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@@warpod i thought it was a live :/

@@sethhenty6128 glad you were!

Thank you for the feedback I will try to address what points I can. 1. I'm not a linguist so I have to go by what I've studied. I've read that theory, but most sources and linguists still list Afroasiatic as having six divisions within the Afro-Asiatic phylum: Amazigh (Berber), Chadic, Cushitic, Egyptian, Omotic, and Semitic. That's even listed in the Encyclopedia Britannica, Oxford Research Encyclopedias on Linguistics, and the University of Chicago's Institute of Ancient Cultures just to name three. If you have any sources you would like to provide I would love to read them and include that view on the show. 2. Again I'm not a linguist but I have seen several proposed language trees showing how the various branches may be related to one another and none of the ones I have seen show this specific model. Cushitic is it's closest relative because they emerged around the same time, with Cushitic being somewhere between 1-2000 years older, but that doesn't mean they're directly related. They're cousins. As just one example cushitic languages use Subject, Object, Verb word order. Semitic use Verb, Subject, Object. Not to mention differences in nouns, fricative, etc, but that's a massive change for only a millennium or two. Again if you have a source please link it and I will be glad to include that theory as well. 3. This is wonderful information. I've read of some of the Arab tribes, and have only seen a few mentioned prior to the spread of Islam and the Qhatani were on that list. I plan on going more in depth on this once the podcasts reaches that period of time. 4. Again great information. As I said near the start of the episode though the Arab cultural identity didn't exist at the point the show was covering. I plan on talking about this once we get to more as the time period of the show moves forward. 5. I just did about a months worth's of episodes on Egyptian etymology, mythology etc. and I did make the connection to Kemet/Black land. Though I believe the Egyptian word for person was rmṯ not mTu. Plus I'm not sure how a Bantu word got to Nabta Playa while while it was still in use. Bantu or Proto Bantu doesn't expand out of Cameroon until 4000 BCE at the absolute earliest and even then it isn't that far. By that point Nabta Playa would have been in use for 3500-4000 years. Thank you for your time and please feel free to drop any sources or links and I would be happy to review them and put forward those positions as an alternative.

@@warpod Thank you for the reply. I am using a phone to excess KZbin. I cannot post or furnish sources. In any case, this is just a discussion, not a scientific review. 1. I am not a Linguist either. I do follow linguistic studies especially those of Africa. I You correctly pointed out that in popular Western academia as evince by Wikipedia, Britannica, National Geographic; Afroasiatic is recognised as well as Niger-Congo, Nilo-Saharan, KhoiSan (all done by Joseph Greenberg) even though the last three have been debunked and the first Afroasiatic has undergone reclassification with the formal exclusion of Chadic (most so-called Berber languages are in fact Chadic or creole of Chadic and Ionian Greek), Beja (now taken as its own phylum), Omotic (also its own phylum probably within Afroasiatic) while Berber is no longer a valid language classification. For example; the "Libyo-Berber" languages are actually Sudanic, being related to inter-alia Bantu as well as Old Egyptian. Tamazight (Amazigh language) according to Moroccan and Algerian scholars is not related to Semitic. It is likely a sprachbond between ancient Greek and the African languages of the Gaetuli and Afuri tribes of Mediterrenain Africa who since 810 BC until the emergence of Mauretania in 63 AD has been settled by Greek colonists of Apollonia, Euesiperidis (Bengazi), Tripolitania (Tripoli), Taucheria, Naucratis, Cyrene (Cyrenaica). These colonists have morphed into the Kingdom of Numidia led by the Massynia dynasty. Old Egyptian was only associated with Afroasiatic by reason of geography as Joseph Greenberg assumed Egypt was related to either Semitic or what he termed Cushitic, thus sandwiched between 2 Afroasiatic languages. So, he presumed, it must have been Afroasiatic. But there is no genealogical link between Old Egyptian and Semitic or Somali (the two languages used to study Afroasiatic). Wikipedia says "Old Egyptian is a stand-alone language family within Afroasiatic.......it is distantly related to proto-Afroasiatic". 2. [no. 5], Bantu and Mande (the language family of North-West Africa) are not related to Naija-Volta languages. Joseph Greenberg assumed that Bantu people looked like West Afrjcan, and since Bantu is present in the Cameroon, next to West Africa, it ought to originate there he reasoned. Modern Bantu actually comes from the Nile Valley in South Sudan, and has its origin in southern Libya and/or Nabta Playa in Sudan/Egypt border. In fact, there is a high probability that the language of Kerma/Kush/Merowe was ancestral to modern East Africa and southern Africa Bantu.

I appreciate the difficulties in finding and linking sources on mobile and I admire your passion for discussion. However without more scientific sources I don't think it will benefit either of us to further communication as some of what you're saying is just flat out wrong or I've never seen put forward in any context. I don't say this to be rude, but I can't really respond to claims without knowing the evidence they're based on. That said I will respond to some of these claims. 1. Joseph Greenberg's work has been thoroughly challenged by other linguists and I've included some of these criticisms when discussing the subject and I've been working from more recent models from other linguists. You're correct that KhoiSan has been debunked. Even Greenberg himself at the time he published thought that he might have gotten that wrong. It was more of a family of convenience. However Niger-Congo and Nilo-Saharan have not been "debunked." This is just wrong. There have been challenges to specific inclusions of certain sub families yes but by and large these are still considered families. 2. Some of what you're saying I've never heard put forward in any academic literature. I've never seen Beja listed as it's own phylum. Including Berber as a Chadic language is also a new theory to me. I've never seen it put forward anywhere. I have seen a theory that they branched off from a proto langue called Libyo-Chadic, but I've never read that Berber is a form of Chadic.That said Moroccan and Algerian scholars are correct in that Amazigh is not Semitic. I've never said it was and no modern model says it's Semitic. They do have loanwords from other languages though and that includes Arabic, Greek, Egyptian, etc. That's not a surprise though lots of languages have loanwords from other families. English has a ton of Romance and Greek loanwords. 3. Libyo-Berber isn't a language it's a script, also known as Tifinagh, and it was used by a number of different Amazigh speaking peoples prior to the arrival of Islam. Some still prefer the Tifinagh. Perhaps you are confusing the possible Libyo-Chadic with this? 4. Old Egyptian doesn't have an article on Wikipedia. If you search Old Egyptian it pulls up this page: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_language On that page there is a section on Old Egyptian but it does not say it is a separate language. It just says that archaic Egyptian is the earliest written form of Egyptian and covers the period of proto writing to Old Egyptian which "is dated from the oldest known complete sentence, including a finite verb, which has been found." 5. Also claiming Greenberg just made assumptions based on geography, in the case of Old Egyptian (which doesn't exist as a separate language as you claimed) or because of Bantu and Mande supposedly looking a like is a gross oversimplification and fundamental misunderstanding of his reasoning. Just a simple understanding of how most linguists assume languages develop and spread should make clear that Greenberg thought Bantu started in Cameroon because that's where you see more Bantu branch languages spoken in that region than anywhere else. Again, I do really want to thank you for the time! I would be more than happy to be proven wrong, but you throwing random unsourced theories or misunderstanding Wikipedia articles isn't going to do that. If you have the time and can find proper sources when you're at a PC or something like that please feel free to drop them here or email at [email protected]

@@warpod Thank you once again. This is my last response. i. Do search 'Nilo-Saharan'. I believe it was debunked before KhoiSan. ii. Do search the new 'Atlantic Congo' - a new name for Bantu proposed by an Arizona woman linguist whose name I cannot recall. This followed a discovery that Bene the claimed link between Bantu and Niger-Congo is not related to Bantu but a member of as yet to be named new language phylum of West Sahara. iii. Search Fergus Sharman, 2012 Affirnity between Alan Gardner's Middle Egyptian & Bantu. You may also search Theophile Obenga, 1972, Alan Gardner 1954, Meinhoff on the subject. iv. I have not checked Wikipedia recently. I did have a page on Old Egyptian. They initially classified it as Language Isolate (which was mainstream until the 1980s) but later place it as a stand-alone most diverge member of Afroasiatic. iv. Libyo-Berber is a proposed 'Eastern branch' of Berber language. Tamazight long regarded as a Berber language. Berber people do not exist as an ethnic group, while Amazigh people are actually Mauritanian descendants of Numidian Greeks. v. Tifinagh was an abjad script derived from early Phoenician Alphabet brought by Lebanese in 753 BC and adopted by Libu, Amonni, Garamante tribes Libya-Tunisia.

Thank you for this information! 1. On this point I think I misunderstood some of what you were saying and for that I apologize. 'Nilo-Saharan' as proposed by Joseph Greenberg has been overturned. You are right on that point. He did add some languages to the family that were flimsy at best. However some people contend that the family exists it's just a different shape... or organized differently than Greenberg laid out. Blench et al in 2016: www.rogerblench.info/Language/Nilo-Saharan/General/Saharan%20Songhay%20branch.pdf. Also Bender and Dimmendaal are two other scholars that think while Greenberg go a lot wrong when it came to the family he still got more right. Now Georgiy Starostin, Tom Güldemann, and the Max Planck Institute disagree with these assessments . Some more vocally than others, but overall this is still being debated. 2. I think I should be able to find the linguist you mention knowing that she is from Arizona. That said the Atlantic Congo language tree is known to me, but it sounds like the one she has put forward has been organized differently. 3. I will check this book out. Thank you for the recommendation. 4. Everything I've studies post dates the 80s so that explains that discrepancy. 5. Again I have never seen anything about a Libyo-Berber language family. I will look harder. I also never mentioned a single Berber ethnic identity. I have said Berber speaking peoples. A language is not an ethnicity. Thank you again for the recommendation. The Sharman book looks particularly interesting.

@@Greninjake You're good man! Glad it was just for a month and not longer.

@@warpod haha

Hello! Thank you for the feedback. I am always looking for information on pronunciation if you know of any good pronunciation guides for any African languages that would be a great help. As for assuming that Africans are all hunter gatherers... I don't. I may not have stated it clearly enough in this episode, but in several of my earlier episodes I talk about crops and animals being domesticated in Africa. However for the time frame of this season 6-4000 BC(E) in these parts of Central and Western Africa the primary mode of living is still hunter gathering. Their are a number of groups that are beginning to practice agriculture and herding but, at least in West Africa, this is only supplementing the hunter gatherer lifestyle. Societies organized primarily around agriculture or herding do not emerge in this region until the time period I'm going to cover next season. Around 3000 BC(E) Though if you have any specific reading or sources where they firmly date or contend that these societies began earlier I would be happy to read them. I'll be covering peoples in Eastern and North Africa that have already made this transition in the next few episodes.

@@warpod The wiki page of Iron_metallurgy_in_Africa holds sources that reveal contested controversies from field findings. as for pronunciations, when encountering a word beyond the anglosphere, one suggestion would be to use the phonetic sequence rather than the english lettering.

Thank you! I'll dive into the sources listed on this page in depth latter, but so far the citations from the first 4 sources mention nothing about agriculture prior to 4000 BC(E) which is the cut off of this seasons coverage. As for the pronunciation I always try to find phonetic spelling, but sadly I'm not always able to find them broken down that way. Sadly a lot of journals and academic sources in English assume you have some familiarity with the tongue.

@@warpod yes, your concern is that people in the span of roughly two thousand years would achieve iron metallurgy from hunting and gathering, which comparative to other societies would be a blink of an eye. Perhaps aliens intervened in West Africa alone. Plainly permanent settlement and hierarchy were necessary components to begin scientific expansion of smithing, the span of which entails eight thousand years of the neolithic. For reference, the same iron smelts are used today in making farming tools. A village will spontaneously construct an open air fed clay kiln with either ore or wrought input. wiktionary has a phonetic description of any word you will personally need to read for a video to prevent your sounding like a dullard layman.

I don't know what aliens have to do with anything. I've only ever brought them up as a joke or to poke fun at people. You're correct that the development of iron metallurgy in such a short period of time is impressive, but I don't believe it is impossible. Especially if you had access to telluric or meteoric iron. What's more reading the sources on the page you suggested shows that they were working copper and other materials as well. So they didn't just start with iron and magically master it. It was a long process and iron items weren't even produced in large quantities until sometime between 1800-1200s BCE. I also mentioned that the archeological record isn't complete for the area and people living settled agricultural or pastoralist life styles may have existed there but they just haven't been found yet. As for my pronunciation I tend to be hesitant to use any wiki as a source, and as I am a layman when it comes to linguistics I don't know how accurate those entries are. As for being a dullard I would never use that term to describe someone who learned something by reading about it. Though between being a dullard and being a disingenuous passive aggressive troll I'll take being a dullard.

Thank you!

I did see them, and I did respond to your request for a question for your Q & A. As for your voice, I was surprised. You've got a very good voice for narration.

Thx!

Back at u!

No worries!

Don't worry about it! I'll be watching your new video in a bit

@@warpod thank u

Don't worry. It was a very rough start and I made some blunders. I'll probably restart this run.

Thank you. I appreciate you listening.

You laid out a lot of my problems with the game, especially the character interactions. You're also right about the republic gameplay, with the exception of Rome and maybe Carthage, but nothing feels as boring as tribes. Thank you for the feedback.

Thank you! Appreciate you stopping by!

Thank you for the listen and the feedback! I admit the name is a bit of a mouthful, but as I was in the planning stages of the podcast a couple of the names I had planned on using ended being used for other podcasts and by the time I was ready to start producing the show I just needed something that stood out, so I went with something that was a little out there, but that was also easy to abbreviate. In this case to WAR. I hope you continue to listen and enjoy.

I've thought about it. With my recording the night before it doesn't leave me a lot of time to cut down videos. It is something I would be happy to do if when I have more time. Thank you for the suggestion!

I'll be continuing it later this week!

I'm out of town this weekend. I'm going to try and stream tonight, but worst case scenario I will be back Monday

It's alright! Part 2 will be out later this year. Plus this video is short. It should have been shorter but I'm dumb.

@@warpod Is part 2 gonna have to wait till chapter 2 releases on console?

The game crashed as I was running to the Lady

Not sure yet.

@@warpod alr, understandable

I haven't played Mirage yet, but I am a big fan of the series. I streamed AC Origins.

@@warpod So you streamed every AC game besides "mirage"?

@@Patrick-gj2sw I have only streamed Origins.

@@warpod Oh, that game. I thought you meant like a full AC series. my apologies.

It happens! Don't worry about it.

@@warpod alr 👍

I plan on streaming today and the rest of the week.

@@warpod alr

The video was bugged for some reason. It said zero views despite having at least 5 when it was over. It is now fixed

@@warpod I see. did you know JT music made a Mortal kombat rap song recently? Your should check it out. its so fucking good. and the images are so brutal. just like the game. You'll love it.

I think the Akkadian Etymology can be safely discounted, but it is always interesting to look into any explanations.

That's insane! That makes me glad I'm not into Roblox

@@warpod oh one more thing, once your done playing "little nightmares" theres another horror game I want you to try called "dead space: remake" theres a dead space 2 and 3 but I don't recommend playing them untill they release a remake version of em. just wanted to let ya know

I've played them when they originally came out and I'll probably get it when it is on sale.

@@warpod did you play the remake tho?

@@Patrick-gj2sw No

Not as epic as the MegaTeam

You guys are to kind