I am glad i am a person that learned and fished with baskets fishing i learned from my grandfather my grandfather also learned from out ancestors. We are native that know most things that archaeologists don’t know. Also i know how to do rabbits to stick to kill the rabbits and i know ancestors did use the stick for rabbits them use it for multiple use . Today years by year the mission land is getting smaller and smaller but the mission represents a lot of bad things that happened to the natives . It doesn’t represent what we know today. Peace freedom etc.. and after all still today when a people see us the natives them still think we are not from this lands and just because our color . I hope the natives will never forget the language ,native dialects and cultures

I bet Abel Tasman would be a bit miffed if he read that grade school text book, have been the first European to see Nieuw Zeeland and encounter Maori, some 127 years before Cook.

I was interested looking at the map when you were discussing the Polynesian Triangle, I am aware of the cultural, linguistical, and genetic connections between Maori and the ethnic people of Taiwan. Also in 2019 I visited Yakushima, Japan and speaking with a Maori tour guide living and working on the island he spoke about some language similarities he had come across while in Japan. With Yakushima only being approximately 750 miles from Taiwan, what is the likelihood that Polynesian settled the southern islands of the Japanese archipelago before the current ethnic Japanese?

Rewrite the history not Columbus- Polynesian reached China and America first including the Antarctic

Most Polynesian place names and words seem to be a mix of French and Spanish with occasional English. Like "Vanuatu" - Va nu a tout - In French it means "Go completely naked" or "va nu a tu" - Go naked, go yourself/go alone" - My guess is the islanders there killed people who were dressed, since they could potentially hide weapons or their clothing could be infested with bugs etc... And "Kiribati" - Qui Rebati in French means "Who Rebuilds". Ton gars (the r and s are silent, so "ton ga"...) means "your guy" in French. If you say "hay agua aqui" which means "there's water here" in Spanish fast? Hawaii, it even has the same cadence. Vandravandra, in Fiji - "Vendre, a vendre" means "Sale, for sale" in French. Tuamotu "Tu a mot, tu?" "Do you have the word, you?" - I would assume that refers to a password that initiated chiefs got so they would know who were the allies of the Europeans who visited and traded and treated them well. - There are soooo many more examples I could point out. It's weird, hard to brush it off as a coincidence, especially given part of the area is still known as "French Polynesia".

Norwich City. Built in Hartlepool and operated by UK companies would be pronounced 'Norritch' City by builders and owners.

Back in 2015, purely by coincidence, myself, my ex-wife, who’s Peruvian and speaks fluent Spanish, along with our 3 children, we all visited the Museum of Lambayeque in Northern Peru. It was an unreal experience. Because here they were telling a big group of visitors, of their cultural narratives of contact with Polynesians. I couldn’t believe my ears, they had no clue I was Māori, but here I was looking at paintings from local artists in this museum, that told their stories of an ocean voyaging people coming from the West. So far as to say, that their ancient leader, the “Lord of Sipan” had Polynesian ancestry. I stood there in this group, just shaking my head in bewilderment. All my life I’ve heard talk of Polynesian contact with South America, but always from our side. But here I was hearing the same talk from the other side. I still cannot believe the events of that day happened. Absolutely surreal.

Amazingly, this speaker overlooked mentioning that this is not just Ric Gillespie's theory, it is the ORIGINAL theory of Earhart's disappearance, pursued by the US Navy as the very first place they looked beginning only days after she disappeared in July 1937. Everybody involved proceeded according to this theory at that time. The problem was, the Navy's search of the island was done by AIR ONLY, a manner which would be very unlikely to see one or two people standing somewhere on the island. Hence, this theory remains possible still. Otherwise, this was an especially detailed and well-organized talk as concerns the speaker's area of expertise, the archeology of the investigation, and well worth it.

Sadly, TIGHAR has a very SEVERE case of tunnel-vision. They also FREQUENTLY practice OMITTING facts. They make a HUGE deal regarding their archeological digs that Multiple camp-fire sites were uncovered. Which would be quite remarkable on an uninhabited atoll. However, they also do not put hardly any emphasis upon the FACT that Gardiners (Niku.) Island had, since Amelias disappearance, been colonized, farmed (coconut groves planted) and had even hosted a US coastguard base. So while Gardiners was a deserted atoll at the time of Amelia Earhart, it would be less than 5 years later, before all of that changed. Giving TIGHAR the appearance of more credibility is the fact that Niku is once again abandoned. If they gave us, the general public, those lesser known irrefutable facts, it would no doubt, also give their "abundance" of evidence MUCH less weight and excitement.

This is the best submarine-oriented upload I have ever seen on KZbin. It may be the ONLY video discussion of submarine issues available to the public online that is oriented to submariners as an audience with consideration of the technical matters appreciable by such an audience.

0. I agree that a Pacific coastal migration route makes sense. As you point out there are bits of information for other routes, but these routes seemed to have less impact. Most of the evidence for the early coastal peoples is underwater. A search for underwater middens (of say: seas shells) might be interesting. 1. Sea currents in current Pacific. There are reports of unmanned Japanese fishing boats drifting onto the West coast of N America, similar to coconuts and hardwood drifting to the English coast. So a prehistoric Japanese fisherman could end up in N America by just drifting there on currents. Japanese coastal villages were inhabited about 30-35000 bp. 2. Seals as a sea area food source in addition to fish. While I agree that salmon could have been a food source, Dennis Stanford was impressed with how whole Alaskan Indigenous families move on ice flows to catch and prepare seals. 3. Mammoth hunting in pre-historic American East coast. Dennis Standford noted that offshore fisher men collect mammoth bones in dragnets, and in one case the mammoth bone had an embedded spear point made out of rhyolite in it. The history of prehistoric European travelers is likely under water. As far as I know, American Indian DNA contains both Asian and European DNA traces. The unanswered question is: how did it get there?

yes

The sub rescue ship, Skylark was with the Thresher monitoring the trials the whole time. They heard the implosion when it happened. They also bad EB personell on board when it sank.,

The engineers said the Thresher withstood the shock trials in the Philippines within reason, but that she did sustain some damage. That was the reason for the 9 month maintenance. It was anything but routine maintenance, but I've never read anything stating what damage the shock trials resulted in?

Please put a pin in any questions you may have and save them for after the presentation. Thank you

Diffusion: Look at Japan in the 19th Century. Or the spread of silk from China to Europe. Etc.

Pre-Columbian contact across the Pacific is not an extraordinary claim. It's inherently plausible and perfectly legitimate to look into. There is no reason that higher evidentiary standards should apply here than in, say, the peopling of the (rest of) the Pacific. A requirement like that smacks of an ambition to preserve a European primacy in contact with the Americas. Perhaps an issue to look into is that of microbes. We know of the catastrophic effects of the Native American encounter with Old World infections. Is there any reason why that problem would not have arisen with contact from the Pacific?

Given the enormous maritime success of the Polynesians all over the Pacific, it seems inherently likely that there was contact. It would be surprising if the Polynesians suddenly stopped. They would not have known that they were out of islands. They did reach Madagascar.The Polynesians seems to have preferred unpopulated new territories. That may have been scarce in the Americas, which could explain why there were no (persistent) Polynesian settlements in the Americas. It also appears that the Polynesians may have discovered the Americas for themselves just before the Europeans. They seem to have beaten the Norse by a hundred years or so and then again in the 14th and 15th centuries, just before Columbus.

Polynesia seems to have been colonised by humans very late in our history. What happened to propel these argonauts over these enormous distances, something no-one seems to have done before?

James Cook DID discover. Not for everbody, but he discovered a lot of stuff for Europeans. That is still discovery. He did not invent, say, Polynesia, but that's different. Europeans didn't know all this. Until Cook came back. Which makes it a discovery.

It is curious how constrained Academia seems to be. I haven't studied any of this stuff at university. However, I now don't remember where I read about this very issue, but it wasn't very recently. Probably something like 20 years ago. And, of course, Heyerdahl raised the question in principle (whatever you may think about his theories otherwise).

37 pings 24 hours after everyone was supposedly already dead.

Maori had feather dress help with rain and keep warm

watched this after I saw "the youtube guy" video. Interesting how someone can jump to such conclusions.

Very informative. Thank you. It's a shame that parts of engines haven't been found. They would have the most metal that a metal detector could ping on. I also saw a recent KZbin post that included a video of the the Electria taking off from Lae. As the plane is on its take-off run it starts to lift-off but then makes contact with the ground creating a dirt cloud. It was hypothesized that this damaged the lower antenna that was needed to receive radio transmissions. This could account for why the Electria could transmit but could not receive.

I collect San Diego milks and I've never even seen that one J D Rodgers before, it must be a rare one.

46:37 is it accurate to use proto-Polynesian words for comparison? By the time deep sea navigating was established (I’m assuming it would be when the Polynesians left west Polynesia), proto-Polynesian language would’ve surely evolved to Samoic or Tongic by then right?

35:26 that’s sad. Just like that her theory is still dismissed despite proving that calibration wasn’t needed and her findings were accurate?

This archaeological research is interesting, but Amelia only lived in Nikumaroro for a week or less. So a great deal of effort and research went into following in the footsteps of a dozen or so meals in 1937. Radio activity on the frequency used by Amelia was noted by professional radio operators who plotted the direction of the messages, which all converged on Nikumaroro. Then various private listeners heard harmonics on different frequencies, but they heard Ameiia "s voice and her distress messages. And the messages are all consistent: she's on a desert island, not marked on the charts, Fred Noonan is in a serious condition, they've run out of water. There's no need to look for further proof, especially as Gallagher is sure he's found her skeleton and is sure she died of thirst. That's more than enough. Among the objects found is even a jar of mercury cream, a freckle remover, the brand Amelia used... All clear, no need to spend hours looking for more clues. As for the plane, like all pilots Amelia tried to tie it down to the platitude, but all she had were light cords and brass wire. She had landed at the end of the low tides but just after her landing the tidal coefficients rose and 4 or 5 days later her plane broke loose and floated away. After several kilometers, it began to sink, and when it reached a depth of 50 meters, its tanks crashed and ruptured. The plane's diving speed accelerated, and it began to glide underwater, covering several more kilometers. If you look further, you'll get a good echo and find the whole plane. See my website : ameliaearhart.free.fr

Ces recherches archéologiques sont intéressantes mais Amelia n'a vécu qu'une semaine à Nikumaroro voir moins. Donc beaucoup d'efforts et de recherches, sur les traces d"une dizaine de repas en 1937. Une activité radio sur la fréquence utilisée par Amelia a été notée par des opérateurs radio professionnels qui ont relevé la direction des messages, et ces relevés convergent sur Nikumaroro. Ensuite différents auditeurs privés ont entendu des harmoniques sur des fréquences différentes, mais eux ils ont entendus la voix d"Ameiia et ses messages de détresse. Et les messages sont tous cohérents, elle est sur une île déserte, non signalée sur les cartes marines, Fred Noonan est dans un état grave, ils n'ont plus d'eau. Il n'y a pas besoin de chercher d'autres preuves, d"autant que Gallagher est sûr d"avoir trouvé son squelette et qu'il est sûr qu"elle est morte de soif. C'est amplement suffisant. Parmi les objets retrouvés il y a même un pot de crème au mercure, anti tâches de rousseur, la marque qu'utilisait Amélia... Tout est clair, ce n'est plus la peine de passer des heures à chercher encore des indices. Quand à l"avion, comme tous les pilotes Amelia a cherché à l'arrimer au platier, mais elle n'avait que des cordelettes et du fil de laiton. Elle avait atterri à la fin des "mortes eaux" mais juste après son atterrissage les coefficients ont monté et 4 à 5 jours après son avion s'est décroché et il est parti au large en flottant. A plusieurs km il a commencé à couler, quand il a atteint 50m de profondeur ses réservoirs se sont écrasés et se sont rompus, la vitesse de plongée de l'avion s"est accélérée et l'avion s'est mis à planer sous l'eau et a encore parcouru plusieurs km. Il faut le chercher plus loin on aura un bon écho et on retrouvera l'avion tout entier. Voir mon site ameliaearhart.free.fr

I love the ceramic chicken art.

Any nuclear sub that still uses sea water as a cooling mechanism is doomed considered old civil war technology. Element 115 as a power source eliminates all pumps all valves all problems associated with damaging salt and pressure problems. It eliminates damaging nuclear power all together. A desalination system that collects alge as a food source has also been perfected called MANNA. If the military industrial complex can cease on destroying itself much can be learned and lives saved.

No pilot in the right mind would take off on a twenty five hundred mile overwater flight and not know a single thing about how to work the radios. Especially not back in nineteen thirty seven. The chances of her making that with newton r slim. Even if he had not been drinking Without the help of direction finding he would have to be spot on the first time. What probably happened. Was? There. Were? A bit south anyway because latitude is easy to determine its longitude which is difficult back then. So not finding hopound immediathey need to take offor somewhere or they're dead. They already are on the sunline so it's either South or North.There is nothing north so they have to go south. That means gardener. We know she was there because she was calling from there for nearly a week before expiration.

BCP is what was on 616 class

I haven't been in school recently nor have I ever had an anthropology or archeology class. However, I read and re-read "Hawaii" by Michener when I was a teenager in the 60s (in Oregon) which awakened my curiosity on these and related subjects. I remain a voracious reader. I don't remember where or when I read it, but I have been aware of a possible genetic link between Hawaiians and West Coast Native Americans for some years. Thanks for this talk. Very interestìng.

Verry interesting.

It makes no sense that they would land there some 400 miles away from Howland. They would have stayed closer to where their navigation said they should be on top of it and circled. If anybody was castaway and near death they would have left a permanent marker whether carved into a tree or stone or aluminium sheet to say "Amelia was here and the date" or even used large rocks to spell out a message to it was permanent as possible

As a pilot, if I were lost and low on fuel and out of communication, the last thing I would do would be to completely change course and just drone on for 400 more miles. They would have had to have had to have 3 plus hours of fuel.If they were "low" on fuel, that usually means less than a hour of fuel left or less. That was a given at that flight endurance. So it makes no sense to say it unless really low. This is from basic flight planning and fuel management. If you have a half hour left. You better be landing. Fuel is always a calculated burn rate, and not read off the guages which are only required to be accurate when empty. No kidding! Seriously. If I suspected I was RIGHT ON YOU, I think I would be circling with each circuit being a bigger circle and looking very hard. at 1000 feet AGL It is hard to distinguish something on the sed if there are shadows of clouds on the surface.

If only they’d gotten a board feed instead of an on-camera mic in this echoey room :/

Why did they kill her after keeping her alive for years

German U boats were very effective! Glad Germany lost WWII! Not a big fan of FASCISTS! We had much better luck in the Navy. My Uncle was a Pearl Harbor Survivor on an ammunition ship! My Great- Uncle died on a beach in Anzio, Italy. He was a Staff Sgt .in the US Army! ⚓⛵⚓🐬🐬🐬🇩🇪🇨🇭🇺🇲💙💙💙

Former President Jimmy Carter was a graduate of the US Naval Academy here in Annapolis, Maryland! He was a nuclear engineer and a submariner too! During the Three Mile Island Nuclear Power plant accident, Carter came to Middletown, Pennsylvania to check out the problems! I was fortunate to be able to work on the Jimmy Carter Summer Work Project 1994 on the Cheyenne River Sioux Reservation in Eagle Butte, South Dakota! He is an excellent carpenter too! GO NAVY! ⚓⛵⚓🇩🇪🇨🇭🇺🇲💙

I clearly remember the sinking of the Thresher! My father was a former US Navy officer and a scientist. Dad helped build the very first atomic reactors for submarines/ Admiral Rickover's program/ Westinghouse Corporation. When the Thresher was lost dad and his co- workers were understandably very concerned! It wasn't caused by the reactor but according to the Navy , some kind of cooling problem, poor welding ? Of course a loss of cooling would incapacitate the reactor , so no power ! RIP 129 lives lost !

Former President Jimmy Carter was a graduate of the US Naval Academy here in Maryland. He was a nuclear engineer and a submariner too! During the Three Mile Island accident , President Carter came to Middletown , Pennsylvania to access the situation! I felt very secure knowing he was an expert on nuclear power! Jimmy Carter has always been a hero to me! 🤗⚓⛵⚓

I clearly remember this Thresher accident! I was only a child when the Thresher sank! My father was a former US Naval officer and a scientist! Dad left the Navy and got a job at Westinghouse Corporation building atomic reactors for submarines / Admiral Rickover's program! The sinking of the Thresher is a clear memory because dad and his co- workers were very concerned about the cause of this incident! I think this happened in 1963, 7 months after the Cuban Missile Crisis. I believe 129 sailors perished !

Aloha I knew nothing about Hawaiian history until recently and only after living on Kauai Hawaii for 15 years. I spent a good amount of time traversing the Backcountry and what I found doesn't make sense. The entire Napali coast on Kauai has been "built" up. There's thousands of acres of terracing and thousands and thousands of multi ton boulders entirely above ground all over the areas terraced. I cannot imagine how they ended up there after the terracing was done. I believe they were part of the ruins, part of the original build and destroyed in 1819 by orders given by Kamahumana. The Menehune we're a real people living here and evidence is everywhere. The Tahitians conquered them and assimilated them into their society. The Mu we're also a real people who were assimilated into the Menehune society. Alex Pua on Molokai and Bruce Wichman on Kauai (both reputable people) claim this to be true. The land masses before the great deluge 12,600 years ago was much greater in Polynesia with the ocean level 450' lower. We should take another look at the ruins on Hawaii. Mahalo

My knowledge of submarines is, at best, perfunctory but so well explained was this session, I was - to my surprise - able to follow the information! Great effort, thank you.

0:15:43 The 'W' is silent, it is pronounced norrich.

When did we start using BST buoys? They are never mentioned in Thresher and Scorpion losses.

Dominick Cabal 0 seconds ago I served on the USS SNOOK SSN592 (RM) during the Cold War (80s) . Thresher (SSN593) and Scorpion (SSN589) were sister boats....