Oh no, I've already recorded them all! I think I used software mode for most of them and they seem OK looking back, but Map 10 was true colour because I recorded it later, and it pops a bit more.

Ok the final fight is actually REALLY tough. So far the hardest fight in the wad considering its such a big map and it takes 20 minutes to get to it. I want to pistol start this map like I’ve done all the others but finding out how to do this part consistently is gonna be tricky. 😂

@@PartyCrasher04 Yeah, this isn't an easy one, definitely top 3. I did get lucky with the final fight, it only took about 10 runs altogether. It probably would have taken a lot more if I didn't figure out a few cheeses on the way.

Yeah, the final fight is much harder this time around than in the original map.

Agreed, I have a strategy but that wasn't it!

Oh mate, it's an awful one. It's so much harder than the rest of the WAD, choked the final fight 3 times now.

@Flyxolydian91hope u get an exit soon.

@ Same, it's a cool map but it has some absolutely BS fights.

I do replay some of the tougher maps that I've beaten (with saves), and as you say, they do seem a lot easier than before as you've already developed the strategies to beat them. Saving definitely takes the pressure off too. This one is extemely RNG-based though, to the point where it isn't all that fun.

@Flyxolydian91I just watched @Vytaan play through this map and it was punishing. He was blitzing through maps on Cosmogenesis but this one left a mark. You did well to complete this. Thanks.

I've made it look a lot easier than it is here, a lot of these fights took a lot of trial and error to figure out good strategies for. Mostly it's about carrying over resources to the following fights to reduce the risk (the most important one being 15:50... I basically need all of my health and armour for the following fight)

Yep, it's on my list! I have 3 tough maps that all need doing (Wilou's MAP30, his MAP10 from Tangerine Nightmare, and MAP20 of the Mini-Sunder WAD). That 3rd one is very close, as I've made the final fight twice now.

Thanks! The time surprised me to be honest, wasn't expecting to be sub-40. Would love to see a speedrunner break 30 minutes on this one.

Go right ahead! Most of the fights actually become fairly trivial with this route, which is great. Probably the most important one is the odd rev/caco/cyber wing fight before the BFG, as you need to keep hold of as much health as possible going in to the BFG right.

Wouldn't surprise me, though that chaingunner wave would make it irritating to go for.

@Flyxolydian91 Wave isn't that bad actually: there is just enough time to jump into the moat and camp from there. Final fight is more perilous.

Yep, you get 5 rockets for the Arachnotron room, which punches enough of a hole to simplify things a tonne. I completely messed up here, dunno why I didn't switch to the chaingun haha. For the Archie, he can get hit with splash damage from the Cyber too, have had that happen before. It's not an easy map though, and took a while to get down.

Agreed, this and the next map are up there with the best maps in the slaughter genre.

It did take about 20 minutes of experimenting to figure it out, and it was a pure desperation move because I thought there would be way too many Hell Knights for it to work 😅 There's probably enough rocket ammo in the arena to do it though, it's not risky to go and quickly grab them before the Rev's get you.

@Flyxolydian91 I just focus on the revs and hope the HK infight with the cyber lol

@@treehouseminis Yep, that was what I did before this. Success rate went from about 10% to near enough 100% lol

And to me that strat looked like the only one from the get-go, albeit happened kinda randomly, just did it on the first try, liked the result, kept doing. Do confirm it's doable fine before the secret fight. My issues were with my bad movement, not lack of ammo 🙂 Gotta grab the rockets on the run from the switch though. As for the secret fight: fun fact: it's possible to get into the secret by SR40ing from triangular lift across the gap to the next wall section and then dropping behind the bars. It was the bars not lowering even after the fight that got me suspicious and sent me on a switch hunt. And yay! - indeed there is a normal way in 😀 Megas are placed devilishly inconvenient, trying to not pick them up while dodging stuff is like the main challenge of the fight. Liked the wad!

Yeah I'll be honest, only figured out what they did halfway through the fight when stuff kept randomly dying haha. As to the Downtown theme, not sure. They're both quite rhythm-heavy tracks, but they're in different modes (Run is B minor, and Downtown is G Phrygian by the sounds of it, gives it a more Middle-Eastern/Egyptian sound).

​@@Flyxolydian91 Knowing notes not at all & zero training hearing them, I'll take your word for it. Exact structure wasn't what I meant though, nor the tempo (obviously). It's the combo of a fat bass with eerie atmospheric vibe of some sections. Again, wouldn't call it something unique to these two tracks, rather the thing done great being rare which made the sudden connection of the two in my brain. Chances are no direct inspiration ofc., but stuff like the same era, tools, goals or common influences.

​@@Flyxolydian91 While I was listening to some more of the MIDI, I finally noticed the exact effect of the switches. I mean, I did understand they damage monsters, but only now I saw the depressions in the floor they create. Holy moly, that's not something I'd notice mid-fight even in 20 tries I think.

Thanks! It was a nice change of pace to have some gimmick fights in, mixes things up a bit 😄

Thanks, it's a great set! I really have no idea what happened with those Archviles, just had a silly moment I guess 😅

It's quite funny how this has gone from being the hardest of the 'new Sunder' maps to the third easiest, still took a few tries. No deaths in the pits, but some quite silly ones during cleanup.

@@Flyxolydian91 gl with map20

Yep, UV. There's only one Cyber in the final fight because this is basically mini-Sunder, and he got killed by the Hell Knights.

@@Flyxolydian91 maybe it's an older version then, the cybers and total amount of enemies I am facing under UV is higher (of sfpw wad of)

@@Flyxolydian91 your enemies on this run are 498, updated ultra violence wad got 473 total for map32 something different/wrong : ) under UV the final area has 371/473 you got 390/498

@@blob1024 I just redownloaded it from IDGames, and it has the same version of map 32 as what I ran here (479 enemies, 1 Cyber in the final fight). Not sure what's happening I'm afraid 😅

@@blob1024 Ah... Lost Souls. I'm playing GZDoom and it counts them.

The number of times I got caught by a rebounded rocket going for this... wonder if it's just a GZDOOM thing?

It was less than you'd think to be honest. The only real difficult fights are the beginning and final fight, and it only took 2 runs up to the ending... got extremely lucky though!

No TAS here, only about 50 attempts to get lucky 😅

Yep, sounds about right. I've got consistent strategies for about 80% of the fights, but there's 3 that are RNG-based: The plasma room The spectre/archvile room (this is the WORST) Final fight Not having a backpack is what makes these as hard as they are.

Cheers man! Just wish I could figure out how to wallride, there's a monster time there 😬

@@Flyxolydian91 Wallrunning is disabled in gzdoom. AFAIK, it's impossible to turn it on. So DSDA it is, if you wish to improve the time 🙂

@@andreylong1869 Really? I can wallrun on some maps, just not this one, unless that's something that Bauul deliberately did?

​@@Flyxolydian91 To my knowledge - yes. And I haven't been able to wallrun ever in GZ, including when I deliberately tried it to get a secret in a map which required it, which sparked investigation into the question. On the other hand, when I used Eternity Engine to play Heartland and occasionally wallran on some bridge, I knew immediately and without any doubt I was wallrunning, so massive is the speed boost. So my assumption is your perception might have played tricks on you on some occasions, made you think you wallran when you didn't.

@@andreylong1869 Now I'm sure of it, I've definitely managed to wallrun on GZ, as I did it a couple of times during the secret fight of the map I posted last night: kzbin.info/www/bejne/j4Gxp2ehnZWBhbc About 48:45 in. Wasn't planning to mind, survival was the main objective at that point 😅

To be honest, I can't remember the original final fight, but I know that you have the BFG for it at least. Also, oops for leaving a death in. I kinda flew through these first 10 levels, so an easy mistake to make!

@@Flyxolydian91 Exactly, BFG & more space, so sudden surrounds aren't that much of a problem. Perceived that death as a plot twist / sort of 'yes, we all do it' jokingly message 🙂

Final fight you just rocket spam and pray that the archviles stay in the middle. I think there are 4 of them? So long as you kill 2 of them you’ll probably be ok even if the other 2 get out. Also take advantage of infighting, if you can’t take them out immediately.

Yep, hit the nail on the head. I'm fairly sure I started doing that because I got sick of resetting every level on easier WADs. At times it actively makes things harder because of the lack of auto-switch, and past a certain point I don't find it any easier than pistol-starting.

@@Flyxolydian91 Guess DSDA didn't exist back then 🙂

Replying on my other account but it did (I’ve only been playing DOOM for a couple of years), I’m just lazy and stick with GZDoom!

​@@Flyxolydian91 ​ @Flyxolydian Totally relatable 🙂 Guess it's GZ then accountable for brightness alteration as well? Thought initially it's some recording/post-processing thing. Use 10% boost myself 'cause I don't like when I can't see anything in some maps. Doesn't really add to gameplay, only wastes time IMO.

@@andreylong1869 Yeah, I've adjusted the lighting a bit now so there's a bit more colour/contrast. I went through a phase of playing very dark maps, which made it a nightmare to see anything 😅

Maybe two? It's very much a game of using the crushers to stall their movement, making it easier to guide them around.

@@Flyxolydian91 Impressive. I tried approaching it more aggressively, establish a foothold in various places. 20-30 attempts later I essentially reverted to initial plan of kiting, pretty much the same as yours, just with some RL firing.

@@andreylong1869 I thought about playing more aggressively, but dem crushers tho.

Oh yeah, there're some fights that are now tougher than their respective in the source material (and some that are so much easier it's laughable). Can't fault the visuals at all, SCF absolutely nailed them to a T.

@@Flyxolydian91 My impression as well. I definitely don't remember some fights to be THAT difficult in OG. And some are clear jokes now.

It is very interesting, have you played through Sunder yet? it'd be best to do so before watching this, there's a few little jokes that come up!

@Flyxolydian91 I am happy to watch this despite not playing Sunder yet. I have given up on avoiding videos of WADs I had not played as I don't play blind and had played so few WADs. Thanks for the warning!

First, fair play for watching the video through, it's a long one! Appreciate it. As to the BFG, I'm playing a mock pistol-start (continuous, but can't use each weapon until I pick it up), and you don't get the BFG until the final area. Why? Honestly, because I just couldn't be bothered to do a pistol start for each level when I started doing that, and it's a fun little challenge of its own.

@@Flyxolydian91 Ah ok. It surprised me as when you used it you used it well. As you know the BFG is quirky but you have great instincts for using it. The video is great, these are proper challenging maps. Well done. Thanks!

@@improversgaming Yeah, it's a very tough pack towards the end. Comparable with late-game Sunlust I'd say, maps 29 and the two 30's are absolute monsters. Are you still playing, even casually?

It's the config that I use to play. If you don't like it, you're more than welcome to do one 👍

Honestly, I didn't have any issues with ammo on this one. Infighting for the win 😎

@@Flyxolydian91 I had a few comments that others ran out of ammo in places. You just need to let the cybers do everything ha

@@treehouseminis I'm honestly a bit surprised at that. Pretty sure I had ammo left over even during my blind run haha!