Thank you! That’s a very well produced and clear presentation. Thank you for taking the time to write out your thoughts and present them in a straightforward manner. I learned a lot, and I’m sure others are as well. Keep up your good work!
@RexCogitans17 сағат бұрын
I just had an amazing WG angels and +1/+1 deck on pre release and only dropped a single game to "mull to five versus aggro nuts". It's fun to see it so low on your rankings. Looking forward to watching the rest of the video.
@ManaTutorMTGDraft17 сағат бұрын
Yeah, Matt might be right to call WG his wildcard! Very possible we're starting off too low on it. The angels look pretty good and I'm sure they look even better when pumped!
@LudwigLorriane-x5k19 сағат бұрын
I think this set will not be as slow as people think core set will be. First we have rule change, second red have two creatures will hurt you face when they have instantce and sorcery. And red sorcery also can hurt you face. So I think red will be very aggressive. But I have we can a slow set. I'm very looking forward to play big creatures, especially the seven deaths.
@LudwigLorriane-x5k2 күн бұрын
This video is so great, because I finally realize how judge what color is open. But I also want to know when to choose two drop, when to draw 4 drop. I mean how to consider the final deck will be more aggressive need more 2drop. I know basic rules like 4-5 2 drop, 4-5 3drop, 3-4 4drop and 2-3 5-6 drop. But I don't know how to use these to apply my draft😢. I draw a lot of two drop, but I find I'm lacking removal and 5-6 drop. Because I don't find the good removal in draft. Only some mediocre, even not my color.
@ManaTutorMTGDraftКүн бұрын
We're switching over to MTG Foundations draft now. It might take us awhile to get to an episode on the topic of "getting the right amount of removal and x-drops" but we'll be on the lookout for how we can work that topic into the new set.
@LudwigLorriane-x5kКүн бұрын
@@ManaTutorMTGDraft I'm really looking forward to your new video, and I'm looking forward to the foundation. I think black white life gain would be very powerful, and I can't wait to try it
@ManaTutorMTGDraftКүн бұрын
@@LudwigLorriane-x5k Same! We currently have black white life gain ranked as our 2nd most powerful deck in Foundations.
@LudwigLorriane-x5kКүн бұрын
@@ManaTutorMTGDraft I wonder what is the number one? I think red blue will be very aggressive, maybe it's the number one?
@ManaTutorMTGDraftКүн бұрын
@@LudwigLorriane-x5k We have blue red at number 3 and blue white at number 1. We don't think for Foundations we'll match our success rate of guessing the archetype rankings as correctly as we did for Duskmourn. But that's what we're currently projecting.
@camfunme3 күн бұрын
Even at max quality and fullscreen I can't read the names of all the cards. It hurts my eyes.
@ManaTutorMTGDraft3 күн бұрын
Yeah, thanks for the feedback. The free version of Streamyard doesn't have great resolution. We may need to upgrade to the paid version for the future.
@camfunme3 күн бұрын
11:09 I think you should only include the average of the top X cards of each particular archetype, as some cards won't be drafted or used even if they are in a particular archetype. Thus an archetype with polarised cards, i.e. some really good and some abysmal, will show as average in your calc, but will most likely play quite well, especially if the number of cards in that archetype easilly exceeds that which you need to draft or open in sealed. Not sure what to set X as yet though.
@ManaTutorMTGDraft3 күн бұрын
Agreed. Filtering out the worst cards has been less important since Play Boosters though as Wizards has consiously been trying to ensure all uncommons/commons are playable in limited. But I do think filtering out rares is important (since you can't rely on getting them). I also do think filtering out Fs is a good idea. I personally grade cards that might occassionally see play in very specific circumstances as Ds and intend to make my deck purely out of D+ and above cards. So filtering out Ds and below would be my currently recommended "X".
@z00k425 күн бұрын
Thank you! Extremely useful!
@LudwigLorriane-x5k5 күн бұрын
I have a question is about draft. I recently have my first 7-2 deck, it's a no rare deck red green deck. But when I have good mythic like white overlord in blue white deck or doll House and Anabelle in my red white deck I go 1-3. I just don't get it. When I have no rare I'm 4-3, when I have bombs I go 0-3. I will have land flow, stuck no other color or don't have removal. It's so weird, I don't know it's because my draft is so terrible or it's just bad luck 😢. And do you it's right to splash black for removal. When I draft I will choose a lot of good 2 drop but I just can't find enough removal to get rid of my opponent or I just can't draw it in my play😢
@ManaTutorMTGDraft5 күн бұрын
A no-rare deck that has a good base of C+ and above cards will usually outperform a deck with a bomb that’s supported by mostly C and below cards. Is it possible you’re taking the bomb early and forcing colors that aren’t open to your seat, leading the rest of your deck to be lower in power? If you find yourself often locking into colors before the wheel in Pack 1, that would be my guess as to what’s happening. It’s certainly possible your performance is due to bad luck. Most often it’s a little bit of both bad luck and finding some areas of improvement. I’d recommend checking out some of our recent episodes: Find Your Lane, Prevent Trainwreck Drafts, and Color Tallying System. Those help show how to identify the most open colors to your seat. As for splashing, it’s not uncommon to splash for a piece of removal or two if you’re very low on it. But I wouldn’t expect splashing for removal to significantly improve your winrate. It can even hurt it if you stretch your mana too far. My guess is that you’re having some issue finding the colors open enough to find enough good creatures and removal. I’d point you back to the episodes I mentioned above to help with that.
@LudwigLorriane-x5k5 күн бұрын
@@ManaTutorMTGDraft Thank you I will watch these Video. I think also I'm very suck with boros deck. I just can't win it. I have removal, card draw, bombs, and lot of two drop. I just use all my resource and gg. About red I only like red green, I think I'm more comfortable in slow deck. How can I improve this. Or I just avoid aggressive archetype?
@ManaTutorMTGDraft5 күн бұрын
@@LudwigLorriane-x5k You could favor the slower decks you’re comfortable with when drafting to improve your winrate temporarily, but in the long run you’ll be better off learning how to improve building and piloting an aggressive deck. Successful Boros decks typically have more top-end at 4-6 mana in Duskmourn than they do in other sets. If you’re running out of steam, I’d recommend either playing more top-end like Unsettling Twins, Friendly Ghost, and Fear of Immobility, or more card draw like Painter’s Studio. Here’s an example trophy Boros deck of mine www.17lands.com/deck/a828fdbefa21414eb0e769ef420f36c1 .
@LudwigLorriane-x5k4 күн бұрын
@@ManaTutorMTGDraft Wow this deck looks interesting. So many turn inside out and two playmate. I hope I have one, I have two Anabelle but don't see one ragged playmate in draft. Thank you next time I will put in more top end. Hope I will have much more win rate in foundation.
@mohammedraees6615 күн бұрын
What a great video highlighting almost all great duskmourn draft combos. Very much looking forward to video on foundations if possible since it’s a huge set. Thanks a lot
@moocowp49705 күн бұрын
I feel this skill is becoming less important due to how quickly 17lands gets fairly accurate data. If youre playing on day 2 of a format the data wont be super accurate, but you will already have a good idea of which archtypes to go for, which to avoid, which cards perform well overall and which dont. By week 2 youll already have a good idea of which cards perform well in each archtype. That said, I still think it is an important skill because what's harder than base-level evaluations is evaluating how well a card fits your particular deck, and how your deck compares to the average; and the only way you can get good at that is by first being good at the base-level card evaluations mentioned in this video. One mistake I made earlier in my draft play was relying too much on the data without thinking of the context. I now legitimately feel that a cards Game-In-Hand winrate% stat can shift hy +/-10% based on how it fits in your deck. E.g. i used to just think something along the lines of "oh Patchwork banner! It has a nice GIH WR and goes in any deck, it definitely makes my deck!" and that might still be true, but if my deck somehow only has 2 of any individual creature type (not sure how a bloomburrow deck would do that, but let's just say it does haha) then Patchwork Banner is going to be significantly worse in my deck than the stats would suggest, and perhaps im better running a slightly lower GIH WR card instead since in my deck that card might actually have a higher winrate. On the flip-side if my deck only ended up with nothing but rabbits, then patchwork banner is going to be even better than the stats suggest. Similarly for archtype's power level: i remember Chord O Calls and his card evaluation partner Mark making the comment that they noticed lately that if a an archtype had two strong signpost uncommons then that archtype was likely going to be strong. But then i thought, that also means that if an archtype only has one signpost uncommon that's great and one thats bad/fine then the stats will show that archtype as only fine on average, but obviously if you get the deck which has 3 of the good signpost uncommon and not the bad signpost then that deck is going to be better than the best archtypes on average (e.g. in Duskmourn a good example is probably a RB deck with 3 Disturbing Mirths vs 3 Skinrippers... Skinripper is a fine card, but I think the 3 mirths deck is going to severely outplay the stats and the 3 skinrippers deck will probably be somewhat accurate to the stats).
@moocowp49705 күн бұрын
Sorry about the essay 😅
@ManaTutorMTGDraft5 күн бұрын
@@moocowp4970 Lol, we're OK with essays on this channel! I agree with your comment wholeheartedly. In fact, if you didn't add your point about how this is an important skill to evaluate how well a card fits into a particular deck, I would have. Luckily, your essay covers it all and I have nothing to add!
@mordel_5 күн бұрын
I appreciate where you highlight disagreements on rating, and where you were a bit wrong in hindsight. Great perspectives.
@ManaTutorMTGDraft5 күн бұрын
Thanks for the feedback! The more we hear input like this the more we know to be putting more of that content into our videos!
@danpearman2705 күн бұрын
Well, I guess I've got homework to do...
@ManaTutorMTGDraft5 күн бұрын
You and me both, my friend!
@Qternocq8 күн бұрын
Could there be any reasonable reason why this has broadening borders on the side? Why wouldn't you want a short to be full screen? They are all vertical.
@manatutormtg8 күн бұрын
I edit my videos with the InShot app and this is what the app does automatically. I think I'd have to pay for it to show differently.
@darren55919 күн бұрын
This made little to no sense
@ManaTutorMTGDraft9 күн бұрын
@@darren5591 The feedback is more helpful if you explain why. Otherwise, I'll assume it's a troll.
@moocowp497010 күн бұрын
Im curious as to whether you ever watch Sierkowitz's content/analysis? He did some data analysis a long time ago during Streets Of New Capenna where he essentially said that the data showed you could NOT see an open lane based only on whether you see a good common pick 6 or less. In his example he looked at Inspiring Overseer (which was a busted common that was more powerful than most rares in the set and warped the format). He found that even seeing a pick 6 Inspiring Overseer did not end up indicating that white was open (i.e. you didnt get passed any extra good cards in pack 3 if you saw a pick 6 Inspiring Overseer compared to if you didnt see it). He does end up coming up with an obtuse method for determining if a colour is open, but its unrealistic to use it and even if you did use it it only actually indicates open colours a very small percentage of the time. This makes me think that perhaps the better strategy is to initially try to stay open to the modt decent archtypes as you say, and then eventually try to force a colour combo rather than read signals. Because i feel like if a 6th pick inspiring overseer is not a signal, then the absence of it or raffine's informant (another decent white card in that format) also shouldnt be signals that white is cut, it could just be that there wasnt many good options in the packs. Id be curious to hear your thoughts on this. Also, in this video, i think i would have liked your analysis on what would have happened it Paul stuck to forcing a green deck (not necessarily green black i guess), would that have turned out better than conceding into a poor archtype?
@ManaTutorMTGDraft10 күн бұрын
Oh yes, love Sierkowitz! I agree that earlier signals before the wheel in Pack 1 are at higher risk of having players to your right (also trying to stay open) switch colors and end up cutting that signal’s color. But seeing a Pick 6 inspiring overseer still increases the likelihood of white being open to your seat and I still think it’s important to favor the signaled color until a later signal tells you to do otherwise. I don’t remember what Sierkowitz suggested (even if not easy/possible to implement) for finding signals. I’ll have to go rewatch his video. A video with example of “if you were to force an archetype based on your early picks, even with the archetype not open to your seat” is an interesting idea. I’m pretty sure in Paul’s seat he would have missed playables. I’ll keep this idea in mind in case I find a new draft where it makes sense to go over.
@moocowp497010 күн бұрын
Very insightful video, but it brings up an interesting contention because Paul is one of the best drafters in the world, so it sort of makes me feel a bit conflicted as to whether your advice is correct or his strategy is correct: i.e. sure, it doesn't work out in this particular draft, but is doing Paul's strategy going to turn out better more often? (As I watch this he is fighting for Mythic #1 in Duskmourn... So his draft strategy obviously works the majority of the time...) I think in Duskmourn it's a bit more important to have powerful cards than synergistic commons, so perhaps his strategy makes more sense in that context. I think in general I personally go with your strategy over his more often as I try to improve.
@ManaTutorMTGDraft10 күн бұрын
Paul has mentioned on the Limited Resources podcast recently that he ultimately wasn't happy landing in UW. It's true I don't know him personally and can't speak for him, but I'm pretty sure this is a case of a very good drafter locking into a particular archetype and not seeing the other archetype option and wishing he did. It would be hard to play an event like the Arena Open, stream it, and navigate this very difficult seat all at once. Even the top players have a suboptimal drafts.
@moocowp497010 күн бұрын
Subscribing just to see more draft advice videos, but I'd say you shouldnt have included the whole draft of that other guy without providing commentary over the top of it, for a few reasons: -You're sort of just leeching of his content rather than providing insight on his picks (I know you provide commentary at the end, I think you could have done so without putting his whole draft in; or provided commentary over the top while he was drafting instead of just staying silent). -I'm not sure his draft was a good example of how to fix during the draft, even though it was multi colour splashing, and he considered 18lands, he just sort of got gifted all the fixing rather than prioritising it. Most drafts people would cut off your fixing so you're not just going to get 10th pick lands that are perfect for your fixing (sometimes yes, but I don't think it should be your strategy 😅). I know he's a good player and would have started prioritising it if he needed to, but in this draft he just got lucky and got gifted it throughout without needing to make any tough choices. -It really padded out your video timewise without providing heaps of extra insight. This could have been a 10-15min video if you cut the draft and/or only included some relevant picks in the video, or even if you just talked about his final deck list and how he ended up there. I think it's important to include examples, but I don't think having one example take up so long of the video is ideal. Hope you take the feedback as just that and I hope it doesn't come across as too critical . I did find it an informative video overall.
@ManaTutorMTGDraft10 күн бұрын
I was worried about the perception of leeching and also trying to take previous feedback (to show all the draft for context) into account as well. I hope people understood that with my note at 9:16. All my other draft commentary videos have me commenting over every pick, but this was my 1st video where I agree with the picks and wasn't sure how to do it. Your suggestion of adding commentary over the key picks even for picks I agree with is what I think I'll do for the future. Always appreciate feedback.
@Pantherbrujah10 күн бұрын
a lot of your analysis of Lola is ultimately useless for the vast majority of player and I am talking 99%. Lola is great at pathing and mental load and can pilot his decks in a way that most drafts cannot. While this deck works for him most would trip and fail on it and go 0-3. You can watch the same stuff happen with MTG monster where she runs 4 colors and runs it at 7-0 where no one else could. This is a huge caveat that has to be said when you are giving advice. They are drafting to a win con and have their entire deck logged in memory, where most players barely know what is in their deck. That's the difference between a #1 drafter and the rest of us.
@ManaTutorMTGDraft10 күн бұрын
While it’s true 3+ color decks are more difficult to pilot than 2-color decks, that doesn’t mean you must be a top-tier mythic drafter to have success with them. But why not take the opportunity to learn from the best? I’d highly encourage players who are currently only comfortable drafting 2-color decks that are also looking to improve their game to consider trying a splash and for those who’ve never double-splashed to try that as well. Yes, there certainly are cases (in fact it’s a majority) where splashes will decrease your performance. But if you are never splashing, it’s definitely lowering the ceiling of your winrate. You will become a better player if this is a tool in your arsenal. Of course you do need to learn how to do it responsibly and not jeopardize your base colors, which is why I started with those principles.
@Pantherbrujah10 күн бұрын
@@ManaTutorMTGDraft Here's the big issue with that premise, this deck works functionally in the bracket its drafted in by the person drafting it. What I mean by this is that if you look at the draft portion of worlds you'd find decks that would get absolutely eaten by this masterfully crafted deck from Lola. But you must have the skills to pilot it with your known conditions of how to win and where to go as you draft it. While the drafting portion of this deck is important, understanding how and what hands are victory leading hands and what hands aren't is just as important. Even if he has a good curve out in his hand, without holding the winning path or having a way to draw into it, it is just as useless as a poorly drafted one. That's the difference between Platinum stalled players, diamond forever, and I am a consistent mythic rank within 30 drafts.
@ManaTutorMTGDraft10 күн бұрын
@@Pantherbrujah It sounds like we're in agreement: piloting this deck is difficult. I just believe players who are looking to get better should practice drafting and piloting a deck like this. I'm not saying they're more likely to win their current draft with a deck like this. It takes time and practice to improve.
@jestemtomkiem11 күн бұрын
2:45 On the point of cheap filtering - I would think that cards that let you loot or rummage allow for playing MORE lands as you can easily get rid of the excess while minimising the risk of mana screw early on. It just feels more like drawing cards when your Canyon Crab gets rid of an extra land then when you bin your worst spell to draw an unknown card. Plus your average spell quality goes up a bit. I'm not convinced about this one Do you have mana recommendations for splashing double-pipped spells? Is 5 sources enough to splash an Overlord?
@ManaTutorMTGDraft10 күн бұрын
Agreed. I probably wasn’t clear enough about what I meant by “card filtering.” I meant cards that let you “pick” a card to draw like Opt, Impulse, Say Its Name, or landcyclers. Indeed, looting or rummaging effects like Grab The Prize that include discarding a card you don’t want that’s already in your hand can help mitigate the likelihood of mana flood. As such, they’re a good reason to favor a higher land count to ensure you hit your land drops.
@ManaTutorMTGDraft10 күн бұрын
I missed your question on splashing double-pipped spells. You'll typically want to ensure a high probability you can play your splash by turn 7. 5 sources isn't quite enough because you'll only hit 2 of those 5 sources by turn 7 53% of the time. The probability jumps significantly to 65% with 6 sources and to 75% with 7 sources. I personally target 7 sources and would consider 6 the minimum. But that's why double pipped splashes are hard and often wrong. But I still believe it's right for bombs like many of the overlords if you can get to 6-7 sources in a deck designed to play the late game.
@jestemtomkiem10 күн бұрын
@@ManaTutorMTGDraft Appreciate the answers! I felt something was off with the card filtering thing, but what you say now makes perfect sense. Good to know about the numbers for double pipped cards, this is a higher number then I thought, so I'll have to readjust a bit :)
@RexCogitans11 күн бұрын
Great video as usual :D. But I think you should link the video and the channel of the drafter?
@ManaTutorMTGDraft11 күн бұрын
Thanks for the suggestion! Done! Links now added to the description. I'm relatively new to KZbin and commenting on other drafters, so I appreciate all the feedback I can get.
@Qternocq11 күн бұрын
Great video, once again! Thank you for the tips. I'm now conviced I need to subscribe and not just see you fly by every now and then.
@markb697811 күн бұрын
Very good info! This is stuff I kinda knew, but having some real numbers to back up your land choices makes it a lot more solid than just going with what feels right.
@Qternocq12 күн бұрын
Your video's helped me look at drafting differently. Completely changed my perspective and really helped.
@jestemtomkiem12 күн бұрын
Your P1P6 stumped me - you have 2 red and 3 green cards, green is the most open by your own tally count. You notice that the best cards in the pack are white (one of the more closed colours so far), so you throw away green based on that one pack (by making white your primary colour - you're never going WG) and based on the decision to go white, you pick... a blue card. You mentioned that "recency matters too", but here a strong signal in one pack overthrew everything else - both the tally count and the picks you've already made. And the fact you chose Glimmerburst over Trapped In The Screen adds to the confusion. I think decisions like that should be explained more carefully Also - you're using Sierko's bar chart to show how card power diminishes every pick, then you follow with a draft where the first two packs had nothing for you in the first five picks, not the best example ;) I like your videos though, very valuable for me and I'll try and practise some modified version of this tallying in mock drafts :) cheers
@ManaTutorMTGDraft12 күн бұрын
I used this video more to show exceptions to the principles and less to show applying them (like I did in my Prevent Trainwreck Drafts video). Indeed, it can be confusing, especially to people who view this video first. Thanks for the feedback. I'll try to make future videos have more applicable examples and give more explanation when I demonstrate an exception.
@markb697814 күн бұрын
That's a really nice deck, thanks for going over the deck tech! I actually drafted a dual Mindskinner deck at my LGS this week. It was an 11 person draft with no one else in blue, so it came out even more absurd 😄
@z00k4215 күн бұрын
Amazing video! Super helpful
@ShutUpPatrick15 күн бұрын
hey just wanted to say thanks for this episode. i've been struggling to make UG work in the format, and was able to identify pretty clearly some of my deck building problems. i tend to 'paint by numbers' when it comes to building decks i'm not as familiar with, with a bias towards pro-active gameplans, and i'm typically too nervous to lean into the control side of things. i've definitely fallen into the traps you outlined as far as not having a cohesive deck that fully capitalises on the cards hidden power-level in a given shell. just picked up a trophy with a solid UG control deck. it had 4x copies of twist reality, and ways to board in more aggressive threats if the matchup was suitable (Best of 3 queue) 👍looking forward to more content from the channel!
@mordel_16 күн бұрын
This was a good example, as the drafter totally thinks the way I do through most drafts. At 13:22 you take Terramorphic Expanse, and if I was in the same process of wanting to go white-blue I'd probably have taken the Verge... I tend to not think about "if my current strategy fails" so your reasoning there helps me.
@z00k4216 күн бұрын
I mean, I think the first bad pick was taking a removal in p1p1. I would immediately pick Wickerfolk Trasher. Decent winrate, usable in both GR and BG (both decent archetypes). Why take the removal first? The delirium was wide open, and he completely ignored good green cards in favour of pretty risky speculation Ok after watching it all, yes, GR was definitely open. And probably better than UW without signpost uncommons
@ManaTutorMTGDraft16 күн бұрын
Agreed GR ended up being a viable deck. In fact, the tallies indicated green was a reasonable option (although red was being cut from your seat). A heavy green deck that still fought for some red cards would have worked. What makes GR a hard draft in this seat was the ability to predict in pack 1 that GR would end up actually being a viable deck by the end of the draft. The signal that white was open was too strong to bypass. Once you know you're white, it's hard to favor green given the performance of the WG archetype. We did end up getting a few strong white bombs and I do think the final WU deck was on the same power level as the final RG deck. Wickerfolk Thresher P1P1 isn’t that far behind Glassworks and Trapped in the Screen in winrate, but what makes the difference for me is those cards’ abilities to stay open. I’m personally only playing the Thresher in base green decks whereas I’ll splash Trapped or Glassworks if I need to. But the Thresher is a reasonable pick if you favor green decks.
@z00k4216 күн бұрын
@@ManaTutorMTGDraft I understand your reasoning, and I am by means am expert, but what I fear about this colour tallying approach is risking to favour colour over a more rounded card evaluation. As a rule of thumb, I shy away from first picking removal of any colour because I think creatures are the bread and butter of limited, and a good creature in p1p1 will always be (in my view) better than a splashable removal, especially if they are on par power level wise, and if the creature sits in an archetype that has very good removal that I can pick later on. First picking Trapped into the screen was not maybe the cardinal error here, but rather marrying it as a card and ignoring signals. I mean, he really did not care for green whatsoever, that was weird but I think one gets super nervous when playing for 2k€! What do you think, do you see a possible warp effect in colour tallying?
@ManaTutorMTGDraft16 күн бұрын
@z00k42 - Yes, I do see a risk in people blindly taking a card of the highest tally when a much more powerful card exists in the pack. That's why I wanted to stress the point at 4:29. This example draft was used more to highlight how color tallying + strong signals combined. But there are drafts where no strong signals present themselves that are better examples of adhering to color tallying the whole way through. For an example of that see the video link around 5:15. As for creatures vs removal, I agree it’s usually right to favor powerful creatures over equally powerful removal. Creatures have the ability to threaten the opponent as well as defend (and act like removal). That said, I’m not personally against taking removal early and the removal options available were strong enough in power for me to take over Thresher. But I wouldn’t strongly call any of those 3 picks wrong.
@z00k4215 күн бұрын
@@ManaTutorMTGDraft Thank you for your thoughtful answer, I will definitely take it into consideration and study more! I'll subscribe because I am interested in your approach. All the best!
@KDiaz-hy1xx16 күн бұрын
I think I would have ended up esper just splashing the screens
@ManaTutorMTGDraft16 күн бұрын
That deck did look viable. UB based isn't my favorite deck as it can have a hard time closing out the games. White was strong enough to make a base color, so I went that way. But I can see the UBw route.
@nathanramos354216 күн бұрын
this seems like a super useful concept, but i’m having a hard time understanding how to apply it trying to follow both Dafore’s draft picks and the picks you’re suggesting. when you’re tallying colors, are you counting the good cards of each color in each pack regardless of what you pick or are you only counting the good cards you pass?
@ManaTutorMTGDraft16 күн бұрын
Yes. I'm updating the color tallies with a point for each of the good cards in each color in the pack regardless of the pick. This includes points for the card I pick as well as the cards I pass. In my previous video titled "Prevent Trainwreck Drafts" I more explicitly state "add 2 to color x and 1 to color y" for each of the notable cards. I'm a bit more explicit during that video about what cards I'm tallying. But indeed, in this video, I'm adding a point for each card I'm saying is "notable" or "standout."
@Jgibbs09317 күн бұрын
Great video as always. Don't know how easy this would be, but if we could see the (ongoing) cards you picked during the draft it would help us see the flow of your draft better instead of the context of the single pick.
@ManaTutorMTGDraft17 күн бұрын
Thanks for the suggestion. Yeah, while I agree that'd improve the videos, it'd unfortunately take quite a bit of effort to do. And I do need to balance the effort of the videos I make against the quantity of videos I release (so potentially less videos). I'll see if I can find a means to reduce the effort and give it a try.
@blasterrob17 күн бұрын
Hit the nail directly on the head for my comment. Thanks man!
@ManaTutorMTGDraft17 күн бұрын
Thanks for helping to inspire a video!
@blasterrob14 күн бұрын
@@ManaTutorMTGDrafthonestly, anytime lol
@carlpalacios17 күн бұрын
The tally is a great way to objectively choose color instead of the gut check, can't wait to test this one out.
@johnturner24217 күн бұрын
Thanks for this vid! I'm wondering what your thoughts are on using Top Player data on 17lands instead of All Users in regards to determining stand-out cards. For example, in P1P2, Fear of Isolation has a 2.1% higher WR than Razorkin Hordecaller if we filter by Top Players, so I would be snapping that up even though we started with a red card.
@ManaTutorMTGDraft17 күн бұрын
Indeed, the main reason I took Razorkin Hordecaller was to stay in the same color as my 1st pick. Fear of Isolation is also a fine pick. When it comes to filtering stats for Top Players, it’s a balance of two things: 1. The sample size of the data (not filtering for Top Players can get you 6x the data) 2. The impact Top Players have on the signal you’re looking for. More difficult to play cards could have a signal for top players that wouldn’t be seen for Mid/Bottom players. There is something to be said that Fear of Isolation is a more difficult card to play (choosing what to pick up) and filtering for Top Users in that comparison can make sense. In general, I tend to favor the larger sample size and not filter for Top Players until I’m looking for my secondary color. I then filter for the different archetypes of my primary color and filter for Top Players. Yes, filtering by archetype and Top Players hurts the sample size more, but I’m particularly interested in seeing the signal of what particular cards bring to that archetype’s interactions with a top player in the driver's seat. You could certainly run more complex binomial t-tests to determine if a card is significantly stronger in a vacuum. But on the spot, using all players to find your first color and top players to find the best cards for a particular archetype is a good practice.
@piershollott33918 күн бұрын
Super useful advice, even if you are doing quick draft on Arena, where there aren't really signals, but you are still trying to manage what cards are going to wheel. Using a system rather than relying on gut instinct is always going to be better. Good stuff.
@thelifedragon215615 күн бұрын
even in quick draft, bots will take the "best cards" then stick to their colors. you will still see certain color be more open than other. there are still signals to read
@Kujapaints18 күн бұрын
I haven't played nearly as many drafts as I wanted to recently Highly appreciate the educational content Really miss Bloomburrow and it's wholesome little buddies XD
@novasnotvibing18 күн бұрын
yeah, seems like a case of letting nerves get to you and cloud how obvious the boros deck is
@ManaTutorMTGDraft18 күн бұрын
Yep. But I do think there's a lot of drafters who going pick by pick wouldn't identify the boros deck is open or would identify it later than necessary. Hoping some of these suggestions help those drafters.
@JavaJakesRoastery18 күн бұрын
Great content subbed
@TeamWKACaserta21 күн бұрын
This video has been enlightning for me. I feel like i have learned something fundamental of the basis of draft. Is there any way I can follow you on any social or live streams?
@ManaTutorMTGDraft21 күн бұрын
I'm glad the video was helpful. While I’m not new to MTG, I’m new to social (at least for MTG Draft content). I’m thinking of making a twitter account soon to post some decks/articles and I’ll announce that on the channel when I do that. Eventually I might join twitch/discord/patreon, but I’m just looking to grow on KZbin for now.
@TeamWKACaserta21 күн бұрын
@@ManaTutorMTGDraft let us know when you'll make these accounts. I'd definetly follow you!
@markb697822 күн бұрын
This is great! A very practical system that doesn’t rely on just feeling which colors are open. Will definitely be using this for my next draft!
@markb697822 күн бұрын
Wow, this is some real high quality content! There’s a lot of good draft content on KZbin, but you manage to focus on very solid, practical advice rather than just telling people what the best cards are. Very well done!
@mopanda8122 күн бұрын
I've often made the mistake of spending pack 1 thinking of what I'm passing to others more than what I'm receiving as determining where I'm open but this and the video on determinining open colors have me willing to trust the player passing me in p1 and p3 more than general availability of colors across the pool. Interested to try it out and report back.
@jestemtomkiem22 күн бұрын
Nice overview :) I like this video format, especially emphasising the game plans of each deck. I feel like understanding all sub-archetypes instead of just associating each colour pair with its most common sub-archetype helps a lot in navigating drafts. And this link to draft navigation is the one thing missing for me in this video: what is your estimate of how often you will be able to play each of the decks? When should I go for them? Early bombs of other colours would push me towards control, but if the lane seems completely open, I'm assuming the more assertive version is usually going to end up stronger? There's probably more to that and it would be interesting to hear your thoughts :) Great video!
@ManaTutorMTGDraft22 күн бұрын
I do think the nuts version of the assertive UG tempo deck is the strongest, but it's feeling less likely to come together at this point in the format. If you find yourself making defensive picks like Overgrown Zealot or Stalked Researcher because you're out of other options, it's time to consider moving into the controlling version. If I had to guess, the controlling version is probably open about twice as often as the tempo version. I think we'll make an episode about control shells + splash power soon since that's what seems most open for the taking right now. And I don't mean UG control, but basically blue control paired with any base color.
@jestemtomkiem21 күн бұрын
Love the answers, thank you :) looking forward to the video about control decks
@blasterrob22 күн бұрын
I may have completely missed it, but how did the points system work? I feel it's the last step I need to understand this whole thing.
@ManaTutorMTGDraft22 күн бұрын
Calculating the points: 1. For each pick other than the 1st pick in each pack, find the cards in the pick that stand out as in the highest power tier. 2. Add a point into the color's tally for each stand-out card in that color before making your pick. The points for this pick should count towards the card you'll take in this pick. Using the points: 1. When deciding between two cards in the same power tier, take the card of the color with the most points. 2. If they're the same number of points, take the card that pairs best with the color with the most points.
@blasterrob22 күн бұрын
@@ManaTutorMTGDraft you're the man dude!
@gpeixe21 күн бұрын
@@ManaTutorMTGDraft man, Im loving these. Ill try it next draft! But do you score double colors cards? Like the uncommon signposts?
@ManaTutorMTGDraft21 күн бұрын
@@gpeixe I don't score double colored cards or dual lands until I've already found I'm in one of that card's colors and I'm looking for a secondary color. Signpost uncommons will often come to your seat with the person to your right drafting one of those colors and the person to their right the other color. I'm going to post another draft review soon that shows me finding my colors a bit earlier that might help show this.
@gpeixe21 күн бұрын
@@ManaTutorMTGDraft thank you so much! You are helping me a ton! Just used this method and drafted a GW deck after finding out it was open. I know is not a strong archetype, but I 5-3 this draft. (the ones before were 1-3 and 0-3). Thanks for the tips!
@drummer169022 күн бұрын
I implemented the recommendations you gave us in the last two videos and... Holy shit! It makes such a huge difference even in plat 4
@NUMSKUL_TX23 күн бұрын
Seeing the skinripper pick 3 I think would have sold me lol. Really surprised you didn't even mention that card as being good? This is a very odd draft though every new pack is like "huh?" What's going on. Pack 2 pick 10 rb wide open! I'd feel decent about where I was at and pray for mirth pack 3. I'd be in a pretty good position to be mardu I think too for the mayhems.
@ManaTutorMTGDraft23 күн бұрын
Yeah, I think skinripper is good. I didn't mention it as notable because it's not a card I'm willing to splash, which would leave it open to 7 decks, and instead is only open to BR. I'm not willing to lock into a single archetype by pick 3. It's true that you'll sometimes shoot the moon by picking the skinripper and get lucky that RB is open to your seat. But for each time you do that you'll have another couple of times that it's completely cut off from your seat. That would have been the case in this draft as well where playing anything but a white deck would have left you lacking playables. It was definitely a difficult seat, which made for a good video!
@deadpoolm23 күн бұрын
cool vid , learned alot :) keep up the good work
@carlpalacios23 күн бұрын
I applied last video's tips on my most recent draft (I only draft twice a week) and I belive the whole table ended up with subpar decks (I'm also in Gold). However, high level events like these it looks like everyone knows waht their doing and signals become clearer. At least that is my perspective :(
@ShutUpPatrick23 күн бұрын
rank won't affect who is at your table - as the format progresses drafts tend to get trickier to navigate and the average power-level of decks will take a hit. unlikely you did anything wrong by following the advice from these videos, they're really solid principles 👍
@carlpalacios23 күн бұрын
@@ShutUpPatrick I agree this is solid advice. I just wanted to pont out since this is an arena open event, you won't see yur everyday drafter at the table. Most will be pros or content creators dedicated to draft content, so they have more skin in the game, thus knowing better what they're doing, and leaving open lanes. In a regular draft you can get paired with all mythics, all bronze, or a mixed bag. I have noticed that when I get into a draft that looks with no open lane , I assume most people are low level or have little experience with the draft format. Making questionable decisions when picking cards. In some other drafts you have a clear path by P1P9 in your wheel. Just my two cents :)
@jamiepark205524 күн бұрын
Yooo nice video, this lines up with everything i've thought about UG. Maybe consider a video about UB. I have no idea when to angle towards it instead of UW in the drafts atm
@ManaTutorMTGDraft23 күн бұрын
UB is a good one. It’s a deck I certainly want some bombs in, but whereas I actively avoided it the first couple weeks of the format, I no longer am. It actually plays similar to the controlling version of UG manifest dread. You start in blue for its 1-2 mana removal/bounce, 2-3 mana counters, and card draw. You pivot into black for its cheap removal. You often splash for more removal and bombs.