As will you lol

What an odd comment. Neither were Zionists and one was a Christian, the other an atheist. Did you listen to the same interview as I did I wonder? They discussed Palestine amongst many, many other subjects. I found it an utterly engrossing discussion where both men were charming. Unlike many today. People are no longer charming as they are far too opinionated and make short statements with little support for their un-thought through comments.

@@myla6135Said was born a christian but became an atheist later in ife.

Yes, they both believed Israel had a right of existence but not a right to keep Palestine subjected to collective punishment

@@DeeWeber no he didn't lol where do you guys get this from. He just lost hope and wanted a two state solution. Now that ship has sailed. If he was alive during these days, he would not agree to it.

it is called proxy wars backed by the west? The fact that you tie a western backed occupation to Islam, makes no sense. it has nothing to do with islam, that is the point. Both Arab Christians and Arab Muslims were displaced during the 1948 Nakba. The west has been the most barbaric in our history with 100s of millions of lives taken by their own hands. You are so disconnected from reality it is not even funny.

I agree that it is morally reprehensible to expel a people from their country. However, there are several reasons that it is not necessary to discuss this when covering the plight of the Palestinians. One, the Palestinians were not the cause of those expulsions. It has nothing to do with anything they did or their circumstance. Two, the zionists welcomed the expulsions. They were actually involved in subversive actions (e.g. bombing of synagogues in those Arab countries) that resulted in Jewish people leaving the countries they were born in. Many Jewish scholars (e.g. Ilan Pappe, Avi Shlaim, etc.) believe Mossad was involved in covert operations in Arab countries and assisted the Zionists. Their goal was aligned with that of the Zionists, the emigration of Jewish people to Israel. Third, the expelled Jewish people settled in Israel, Europe, and other nations enjoy all the fundamental rights and freedoms those nations offer all the other people in those nations. They are happy. If they really wanted, now they could probably return to their original native Arab country. The Palestinians don’t enjoy the fundamental human rights and freedoms granted under the UN Charter of Human Rights. They are prevented from returning to their homeland. The Jewish people have been present in Palestine for millennia, but so have many other ethnic groups. The Jewish presence in Palestine was negligible for a very long time, and the Palestinians were established for generations as the dominant ethnic group. They peacefully coexisted with the Jewish people who did live in Palestine. I understand the plight of the Jewish people and their desire for their nation, especially after the Holocaust. I am not sure what the correct answer should have been, but the brutal Nakba that was inflicted on the Palestinians and the continued mistreatment of them ever since surely isn’t it. Not all Jewish people agree with the State of Israel. Some orthodox Jews believe that the State of Israel can only be achieved when the Messiah returns and it is granted by God. Others believe they are simply nationals of the country they live in and don’t believe they need to be aligned with the State of Israel. I only state this to highlight that the Jewish people are not monolithic on this. It is time for the cycle of violence to end. Violence and oppression only feed new generations of hatred and more violence. The only way to end it is to grant the Palestinians fundamental human rights and freedoms, their dignity and self-determination. When they achieve that, ideological entities like Hammas will go away.

Because Linda , Palestinians were expelled in 1948 , Jews were expelled during the 1950s and the 1960s , Palestinians have nothing to do with the Jews being expelled from Arab countries, and palestinians have always were meant to come back, literally 2 months into the nakba the UN issued a statement that they are to Come to their homes , Jews never demanded that right , they just took in the Israeli citizenship. If they ever want to come back and make that their cause , anyone with a conscious would stand by them

@@ghofraneoueslati7258 The Jews were expelled because of Israel becoming a state and winning a war IMPOSED ON THEM by Arab countries. The war was waged in the name of the Arabs TOLD TO LEAVE BY OTHER ARAB COUNTRIES.

Israel was a safe place because it FINALLY HAD AN ARMY to defend itself. Why would any Jew go back to countries sworn to kill them? I don’t think you get this at all and have been forced to drink from the well of poisoned propaganda .

@@lindabarry7867 Israel was never safe. That is the lie that has been told by the Zionists in order to appeal to more Jews to migrate. To argue that the region that you claim "hated them the most" was a safe haven for the Jews, just exposes the Zionist lies. They just wanted a western outpost for western powers interests in the region under the guise of a "Jewish state". And dont speak about propaganda lol Americans and Zionists are the most propagandized people on the planet. Totally out of touch with reality.

Norman Finkelstein seems to be nuts

A very strange non-sequitur. I don’t much care for the self-absorption of either Said or Finkelstein - but in Said the terseness did at least mask a probing desire to unearth truths. Finkelstein by contrast has no desire to unearth ANYTHING - he HAS all the answers - more through osmosis than forensic examination - and entertains selectively only those data which support his thesis. A deeply troubled and unpleasant hobby-academic.

There are many eloquent supporters of Palestinian rights. Yes , and we need articulate champions like Dr Finkelstein.

Fearless, even in regard to drinking and smoking.

@janegardener1662 Well we have to die of something don't we?

@@Woof45 Yes, we do. I wonder if Christopher was quite so nonchalant when he learned he had cancer. Perhaps he regretted his choice to drink and smoke.

@janegardener1662 You can fantasize that he was, I suppose, if you like. Are you just wondering or are you an offended God botherer?

@@Woof45 I'm just sorry for his wife and children...and for others who miss his voice and opinions, like myself.

Nope. He was worthless.

The Dunciad is a landmark, mock-heroic, narrative poem by Alexander Pope published in three different versions at different times from 1728 to 1743. The poem celebrates a goddess Dulness and the progress of her chosen agents as they bring decay, imbecility, and tastelessness to the Kingdom of Great Britain.

wrong

@@Dtchmastrkilla7Then what is the reason both claim the same land?

I thought the same thing. His description of the seige as a medieval tactic is so on point. The civilized world is not so civilized after all.

About what

Its a logical answer. Nothing comes out of nothing.

@@arc8696 But then no one is responsible for their actions ever. And that's not a world that can survive

Whereas one might wish he would urge the grossly violent to be more sparing of innocents and more focused toward specifically identified targets of interest and to have the courage and foresight to take that approach, one cannot fault Said for parrying and sending the discussion (and a discussion was all that it ever was) to the standstill position with his so called "whataboutism", which was nothing to ignore by the way, being the 800 lb gorilla in the room (i.e., the terrible "normalization" and even moral righteousness of modern warfare's increasing demand for 100,000s of innocent victims if only to spare the attackers any risk of harm to themselves as they catapult their explosives 1000s of miles from themselves so they never have to endure any harm or danger themselves - aka cowardice). We can't fault Said for demanding that the question be framed somewhat differently, so that the discussion, debate, conversation, or what have you can actually progress to some better state of affairs than just a stalemate caused by lack of interest or imagination on the part of the questioner.

Refreshing? More like cringe inducing for me. The equivalence at 23:05 about fundamentalism would be proven badly wrong a few months later in New York. For such a mild mannered and intelligent man Ive heard him on more than one occasion essentially downplay the barbarity of Islam. Anyone with a brain today knows thats nonsense. Hitch was right - Islam is the most toxic form of Abrahamism today. Youve got to go back to the 1930s if you want to place Christianity at the top. And just to remove of semblance of bias Im an atheist who will never shy away from criticizing christianity so I dont absolve them lightly.

@@jmlaw8888 ok.. chill dude. I just want two people to calmly talk and the ppl to listen and ask informed questions calmly and patiently. There’s no time for your rants.

@@haroon420 What you want? What you want is irrelevant so stop sniveling. You put a response out on a platform that allows (barely) free commenting and reply. A comment that is actually supremely ignorant given what is said and what later happened. If you dont like the reaction then tough titty. Either delete it or grow a backbone.

@@haroon420 LOL jmlaw8888 is right

@@jmlaw8888 In 1983 Israel invaded Lebanon where the majority of Palestinain refugee camps were. They had their own security forces which were driven out: the IDF then surrounded two camps name Sabra and Shatila, and let the Phalangists (fundamentalist Christians) in. Over the next several days the IDF fired flares for the phalangists to continue their massacre at night. It killed roughly the same number as of people as 9/11, but when men walk in with machetes and go looking for pregnant women to rape and then cut their wombs out, men are attached to powerlines, and people are killed in the most gruesome ways imaginable, it's a different level of barbarism. For the record, the Israeli High Court has ruled that the actions of the then General Sharon was the proximate cause of the massacre. You seem like a nice guy, but your worldview is myopic. The significance of 9/11 wasn't "OMG, we never knew how violent religion can be", it was that the US isn't magically protected from fundamentalists, any more than Palestinians and Jews have been protected from Christians, and so on and so forth all the way back to the Crusades.

can you elaborate more on how Lebanon, Jordan, Iraq, and Syria were established the same way that Israel was? In what ways was the process similar?

This is bull.😂 It's not about the country names. Its about the PEOPLE. This is an ARAB region. Where arabs (Muslims and Christian) have lived for centuries

Just look at the faces of the israelis. And you will know they don't come from the middle east. Actually lots of them weren't even born there

​@@arc8696almost 60 percent of the Jews in Israel are mizrahi ie Middle Eastern from Iraq, Syria Iran etc

Not the same at all. All those countries are populated by their native peoples. While Israel was created by replacing the native Palestinians with European immigrants.

Israel doesn't allow that. Israel's final goal is to push out all the Palestinians

The displaced refugees refuse to become Egyptians, Lebaneese, American, etc. They choose to remain stateless to preserve their victimhood. And if it is passed down as the primary "identity" to their children, then the conflict of land will never be resolved

There is such a thing as gradation in people; it's not organized by ethnicity or nation or class but there are superior people and inferior ones, and these two people were both of the superior grade.

They are high calibre within the mediocre public intellectual sphere. Still mediocre

Is the hypocritical postmodernist in the room with us right now?

@@DiogenesNephew Right!!! Or as I say Small penises are us… gonna start a promotion for the ladies, we only need one… gonna nominate Jason Momoa….

What utter hogwash

@@DiogenesNephew lol… they do protest so…

Hate based speech. Israeli army is the real terrorist.

So an entire population of innocent of men women and children are terrorists? Little babies are terrorists? It’s people like you who make it impossible to have peace.