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Just came here to flag and thumbs this down Everyone have a good day !

@meL_anji 11 ай бұрын

Honored to have been a part of this in any capacity, thank you for having me <3

@sarcopels 11 ай бұрын

Thank you again!

@pinkrockettt 11 ай бұрын

I really appreciate you making this and editing such a good video! I hope more people see this!

@Llerme 11 ай бұрын

I really appreciate your video and you taking the time to interview and edit this. I'm a big supporter of Game Changers and ESL Impact because I think it's super dope to provide opportunities to women in esports and to get more women interested in esports. However it almost seems unfair to the women competing to say it's entirely misogyny. This is something I have been thinking about quite a bit, and I just have one thing that nags me. If there have been female professional CS players for 20 years, why wouldn't a single one of have them "graduated" to the higher tier leagues, or even come close? Like is it possible that there are other factors at play other than misogyny? I'm not remotely denying that that exists in esports or that it would be a big factor, but those women teams that have been playing CS full-time as their jobs have never broken the top 100 teams in CS, behind many unsalaried teams. Do you think it is just because they don't work hard enough? Like wouldn't there at least be one or two that excel. Isn't it possible that there is something biologically different between males and females that happens to make men slightly better at certain video games? Women are biologically better at a lot of things, like pain and stress management, relationships, better leaders ect. There have been studies (quick google) that show that men have outperformed women consistently in spacial reasoning and spacial perception tasks, which I would imagine would have at least some impact on your ability to play video games. Have you noticed how well MtF competitors perform in female tournaments? (no hate just food for thought) In this world where women actually are held back from doing so many things because of men, it seems unfair aspiring female gamers to not acknowledge that hard work alone might not get them to the very top, and have them feel like they need to "graduate" to the open league. I think that Riot and especially Valve should invest more in female tournaments, because that will bring in a whole new audience, as we're already seeing with GC in Valorant. But I think sometime soon it might be time to drop the "graduation" notion and try to really build up more of an environment where female leagues get more of a spotlight. I'm not trying to be remotely hateful, and hope I did not come across that way. This is obviously a delicate subject, and you have to be really careful with how things can be taken. But as far as I know nothing I said is untrue and I am legitimately trying to start a discussion here. So what are your thoughts :)

@sarcopels 11 ай бұрын

There may be female players who have been playing CS for a long time, but the % is so much lower that there is such a small talent pool in comparison. There are VASTLY more men at all different levels, both below, above, and equal with female pros. This means that the "odds", so to speak, of a woman being at the top level is lower because the percentages of women at EVERY level are a lot lower, and it's already so rare to be at the top level even if you are a man. This, when compounded with added sexist barriers (consider the recent news in the NA VCT scene that revealed certain GC players have explicitly been denied trials on the basis of their gender, etc), means that closing the gap is difficult in so many leagues. It is even harder when the scenes are developed so much later than their male counterparts. Consider that this same thing happens across a regional perspective too--I think the best example to me is the OCE region in VALORANT. There's ZERO genetic reason that Australians would be worse than other players, but there is a MUCH smaller talent pool because there are....... less australians playing (ESPECIALLY since Riot does not offer a lot of support to leagues in Australia). This isn't a hard and fast rule and of course has exceptions (plus again, support makes a HUGE difference even when a group is underrepresented population-wise which is essentially the underlying point of my thesis), but it seems obvious when we think about regional talent in certain games, there are regions that are more or less represented on account of the support they receive and how large their population is. When you consider that not only have women been under-supported in specific games but ALL throughout gaming history, this means this disparity is even harder to overcome. There may be a lot of women, but there are not a lot of women who play games beyond a casual level--again, due to historic exclusion and discrimination.

@Llerme 11 ай бұрын

@@sarcopels Thanks for your response. I am just trying to reason out with the facts in front of me. Even with a vastly smaller talent pool, it just seems really unlikely that there wouldn't be at least one to break through. But it is possible. But isn't it also possible, just possible, that it could be biologically harder for women? I'm not saying it's impossible for them to compete, just harder? When there have been numerous studies demonstrating significant differences in reaction time and spacial reasoning, it seems crazy to disregard it as a possibility. I watched the whole video and actually enjoyed it quite a bit. At the end of the day we do agree that more resources should be delegated to GC and its equivalents.

@sarcopels 11 ай бұрын

@@Llerme There have been a couple. Karma in Rocket League, Geguri in Overwatch, SonicFox and Umisho in the FGC are a few examples. I know there's been at least one in Apex as well, but I don't know enough about that scene.

@Llerme 11 ай бұрын

Ok interesting examples. My only remaining question is this: Isn't it also possible, just possible, that it could be biologically harder for women? I'm not saying it's impossible for them to compete, just harder? When there have been numerous studies demonstrating significant differences in reaction time and spacial reasoning, it seems crazy to disregard it as a possibility. Like studies published in reputable peer-reviewed journals. Why does nobody talk about this? I know it is not PC or whatever but it is a reality of life.

@sarcopels 11 ай бұрын

@@Llerme Studies on this are inconclusive though. A study published in the American Behavioral Scientist, for example, indicates that many studies that try to gauge the difference between male and female gamers do not account for previous gameplay experience. When women are by and large casual gamers due to societal conditioning, that means there is less practice put in to develop those skills. Obviously it means that in a straight up study, men would perform better since on average men have more hours invested into games that demand skills like reaction time, etc., but when gameplay experience is accounted for, there is not a gap in skill. There's enough indication from other studies that debunk the idea of a genetic difference to make the issue inconclusive, so assuming that genetic factors is the major barrier (which many other studies indicate that it does not exist anyway) when there IS an already existing and very prevalent barrier caused by sexism is unproductive.

@senstanley 11 ай бұрын

Incredible study. You're an inspiration. Also, subbed! <3

@sarcopels 11 ай бұрын

thank you!

@sarcopels 11 ай бұрын

Hi everyone! After a lot of hard work, I've finally sat down to take care of some final edits for my thesis on marginalized gender esports to release it to the public. I'm super excited about this project and put a lot of love and time into the research, interviews, and creation of the paper and documentary, so I appreciate you watching. Furthermore, if you are interested in the actual written thesis where I break down the data more and discuss limitations/etc of the study, you can view it here: docs.google.com/document/d/1ncSacR11SwthzCbn2kKGqWLvKGdbyyWNHsDmToIl8rQ/edit?usp=sharing. For those who have written a thesis before and look at it only to see 27 pages, this is because my department allowed me to have the documentary be the primary element of the thesis--so the actual written paper is notably short when compared to other theses. Less writing for me, so yay! My degree is in strategic communication, thus the focus on the marketing/branding aspect of marginalized gender esports. This is an honors B.A. thesis that was submitted to the University of Utah on April 30th, 2023, so some minor details (ie teams that were signed with x org), may be out of date. Thank you to Anniepoo, meL, sapphiRe, and stvn for their willingness to sit down and chat with me, and also a special thank you to my thesis advisor, Dr. Curtis Newbold, for being an integral part of supporting me in the research process. All video footage is acquired under Fair Use education laws. The purpose of this documentary is purely educational. No profit is made off this work.

@Llerme 11 ай бұрын

@@rue3090 Ok marketing and sexism definitely play a huge part, but is it really out of this world to say there are biological differences? Even if this guy comes across as a sexist asshole he's not wrong about there being a difference between men and woman in some of those regards (not all of them). And yes there is tons of evidence. Especially on reaction time and spacial reasoning, both of which would presumably have huge impact on competitive FPS games. Isn't it possible that biology plays a factor in this? Why would you think it couldnt?

@nonyobisniss7928 11 ай бұрын

@@Llerme Nicely and succinctly put. I hope they answer you.

@Llerme 11 ай бұрын

@@nonyobisniss7928 Probably not. When reality doesn't match what people believe they usually ignore it. Also you need to chill out a bit dude the way you give criticism will never lead to anything.

@sarcopels 11 ай бұрын

@@Llerme I am not required to engage with every argument that comes into my comments, and not all discussions and arguments are worth the time and energy when they will likely be unproductive. Furthermore, I have a life, and some answers simply require more time than I have to articulate than others. Don't assume why you are being ignored--making passive aggressive comments here is unnecessary. Respectfully, KZbin comments are not exactly a place I feel like carrying out any kind of drawn out discourse about this topic. Edit: forgive if my tone here is a little harsh-I can respect that you at least seem to be approaching this in good faith-but at the same time I hope you understand reasons I originally chose not to reply that are not necessarily deeper than you are trying to make them out to be. Hopefully my reply on your original comment suffices on my perspective with that particular facet you’ve brought up.

@rue3090 11 ай бұрын

@@Llerme Happy to answer you, and at the minimum I respect how you presented what you want to say. I agree, of course it's possible that a biological difference results in accounting for some part of this disparity. Studies on this issue appear to be inconclusive though, which isn't really a point in its favour. In addition to this, I see we can agree that the factors covered in the video are also at fault for this disparity. Would you agree that those factors are far, far more impactful that any biological difference? When I look at the evidence and my own experiences, it seems clear as day that an overwhelming part of why these groups have such limited representation at the top level is because of these other factors. In my mind, it is logical that marketing and a community fraught with sexism play a far larger part in reducing the talent pool of these marginalised communities than a biological cap ever could. To me it is obvious that some GC players absolutely have the raw skill (and other honed skills) to compete in Tier 1. MeL (and while I'm aware it wasn't intended to be public knowledge, it is an excellent example) had a Tier 1 offer vetoed by a male player on the prospective team because that player was not comfortable playing with a woman on the team; if this isn't sexism, I'm not sure what is. Female and non-conforming gender groups have been improving significantly over that past decade or so, in direct correspondence with increased backing. For me, there isn't any reason to think that this trend will not continue, as long as the support is there. I feel that your argument, while it might hold truths, is seeking to undermine the real issue we are trying to address. There is an issue with marketing, sexism, and discrimination in esports - that is undeniable. Redirecting attention away from these issues towards other, obviously unsolvable ones like biological limitations prevents these problems from being corrected, and makes sexist and discriminatory people feel as though they are justified - this exact thing has happened with responses to your comment. I'd urge you to consider why you felt the need to bring up this topic as a response to that person. Your point is absolutely debatable, but maybe in a more accepting, logic/scientific based environment where it doesn't encourage more hurtful rhetoric. Sorry for the long response, it would appear I'm passionate about this subject haha.. @sarcopels is absolutely right... youtube isn't the place to have these discussions lmao

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Noice!

@sarcopels 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

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