Not disagreeing with anything said here but was just thinking about the claim that in natural law, (apart from special rev) man has a natural instinct towards self preservation , propagation etc. True, but on this level do not the animals also have a similar instinct? When we get more toward the moral instincts of man it is more clearly reflecting the true image (tho fallen) of man as distinct from the rest of creatures.

Very encouraging!

I think they're missing the point that Moses was a faithful servant in God's house, Christ is the Son with all of the privileges. The writer of Hebrew is explaining the old covenant with the earthly temple, types and shadows, but Christ is the reality

"to name names, Dr. Oliphant and Dr. Frame do not understand Van Til ..." If two of his direct disciples, each dedicating their careers to further Van Til's theology, "don't get it," then Van Tillianism has a major problem. To be fair, Camden admits this in a wholesome and edifying way when he says that "maybe it's Van Til's fault." So, what's next?

The amount of mental and spiritual gymnastics prots have to do with the scriptures and the fathers is incredible.

It’s hard to understand why there would be some in Reformed circles who disagree with the substance of “definitive sanctification” as was discussed by the men here. It is so central and fundamental to the very essence of our understanding of the Christian life. Love to see a work written by these men further elaborating this blessed truth.

Resurrection of the inner man in this age: is that born again?

Did Jesus refer to his resurrection when he spoke of the kingdom coming?

The summations of covenant theology on this Channel are super helpful! This as well as other vids.

Excellent!

These three together are such a wonderful synergy in the Spirit talking about the wonders of God’s redeeming grace.

How about preach the Gospel and do the work of an evangelist!? The church of the first century existed in a very pagan world and yet the church thrived. Perhaps the so called “Christian identity” this country has had in the past has been removed so that the true battle lines could be drawn. The church needs to be armed with the Word of God, purity of doctrine and to humble herself under God’s mighty hand. The church needs to repent of worldliness and man centeredness and return to her first love. True revival is definitely needed and is just as possible now as it was during the Reformation or the Great Awakening. Perhaps the mask or props of phony cultural Christianity needed to be removed so that true supernatural religion may thrive again.

WOW-not sure how to put this in to words in KZbin comment-but i discovering how we view the Bible matters-Like your comment Pastor Perkins on the New Testament and "how does one get eternal life" and you breaking it down along with what NT Wright might say/view.. Thank You, there are those of us newly saved that do not know the truth on how to read scripture since most pastors and believers I know are dispensationalist and people in churches think "The Left Behind" series is the most influential book they have ever read???????? Seriously.

‘Futurists’ seem to be unable to take Christ at his own Words. No Scripture needs ANY interpretation from men.Scripture interprets Scripture… It always has. “This generation” means just that. It does not mean 2000 years later. Christ would have said “That generation” or “The generation who sees these things”, BUT that’s NOT what Christ said. Most Christians believe Revelation was written in 90-95 AD. Why would anyone believe that when these same people say ALL Kohn’s other writings were done around 50AD. The main reason i believe Revelation was NOT written that late is because there is NO MENTION of the most monumental event in Centuries… ‘The Destruction of the Temple’ and over a million Jews killed. No one word about these things mentioned by John. When IT was mentioned was by Christ Himself in Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21. ( 70AD ) WAS WITHIN THE APOSTLES GENERATION, and ALL of what Christ said happened IN THAT GENERATION. It’s tragic that people hold on so tightly to lies simply because they have been repeated for centuries. Even the ‘melted’ stone remains of buildings and structures can be found all over the world. Then there is this… preterism was invented by the Jesuits… guess what so was futurism… concocted by a Jesuit in the mid 1500’s … look it up. It’s also like the belief that the ‘harlot’ who rides the ‘beast with seven heads’ is ‘the Vatican’… that’s preposterous. That whore is described in Revelation 18. She is first identified in Ezekiel chapters 16 to 23. She is also connected to what was in the ‘the flying roll’ the ‘EPHAD’ with the ‘lead cover’ spoken of in Zechariah. And there is much more. Also , why would the beast with 7 heads- who is satan, why would satan hate satan, the Vatican is obviously evil ??? The 7 heads are hills but not the Vatican’s hills… Jerusalem also sits on 7 hills. The ‘hills’ represent the ( 7 ) continents which rise out of the waters and are where all people , tribes, nations, and tongues live.

I am very blessed to hear. Keep it up. It is so useful and edifying for the body of Christ!

Camden, I enjoy the chitchat at the beginning. M personally into woodworking and recently set up a shop as well. Recently discovered this channel and was happy to see you and some others are also enjoying this hobby.

Well, missed the window for the drawing but you guys are so valuable, and all that you do is an absolute blessing and gift to the church. Love you guys and Godspeed for 25!

What a glorious subject matter is this episode! I especially appreciate Camden’s comments on “what could be greater than to be involved in Gods glorious plan to take the gospel to all nations. And the fact is that we are already victorious! We could be put to death but we will be victorious. What could be a higher calling? “The harvest is plentiful but the laborers are few. Pray to the Lord of the harvest to send out laborers into His harvest.”

The neglect of including Mr. Hart in the TableTalk issue says more about what they’ve become than anything else! Glaring omission indeed! Ligonier, since the passing of the great RC Sproul, is a shadow of their former self. It must be said because it is true.

I think it’s a fairly well known fact (in the reformed theology world at least) that Jonathan Edwards himself regarded Van Mastricht as the best of theologians, and superior to Turretin (though Edward’s also highly regarded Turretin). This fact alone is enough to peak my interest in this hidden gem in the world of godly theology.

The regenerate Christian is more TRULY Jewish or in other words an “Israelite indeed,” than the most faithfully orthodox Jewish person who has rejected the Jewish Messiah Jesus. Romans 2; 28, 29 says this directly: “For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh; but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God.”

Thankful for your ministry!

Great chat guys thank you

Brother, as of the new testament we are all priests, but we have elders who are also priests, but also have the position of teacher. All are priests but not all are teachers. Unless you define the idea of teaching in some complicated Reformed Theological form. Wait that's what you did for 50 min. Let it go! Blessings

Yes all of Israel shall be saved. Israel is not the nation state of Israel nor is it the Jews because in God's eyes there are no more Jews. He said so in the New Testament. However there is still Israel and that consists of all the believers in Jesus Christ. There is no lucky sperm club in God's providence. .

LP is based.

Good stuff!!

It appears that our streaming platform stopped the livestream at 4 hours. Since we ran a little longer than scheduled, the final portion was not streamed to KZbin even though it was recorded. That means the winners of the drawing were not announced. We will be contacting the winners privately and shipping their books out ASAP. An edited version of this event will also be published on Friday, December 27, 2024 as an episode of Christ the Center.

Nice hat, Carlton!

Camden has lost all credibility with me. He believes wrestling is a real sport. :) It troubles me that there are all these NAPARC denoms some with maybe 60k members worldwide? The invisible church mantra isn't quite satisfying. Maybe others share the same lament that unity and catholicity is often given short shrift. Apostolicity is another can of worms.

Excellent discussion! Redemptive-historical Amillenialism is the eschatology of the Bible!

I watched this 12 years ago and either I remembered everything for 12 years, or I came to the same conclusions on my own.

Excellent!! Loved the book. It was my Christmas gift this year to ministry friends!!

Okay Cam 😂

The last kingdom in Daniel 2 of IRON (strong) and clay (weak) are mixed but not adhering together describes the land now with Jews and Arabs mixed but not adhering, and the Israeli defense system is called Iron Dome, and they now have Iron Beam (energy weapon), and the strategy by Jabotinsky to take over the land was called Iron Wall. And now they have military operation Iron Sword.

The Jerusalem Post article from 2017 admits Israel will be the center of the Belt and Road Initiative and capital of the nwo, titled “Israel and the unexpected new world order” All nations (‘waters’ are nations/peoples as explained in Rev 17.15) will gather to where she sits in false worship as they did at the tower of Babel, but first a traumatic global crisis must be engineered to ‘bring the world together’ with a masonic temple (with an ai god idol). Order out of chaos.

Is it a coincidence in Revelation the harlot comes riding on a red beast in the wilderness (the Temple Institute in Jerusalem is preparing a red heifer sacrifice to bring back the temple ministry, which in Torah was prescribed to be carried out in the wilderness/outside the camp like at Mt Olives) and dressed in the colors and jewels describing the high priestly garment from Exodus 28.4-11? Or that Zechariah 12.2 describes end-time Jerusalem as a cup of reeling, echoing language and imagery from Jeremiah 51.7 used to describe historical Babylon taking over the region?

The ‘great city’ where the Lord was crucified is called Mystery Babylon (also S0dom and Egypt) at the end of the age ruling over the kings (govts) and great merchants (billionaires) of the earth: _And their dead bodies will lie on the street of _*_THE GREAT CITY_*_ which spiritually is called S0dom and Egypt, WHERE ALSO THEIR LORD WAS CRUCIFIED._ (Rev 11.8) _The woman [Babylon per 17.5] whom you saw is _*_THE GREAT CITY_*_ which reigns over the kings of the earth._ (Rev 17.18) _”And in her was found the blood of prophets and of saints and of all who have been slain on the earth/land.”_ (Rev 18.24) _”Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her!”_ (Mat 23.37) _for your [Babylon’s] merchants were the great men of the earth, for all the nations were deceived by your “PHARMAKEIA”_ (Rev 18.23)

The ‘great city’ where the Lord was crucified is called Mystery Babylon (also S0dom and Egypt) at the end of the age ruling over the kings (govts) and great merchants (billionaires) of the earth: _And their dead bodies will lie on the street of _*_THE GREAT CITY_*_ which spiritually is called S0dom and Egypt, WHERE ALSO THEIR LORD WAS CRUCIFIED._ (Rev 11.8) _The woman [Babylon per 17.5] whom you saw is _*_THE GREAT CITY_*_ which reigns over the kings of the earth._ (Rev 17.18) _”And in her was found the blood of prophets and of saints and of all who have been slain on the earth/land.”_ (Rev 18.24) _”Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her!”_ (Mat 23.37) _for your [Babylon’s] merchants were the great men of the earth, for all the nations were deceived by your “PHARMAKEIA”_ (Rev 18.23)

Just to clarify, it’s the PRETRIB rapture that has deceived so many and is unbiblical. The great trib is not the same as God’s wrath either, which many pretribbers conflate. The rapture or gathering together in the clouds happens when the Lord returns as the Son of Man in glory with every eye seeing Him at the resurrection. 1948 did not fulfill Isaiah 66.8 as many pretend, the context is the resurrection when Christ returns in glory which has not happened yet.

Encouraging chat Thanks guys

Read the Mystagogy of the Church by St. Maximus. The ancient liturgy still ised today in Orthodox Churches is an apocalypse, or unveiling of Christ is doing on the eternal cosmic scale.

The first chapter of Payton’s biography helped me woe my wife as I presented the model of home life I was aiming for.

It means that do not just profess with your mouth you love God and His Creation, but actually do something physically to show it. I.e. keep the second commandment of Christ that naturally keeps the first one he gave. People like to debate the faith instead of living it.

Yes, the works of Van Til will go on til Christ’s return!

I appreciate the critique of "self-sending" ministers/missionaries because it seeks to cultivate both ecclesiastical and personal faithfulness where we currently find ourselves in the Lord's providence. He that is not faithful in little cannot be trusted with much. Also, this critique is really helpful because it emphasizes more than a man's mere inward call to the ministry. Our Lord leads His sheep through the courts of the church.

Honestly, they used deep word, praying to God to understand them.

social contagion

Too rambling get to defining

How does a man go from a city builder and mighty hunter to be represented has an idiot ?