it is misaligned front and rear sprockets and possibly lose / worn chain.
@donberman52696 ай бұрын
Thanks for the great lesson Scott!! Is there a part 2?
@np4810 Жыл бұрын
did you ever find out what the problem was?
@chrisbrymer69 Жыл бұрын
Is this still available to run?
@SWriverstone Жыл бұрын
Hi Chris-no, unfortunately for paddlers but good for the environment, the coal-fired power plant that "fueled" this whitewater course was shut down...so the course is dry now. :-(
@philipnestor5034 Жыл бұрын
Hi Scott, Excellent video! I studied for a while with Arnie Lang and he then sent me to Buster. He was also a great teacher. It’s funny, that he would tell me how he really wanted to be a circus drummer. He had antique circus posters in his house. I had all these hand written exercises he would write out for me , this was before he put out his book which I have. I’m glad you’re showing this with matched grip since that’s what I use.
@jjadaddy Жыл бұрын
I'm no expert, but if there wasn't any audio, I'd look at this and interpret this technique as a, " Low Moeller". One stroke, and multiple rebounds.
@jamesmallard3386 Жыл бұрын
I paddled down it one time when it was still being set up for boating.
@TheTurkishBull Жыл бұрын
Many greetings from Turkey, nice video 😊
@javiernunton4117 Жыл бұрын
Geat technique...hope to see the 2nd part soon. Thanks
@louiscarrillo5873 Жыл бұрын
amazing lesson. thank you so much. when i watch Jim Keltner or Vinnie playing, i notice no tension in their writs . i know they are other techniques including gladstone or moeller for the whip in their or the free stroke. But i notice they do pick it up and they release all tension from the wrist. all of it. this technique as far as i can tell releases all tension from the wrist which i take to mean results in very little shock into the hand on impact which can give dynamic control and longetivity for the drumset application.. these guys last a long time and no injury from stress repetitive motions. This technique youve shown addresses that tension in the wrist and seeks to remove it. so crucial. your hands are amazing. thanks again. i am trying these exercises you shown.and focusing on them. thanks again.
@jeffreymilarsky32462 жыл бұрын
Long time Scott! Excellent demo with super clear demonstrations of Buster's sound and technique. Wonderful
@SuperDrumsforever2 жыл бұрын
Amazing lesson.
@andreaskienzle31762 жыл бұрын
Wow sehr 👍 erklärt und gezeigt danke für dieses Video danke
@vincentbuonora84772 жыл бұрын
Down stroke followed by two low level bounces or more…follow rebound bounce with wrist…thanks
@elvingioven2 жыл бұрын
about the vol.2?
@biodhya10802 жыл бұрын
Ok I m tryin to see the analogies with Murray spivack/Wilson
@D3liverance132 жыл бұрын
Your delivery and material are outstanding. I found this video through your thread about learning drumset as a classically trained percussionist. I noticed that you haven't been active there or here with more drum material. I hope you've found time to work on your set playing if that's still a priority for you. I was really curious to see how your development went based on your perspective in that thread. Did you end up exploring anything by Jojo Mayer further? Some of the techniques he explores on Secret Weapons part 1 seem similar to what you're describing here, but Bailey applied the idea to everything. I'm probably missing some nuance from just the brief intro, but it's great to have more excellent videos that practice this technique and aren't behind a paywall like Drumeo or a streaming DVD.
@dylanmoffitt70982 жыл бұрын
Hi Scott, I was pleasantly surprised by your video entering my feed. Your explanation and demonstration of the technique was beautiful and impressive and I’m glad that this information is now becoming available. A book like wrist twisters is a whole different experience combined with a description of the technique used to teach the exercises. Thank you for that. When you said that you had tried other techniques, I’m just curious what those were? Thank again for these videos!
@ericconvey2 жыл бұрын
Add another vote in favor of gifting us with a second Bailey video! -with gratitude for the first
@vincentnicosia53742 жыл бұрын
This lone video has helped me relax more than any other lesson I've ever had. I'm ready for the next lesson sir..
@davidfitcher29532 жыл бұрын
Thank you! It’s a very natural exercise, I felt so comfortable when I was practicing it
@michaelmaraschky9963 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this great video. I hope to work on this and the wrist buster exercises. I met Buster one time at IU in the 70's. Such a kind man. Buster studied with my teacher Bob Matson at Julliard and spoke very highly of him. There was a story once that Buster auditioned once for Mr Matson as he was unavailable. The point being that one Goodman student was as good as another.
@zenkyjugo78882 жыл бұрын
Thanks,,,very good lesson...
@emmanouilseferos9433 жыл бұрын
Amazing ! Reminds me “wax on wax off” from karate kid but so so true !
@RonaldRumRaisin3 жыл бұрын
The smooth, creamy technique
@flfl93233 жыл бұрын
Ok if you really studied with the one and only Buster Bailey then why does it take you over 6 yrs to make another video 🤣🤣
@Paulswindellsdrummer3 жыл бұрын
I'm on a somewhat hand technique binge, found your video today excellent stuff! Would also love to see a part 2! 😄 Thankyou
@eliasguitare3 жыл бұрын
Cant wait for the part TWO! 🤞🏻 great content, hope to get to see you soon in a next video
@ryancox50974 жыл бұрын
Never thought I'd be calling someone out for having their pinky *ON* the stick.
@StartdrummingDe4 жыл бұрын
For me this looks like a more controlled form of the moeller technique. I hope there will be a second video. And I also hope you will explane an show us the benefits of this technique. Appreciate your Lesson and kind regards!
@vincentbuonora84774 жыл бұрын
Wonderful demonstration. Looks like a Light Moeller Movement. Really calms me down when I do your exercises. So relaxed. Every concert and jazz drummer should be aware of this in the light manner you perform it....Has changed my movement towards the snare and rest of drum set. Any opinion on the ride cymbal up-tempo techniques? Thanks.
@edsoph70064 жыл бұрын
"Drop -throw" looks like polite Moeller!
@ryanwestmoreland334 жыл бұрын
did you ever find out what the problem was?
@np4810 Жыл бұрын
did you fix it ?
@lukegregg59444 жыл бұрын
Part 2 please this was excellent and very informative!
@carlosacg64 жыл бұрын
Beautifully explained. I would love to see a second part!
@steveknopp83604 жыл бұрын
It looks like hes using finger control alittle. But he said shouldn't use it because it's not a good way to control the stick. I see morelllo, bellson and rich use finger control. I dont think it's a bad technique for speed?
@steveknopp83604 жыл бұрын
If u do a solo u normal feel tension going from Tom's to cymbals. So how do you stay relaxed and use this technique
@tipofelice4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Scott for your willingness to share. Enjoyed the lesson.
@Sazoel_4 жыл бұрын
It's just the Moeller technique with the tea finger 😂😂
@Sazoel_4 жыл бұрын
If you don't use the pinky for nothing cut it and throw away 😂😂
@Sazoel_4 жыл бұрын
The tea finger
@cryptonios4 жыл бұрын
i vouch for the second part
@s1sters1184 жыл бұрын
Not sure what I think of this? to me the throw looks like the free stroke , the drops a little like the notes you get for nothing when doing moeller technique but unlike moeller it doesn't seem to be something you can do in a circular fashion just on one hand (unless that comes in a future lesson?) …..like the moeller though it doesn't seem to be a very even stroke as you get an accent from the main throw note...… and being relaxed is definitely always a good thing but I have to say after 20 odd years or however long this guy said he'd been doing this I have to say he doesn't seem to be flying with this in terms of speed...… I've seen a clip somewhere on KZbin of an ex pupil of Freddie Gruber demonstrating a method where you have to feel the weight of the stick transfer to either end of the stick to give a kind of pendulum /perpetual motion type of feel and that seem to produce a much evener stroke (again the idea being minimum input maximum output same as this ) but with much greater speed......maybe something in future lessons with this will change my mind but so far the Freddie Gruber seems far superior
@theclowncoredrummer26723 жыл бұрын
In my experience, speed isn't really a problem. At a certain point, you transition from singles into double strokes, and this technique makes that transition alot cleaner than others. I don't use this as my primary grip, but still incorporate it into my practice, because of this.
@sandro530164 жыл бұрын
Can’t wait for part 2!!
@HenkJanDrums4 жыл бұрын
Gives new and additional insights in techniques like Moeller, rebound, finger control, push pull and grip. Thanks for the demonstration and lesson.
@cjklz4 жыл бұрын
O.k Scott, I have been practicing this exercise for 5 years now, I think I'm ready for a new one.
@DaveGoodman4 жыл бұрын
Hi Scott, thanks so very much for posting this video. I have a copy of Buster Bailey's "Wrist Twisters" book on its way to me, and I'd like to contact you regarding Skype lessons (I'm in Australia). I can't see any contact information on your channel here, and so I'm wondering if there's a URL or an email address you wouldn't mind publishing here (or you can contact me through the contacts on my channel) so that I may get in touch with you about this? Thanks very much, and I hope to hear from you soon. All the very best from Sydney, Australia, Dave Goodman.
@SWriverstone4 жыл бұрын
Okay-the demand for a followup video is close to critical mass, LOL. which means I'm closer to actually doing it! As a preview, here are some of the things I'm considering for a next video (or series of videos): the "right" way to play flams-which is playing them like what they are: grace notes (including more throw-drop exercises incorporating flams); multiple bounce rolls (as opposed to "crush" or "buzz" rolls); and a concept that Buster Bailey really emphasized, which he characterized as "feeling the weight go from side to side," or in other words, always practicing a relaxed back and forth from right to left (in terms of sticking)-with the goal of making your weaker hand as relaxed and capable as your stronger hand.
@cjklz4 жыл бұрын
You ar so wanted. Thank god, I really started to worry if you where o.k. You ar the only one able to show this technique properly as far as I know. I assume it is the technique that comes closest to drummers like Tony Williams for example. only he holds he's sticks at the back. (kzbin.info/www/bejne/q3eme6aVjNumfZY ). The wrist seems to be key. It's very important for me to be able to play along and watch you playing, while practicing this technique. So I watch't this video every time when I practice or warm up. Rick Dior his you tube Channel is my favorite: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nXrLg6BrgMmLqJY I believe he also study't with C Elden Bailey. I recently send him a request to check your video and maybe explain more. But Scott is back so i'l be waiting for that notification bell to ring. That would be, Well..you know.... kzbin.info/www/bejne/nXrLg6BrgMmLqJY Thanks Scott. This one video was crucial to help my study.
@andreabdrums4 жыл бұрын
Hallo, your first video was greatly helpful and I'd love to see a following one. The information you gave is so precious - and almost impossible to find so clearly explained!
@MattMusicianX4 жыл бұрын
Hey Scott. Sounds cool! Now would be a great time with all the staying indoors and whatnot. That last concept (shifting weight) sounds amazing. I would love to see, hear, and learn about that!!!! I feel like my diminuendos are 10x better after practicing the ideas from this video of yours over the years (as well my wrists being more relaxed). So I'm also curious about Buster's approach to the crescendos in Wrist Twisters, with one hand especially, like his RRRL & LLLR exercises towards the beginning of the book. Hope all is well with you!
@DaveGoodman4 жыл бұрын
I can’t stop coming back to this video of yours, Scott. I hope you’re staying well, and I’m really looking forward to seeing Part II, when it’s ready. Inexplicably, I’m intrigued and mesmerized by Mr Bailey’s snare drumming more than just about anything else I’ve ever heard in music, and anything you can offer in explaining and demystifying his approach will be greatly appreciated. All the best, Dave in Sydney.
@caniplaydrumsforyou3 жыл бұрын
Man, forget a follow up video - you need to make a whole library! This is pure gold man! You can't deprive the world of this information!!! Get to it!!!!!!
@jwfatgruv14 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video. I just have to point out that you might as well be playing Traditional grip because your grip between both hands is completely different. Your right hand looks like the fulcrum is just behind the first knuckle of your index finger & your pinky finger is definitely on the stick. Your left hand clearly has the fulcrum in the first joint of the middle finger, your index finger is pointing straight down, and your pinky finger is pointing straight down as well. Also. in the rebound exercises you are quite obviously using your fingers. Which is correct because you can't get 9 bounces from the stick without using your fingers, but you should be clear about that.
@SWriverstone4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Jim-interesting comments. I agree that my hands aren’t 100% identical. I doubt anyone’s are since we all have stronger & weaker hands. But I’m still far from traditional grip, which (as you know) uses a completely different wrist motion. As for using my fingers, while my fingers may be moving up and down with the part of the stick that’s behind the fulcrum, this is a very different technique than the Morello or other finger techniques. With those techniques, you *deliberately* use your fingers to consciously pull up on the stick-or put differently, those are “finger driven” techniques. I’m not doing that-at least not anywhere near the extent you would in those other techniques. This is still a rebound energy-driven technique, and my wrists are still very relaxed and following the rebound of the stick. Admittedly as you play faster a lot of this stuff gets “blurred” and it’s harder to tell what’s happening. The important thing about the Bailey technique is the mindset as much as anything else-which is keeping your wrists completely relaxed. Please understand that I don’t suggest the Bailey technique is superior to all other techniques. It’s effective for me and some others, but it’s just one of several techniques out there. 👍
@jwfatgruv14 жыл бұрын
@@SWriverstone Thank you so much for the reply! I did not intend any disrespect, I appreciate your willingness to share the knowledge. I had the great good fortune to study technique with Richard Wilson & Murray Spivak here in L.A.. I'm sure you're familiar with those guys & understand all the connections back to Billy Gladstone. I'm an old guy, started with Trad. grip, switched to matched for 20+ years, now have switched back to Trad. 10 years ago at the suggestion of Jeff Hamilton. Making the switch from Trad. to matched and back to Trad has given me an interesting perspective on the 2 grips. Thanks again for the reply! I would love to be able to have a continued dialog with you. All the best!
@SWriverstone4 жыл бұрын
@@jwfatgruv1 No disrespect taken Jim-we're just talking and sharing ideas! :-) And the truth is, I actually don't know much about the techniques of old-school folks like Billy Gladstone, and I'd like to learn more. In my case, I just thought I had a clue how to play until I went to Juilliard and started studying with Buster, and he pretty much tore down everything I was doing and built it up from scratch again. :-)
@aBachwardsfellow5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Scott - very helpful! I'm a "returning" percussionist - having not played for some time, I'm basically "starting over" from scratch. I've been perusing the web and finding all kinds of approaches. I think I'm understanding the genius of this approach - it seems to address the two extremes you mention - an overly wrist-muscled approach, and a quasi-tense finger-control (so-called "open-close") in which there is too much looseness in the grip as well as tension / inefficient use of the fingers. Mr. Bailey seems to circumvent both by starting with a very relaxed approach and very incrementally adding only the least amount of control that is needed - brilliant! It does seem - as another commentor indicated - that around 15:30 there has been that incremental addition of finger control (without resorting to a tense, over-worked open-close action) to regulate the evenness of spacing and volume - yes ? Could you please confirm that, while not devolving into a tense and extreme "open-close" finger technic, yet a quiet evolution into just slightly more finger control is needed when "following the rebound" to "finish" the technic? Having your clarification would be most helpful to me, as I would want to be able to produce a series of notes which are exactly spaced and of even volume rather than simply following a decaying rebound. Most eagerly awaiting your response - and most appreciative of what you have given us here! Thank you!
@SWriverstone4 жыл бұрын
Hi aBachwardsfellow - delayed reply here - I can tell the whole "fingers v. wrist" question is bugging a lot of people. :-) And I see why-when watching myself (on the video) or even watching someone else, it's not easy to tell how much of each stroke is coming from fingers, wrist, or what percentages of each? Regarding your desire to play a series of notes/taps that are the same dynamic level, I'd say that to achieve this, I would definitely only use my wrist. At no time do I ever revert to a "mostly finger" or "all finger" technique (that is, I never just loosen the fulcrum and use only my fingers to drive each tap). Honestly, I rarely (if ever) practice playing a constant stream of equally loud notes-because to me, it's just not very musical (there are few places in music where you'd ever want to do that). I'm always trying to give shape to what I'm playing-focusing on phrasing (and on drums, phrasing largely consists of varying your dynamic level). To your other question-whether as I speed up I might evolve into slightly more finger control-I'd say "maybe just a little?" I like to think of my fingers like soft "springs" under the stick: after you throw the tip down, when the stick rebounds, your fingers act a bit like a gentle spring to control that rebound. And I use the spring analogy because what your fingers do is passive-not active. (You should actively being *trying* to use your fingers to move the stick up or down-motion and energy comes from your wrist.)
@aBachwardsfellow4 жыл бұрын
@@SWriverstone - wow ! - thanks Scott - very helpful! I think the main point at which I'm thinking of playing a series of notes at the same dynamic level is playing two re-bounded as in a double stroke - where I'd want the second stroke to be equal to the first - and this would be occurring at a speed faster than the wrist could accommodate. But I think the discussion may be nearly moot at that point since it would be mostly indistinguishable. I've seen a few youtubes where the rebound control is very (overly!) active and which, while it seems to achieve the desired effect for the player who's showing it, it's definitely not a very natural stroke as compared to what you've shown. The "soft-spring" effect is exactly what you're showing, and I think it's also the key point of Bailey's technical approach - thanks again for sharing it so aptly. I like that you mentioned you like to shape the notes more than playing them all identically - that seems much more musical. I've been working with Ravel's "Bolero" and am wondering how much shaping would be appropriate/"allowable" - could there be an ever so slight swell in the triplets ending on the following 1/8th note? I think in your last sentence you may have meant to have a "not" in there somewhere - ? i.e. "(You should *not* actively being trying to use your fingers to move the stick up or down-motion and energy comes from your wrist.)" - or, "(You should actively being trying *not* to use your fingers to move the stick up or down-motion and energy comes from your wrist.) ? - :-) Thanks again for your well-stated response - and again for this rare and well-presented video - MUCH appreciated!
@SWriverstone4 жыл бұрын
@@aBachwardsfellow Glad it was helpful! And yes, I did mean to have a "not" in that last sentence. :-)