock-and-roll and pop. 1967 was revolutionary too, but it was a passing quirk in many respects. It spawned psychedelia on a larger scale, and led to prog rock, but far more bands would later embrace the core of rock music as heard in 1965 than the experimental and psychedelic sounds of 1967.
@GhostyTMRS
@GhostyTMRS 27 күн бұрын
On a side note, Frank Sinatra was very much involved in setting up and running Reprise records. He filled its roster with acts he personally enjoyed and/or was friends with, promising them creative freedom and a chance to ‘reprise’ their greatest work. By 1964 however he was done playing businessman so all the later rock acts on the label were not his doing.
@gailg2327
@gailg2327 Ай бұрын
Overall, a very skeptical review! Sadly!
@Abridgedpause
@Abridgedpause Ай бұрын
This was such an enjoyable interview, you 4 guys have a great rapport and all know so much about Dark Horse Records! I also loved the book!
@johnnyalegreworkplace8065
@johnnyalegreworkplace8065 Ай бұрын
Herb Alpert (A&M). He had no real interest in rock music. I resent how he stole away Lani Hall from Brasil 66 and bombed his way into Lani's solo records.
@kenmichaelsradio748
@kenmichaelsradio748 Ай бұрын
No real interst in rock music? How about Joe Cocker, Cat Stevens, Supertramp, Nazareth, Procol Harum, Peter Frampton, The Police, Styx, Joe Jackson...?
@chriscampanozzi6516
@chriscampanozzi6516 Ай бұрын
Gentlemen. Great information, as always. Thank you.
@mikeysaint4368
@mikeysaint4368 Ай бұрын
Paul's nadir, with only Pipes of Peace being worse.
@allankozinn192
@allankozinn192 Ай бұрын
Maybe you’re thinking of Press to Play. Far closer to his nadir than Tug of War, which many people regard as one of his best. But then, I know people who feel that about Press to Play too, and no doubt when I end up taking that album apart song by song and overdub by overdub, when we do Legacy Vol. 3, I’ll end up with a better attitude towards it. (I say that because that’s what happened when we analyzed Wild Life, which I would have said was his nadir only a few years ago, and which I now understand the point of). A
@JumpingBiz44
@JumpingBiz44 Ай бұрын
This is the first time I've heard someone claiming that Warner wanted specifically those 4 songs deleted from Somewhere In England. I wonder if this is backed by a written memo or someone who worked at the label? In my opinion, the deleted songs were some of the catchiest ones on the album. Hard to believe that the label would prefer Save The World and Baltimore Oriole over any of the four deleted ones. To me, it always seemed more logical that George went out of his way to delete the four quality songs out of spite or something.
@mikeysaint4368
@mikeysaint4368 Ай бұрын
So many talking points here, but having bought the US Albums box set about a year ago I've come to really like the US releases. Not as much as the official Beatles-approved albums, of course, but for their historical value and for the simple fact that they're another way to listen to the greatest band in history. I'm glad they don't have the Dave Dexter echo/reverb, because although that's how they were heard in North America in the 1960s, I just don't enjoy the big wash of unnatural reverb shrouding every song, often to the point of mushing up the clarity of the instruments and vocals.
@mikeysaint4368
@mikeysaint4368 Ай бұрын
A shame you only bothered doing quarter of an hour of a not very flattering "tribute" to Cyn, when far more peripheral figures in the Beatles story get much longer. You could have discussed so much, like John and Cynthia's time at Art College together, their long distance relationship via long, sprawling letters when The Beatles were in Hamburg, the various ways her life was improved but also negatively affected by John's fame and wealth, and explored how drugs alienated John from her, their trip to India, and then her post-John life. You make it abundantly clear that you are huge Yoko fans, so I'm guessing you avoided an in depth biography of Cynthia for that very reason, because you'd have then been obliged to dip into Yoko's stalking and other unsavoury character traits. Very disappointing not only in length, but how you make a point of how "ordinary" and even "thick" Cynthia was compared to the wonderful, arty and manipulative Yoko. When the latter dies, I'm expecting a three-hour fawning tribute with the negative aspects of her life either fully glossed over or only vaguely alluded to. Has May Pang ever been a guest? I assume not, even though she's all too happy to discuss her time with John.
@allankozinn192
@allankozinn192 Ай бұрын
This is a very old show recorded as a kind of spot news item just after Cynthia died. A great number of your assumptions are incorrect. We are not partisans in the Cynthia-Yoko-May story, simply observers of history. I’ve interviewed all three of them, and to the extent that I have an opinion, I like all three of them. Any comments about Cynthia that may have sounded negative - and you’re obviously not alone thinking that, although it was not our intention - we’re just meant to explain John’s perspective based on things he said. In terms of your expectation of what we do about Yoko when the time comes - yeah, no doubt it will be longer, because a) she has a body of work (plus an expansive reissue program) to discuss, and b) this is a significantly different show now, in pretty much every way, than it was when we did this quick response to Cynthia’s death.
@georgka74
@georgka74 Ай бұрын
what an outrageous evil discussion
@tomjbr
@tomjbr Ай бұрын
It was a pleasure to work with Aaron on the book. It was long overdue for this subject to be researched in more detail! By the way, I'm no expert on Ring O' Records. I don't even own one vinyl copy of any release. So hard to find them. I just barely started to study the discography but didn't go very far. I'm thrilled to hear that Aaron is going to cover it in a new Ringo book! Thanks again Ken for plugging all the Badfinger related releases on all your shows and website. - Tom Brennan
@debbiemessmer8973
@debbiemessmer8973 Ай бұрын
Great show!!
@mikeciresi3697
@mikeciresi3697 Ай бұрын
Great topic, I think that this will be a very good read and I am looking forward to it. On the subject of the US 1964 Mono boxset I had the same thought as Allan mostly and that is "Why wouldn't, Pepper, MMT be included"? Allan, the other difference on Pepper in mono was "She's Leaving Home" the pitch/tempo is different than the stereo release, do I have that right or was it only the 2014 release that was that way? The US Albums CD collection was the same way. I think that it would have been a much better idea to do the entire US mono releases like they did with the UK Mono vinyl/cd sets. I will say that I like the idea of the option to buy the US 1964 Vinyl to buy the titles individually. I get the "1964" concept but I would have preferred "A Hard Day's Night" box set instead and then the entire US Mono releases as a box set. Always a great time to watch TWST.
@BillGaliette
@BillGaliette Ай бұрын
What do George Harrison and Daniel Jones of the NY Giants have in common? They have both spent time lying in the grass on their backs contemplating their place in the universe
@christophertalbot9064
@christophertalbot9064 Ай бұрын
Loved Hot chocolate. Saw them live at Leeds university 1978. Brilliant band.
@ewingceramics758
@ewingceramics758 Ай бұрын
I'm so excited about that Ringo book! Always wanted to know more about that period.
@christophertalbot9064
@christophertalbot9064 Ай бұрын
Another great informative show. Thanks
@chriscampanozzi6516
@chriscampanozzi6516 Ай бұрын
Great information, as always. Thank you.
@mikeysaint4368
@mikeysaint4368 Ай бұрын
500 random celebrities, most of whom probably haven't got a Lennon or McCartney album in their collections. A worthless exercise, and with answers doubtless given based on what was considered the cool thing to say. Basically, you're getting people who have heard the Rolling Stone, Philip Norman and the official Lennon-Ono narrative. Paul McCartney's body of work, even by 1980, far outshone John's. Unfortunately, Paul didn't help himself with his early 1980s output, and that's what a lot of people remember. The extremely poppy stuff like Say Say Say, the sickly Ebony and Ivory, and the soft rock of the over-produced Tug of War album damaged him considerably. Those were commercially successful years in 1982 and 1983, but artistically they were an all time low.. John said he wanted to make experimental new music with Yoko and leave the confines of pop behind him. He actually did nothing of the sort. Plastic Ono Band was a stripped down autobiographical rock album, and the rest was overwhelmingly radio friendly pop-rock. STINYC had badly written lyrics with a political angle backed with a stodgy, sloppy rock band. As Al says, all of John's experimental leanings were done when he was a Beatle, usually with Paul's assistance. Finally, it's obvious from the above that I have a bias towards Paul, but at the same time I could make a very strong argument for John. It was only with the passage of time and with more knowledge that I veered more towards McCartney. For years, John was my man. However, the question is a fatuous one because both were absolutely amazing. Along with George and Ringo, they'll always be my all time heroes.
@mikeysaint4368
@mikeysaint4368 Ай бұрын
Enjoying these old episodes from the audio-only years. Steve Marinucci is missed these days. It's a shame he stood down. Ken's heated debates with Steve were always enjoyable. I still follow the show after all these years, with the chatty and spontaneous feel remaining intact.
@mikeysaint4368
@mikeysaint4368 Ай бұрын
An important detail isn't represented properly here. Henry McCullough wasn't from "Ireland", he was from Northern Ireland and therefore a citizen of the United Kingdom. He was also from a Protestant family, so his support for the message in the title of the song, Give Ireland Back to the Irish, shouldn't be taken for granted. With Henry's background, it's likely that his sympathies to the Nationalist cause would have been mixed at best, and quite probably hostile.
@gailg2327
@gailg2327 Ай бұрын
Fascinating musician! Thank you for giving Paul his due as a bassist's musician, so deserved! Wonderful episode and guest. Thx.
@mikeysaint4368
@mikeysaint4368 Ай бұрын
Steve seemed confused as to the purpose of a compilation. The point of them is to have a mixture of songs by an artist covering their career. That's it. Anyway, I think disc three is a misstep and could have contained much stronger material. If it had to exist as it is it would have made a better disc four, because people might skip disc four due to the declining quality on the third CD. I'd have also preferred the songs in chronological order. Mixing up older and newer tracks doesn't make sense. The Beatles 1962-66 and 1967-70 would have suffered severely if they'd just been chucked out in any old order as a four LP set, with the likes of Penny Lane next to Please Please Me, etc, etc. Anyway, these were the days, when Steve and Ken had their heated debates. Good times!
@BillGaliette
@BillGaliette Ай бұрын
I believe the “bag of feathers” that Alice Cooper threw into the audience was actually a live chicken that ended up on stage. Alice threw it back into the crowd. The audience proceeded to tear it apart, which began the myth, which Alice said he perpetuated for publicity sake, that he bit the head off a live chicken.
@allankozinn192
@allankozinn192 Ай бұрын
From what I can tell from the film, it was both. He had a bag of feathers, which was part of the show, but someone also handed him a live chicken, which he threw into the audience after the bag of feathers.