It boils down to competence of the surveyor. Been doing this type of work for years and I can tell you that RTK surveying is good enough provided standard guidelines are strictly obseved. Unfortunately, your suggested procedure wont work if you don’t have reliable and accurate baseline.

Really? You must be clueless about the work and the technology. Been doing this for thousands and thousands of hectares of work. I would think that we're doing just fine.

@@amdomag Sure.That is fine but i wanna note about time you spent for set database )

@@talehhuseynov4878 We must have a differing views or practice on how we undertake property stakeout. I always provide evidence in every point that I do in the field. I always make sure that every point is measured with a rested plumbed pole and with greater precision and accuracy. It is part of the evidence submitted to every client in a form of collected data. We stakeout the points and store all corresponding measured locations thus producing residual values. I don't do navigation work in stakeout survey. I do real stakeout.

Holding your pole vertically up by just holding your breath until the GNSS receiver measures the point is not my kind of thing.

@@amdomag Respect

Using RTK in relocation isn't accurate. It'll give you more error. Total station is less error than RTK.

Been doing relocation for 5 years in 30 hectare lot. Traverse much more difficult. In part of using RTK, much reliable in Topography

When repeatability is there then that is precision. When accuracy is there then that is good. When it has to be right then precision and accuracy should be in place. It can only be achieved when you have the competence, you exactly know what you're doing, and you're equipped with reputable tools and equipment.

@@fredericknaranja7351 How do you know that RTK in general is not accurate in relocation survey work? We're doing it with highly accurate results. Relocation survey work is not a straightforward thing. It initially requires the mapping component. You should first undertake map projection process. The coordinate system employed during ground survey of the lot parcel you'll be relocating shall be transformed to a reference frame you'll be employing during RKT stakeout. If you don't know exactly what you're doing in the field during RTK stakeout, no doubt you'll be getting disparity of results but not necessarily inaccurate. Even using a highly precise and accurate GNSS static technique in measuring distance between two points in the field would yield a value not same as what you get when using a total station, say with a difference of 0.50m. Two measurements are highly precise and accurate but why there is disparity? It is a Geodesy thing.

@@amdomag what I mean is, relocating isn't too far like stationing. Maybe you're using RTK in open fields. Have you ever tried using it inside cities with high rise buildings and malls?

A COMPLETE waste of time? Do you mean that surveying is all about setting up? How about geodesy/mapping/cartography etc? Do you mean that only through setting up an instrument you can produce maps for your clients? Come on. Tell it to the marines.

amdomag You didn’t set up over a point, your first effort at placing the tripod had the tribrach platform way off level, you adjusted (telescoped) the legs way too many times, didn’t clear a spot for the tripod legs to be placed into firm soil instead of spongy grass nor clear a spot below instrument to place a mark to memorialise the station. No indication of what you were doing, voice or text on screen. What does backsight in the description refer to? .............. The elevator music was the best part of video.

@@dave618034 Well, thanks for watching my video. The reason why I setup over my traverse point very carefully (you call it very slowly) was my Seco 360deg tripod adapter. Setting up way off tolerance of the Seco tripod adapter would provide excessive tilting over time. Redoing setup is more time consuming. I always take time in setting up my total station as precision/accuracy is more important to me. For me, this is what it takes to give my clients the value of their money. The setup location was clay. It was next to concrete in terms of hardness. I assure you that no tripod leg was floating. Using a Leica Total Station in setting up over a point is very easy using its laser plummet. If you suspect that I did not setup over a point then maybe you're used with optical plummets. Another thing is, you can always setup over some point without regard of its physical location by resection.

@@dave618034 I'm sorry if this video provides no information of what I was doing. I was/am unfortunately not a video editing expert and creating a good video is too much for me.

Believe it or not, my experience is already to the tune of 150,000 acres of land. How about yours with your 20 years of surveying experience?

If surveying is all about how fast you can setup a total station, then you absolutely have a point and I wont argue with that. How about precision and accuracy? How about F2F? How about geodesy? How about workflow?

Since you seem to want to challenge every person who questions your terrible slow-as-molasses setups, I’ve worked in New York City for the last 10 years, and, as a for instance, used a Leica TS15 and closed a city block traverse, uncorrected, at 1:2,200,000. I routinely close traverses after a least squares adjustment at a minimum of 1:350,000. I’m not hacking through underbrush though. I’m going vertical, which I and most anyone else worth their salt will tell you, is far more difficult and time consuming than banging around in the jungle. Your mistakes can be buried in math. Mistakes made going up a 60-story building can’t be hidden so easily. They can often be catastrophic.

I think my Leica MS60 (taking time to setup) can't cope up with your TS15 (fast setup) in traversing . I rest my case here. Taking my time in every setup is exactly the reason why I want to make sure that standard errors in least squares adjustment routine are tightly accomplished.

Pure resection work entails very straightforward setups unlike traverse surveys.

You're clueless. If you're in my team, I'll fire you out.

If I was on ur team I would be embarrassed lol . Time is money . 25 years ago I learned from the best in this area. You took to long . So before you say a pro is clueless how about you learn the tricks us old timers nowadays picked up .

I stand by my observation that you're clueless. Really a pro? How do you spell tribrach by the way?

Bro pro or no pro. Tribrach or autocorrect This is way too slow.

Have you not encountered even once in your life an 8' vial?

As you can fairly notice in the video, we pushed the tripod legs to the ground so hard by putting the entire body weight repeatedly to ensure negligible tilting afterwards. We also monitor the bubble in the entire process before finally initializing the GNSS sensor. We've been doing this for so many years with exceptional results.

Slap yourself and wake up

Maybe my experience in topo with more than 50,000 (fifty thousand and not fifty) has. of accomplished work speaks for itself. You did not answer my question below on how long have you been in surveying. Are you doing least squares analysis in all of your network adjustment? If you do then you'll understand the significance of good and stable setup. Are you a data collector user? Have you tried setting with surveying accessories like what you see in the video? It is your choice at the end of the day. My choice is to provide every client the value of their money and that is what professionalism is all about in my opinion. Why don't you post your own video to show me your rig and share how you deal with them during setup?

exactly. you gotta take time while setting up to make sure everything is perfect. BTW how much money does a surveyor make on average?

PRS92

We say in Germany "surveyorhelper".. okay the normal landsurveyor look at the display and the bubble, press a butten and wait until the "peep" come and walk to the next point. Thats 99 percent of external work.

I am a land surveyor how can you help me to apply job in your firm , please help

+Junaid Khan You got a point if surveying for you is all about settting up. I bet my good Leica total station with yours (whaterver brand you have) if you can get better output than I do. In this particular project of 28 hectares, my closure was at 7mm. Given the accessories like the Seco 360deg tripod adapter for my data collector and with all other accessories, I always take take time setting up. Do you have the accessories that I have like what is shown here? How long have you been in surveying? Are you performing least squares analysis in all your survey works?

bai. mao nay nakalahi sa pinoy ug mga puti... hahahahaha! dili kamao molantaw ug unsay mahitabo few hours ug dili maayong pagka setup ang mga gamit...

Mao jud. Mas importante sa ila ang paspas magsetup bahala nag way klaro ang agi. Pastilan ning mga tawhana. :)

amdomag bai taga asa ka? Taga cebu ko pero sa negros na... basin puhon magka meet ta... naa koy trimble system rtk ug trimble S6 robotic. Naa pod ko leica kaso TCR405 lang... leica digital leve, sokkia theo og TS ug uban pa.. Hilti laser equipments pod...

Taga Davao. Bisdak kaayo. Basin magkasugat ra to pohon. :)