that’s what makes it worth reading

Frederick Nietzsche

@@jacobkruger9345 Thanks 🙏 appreciate that

Or you could fuck off out of playing God and let the chips fall where they may.

Try Haldol

@@ttt69420 😄

Whatever helps you cope

If you want to make a point, even if it is an anti-truth, you should at least know how to spell properly. You should also know more about what you are claiming, and be able to present your case with proof. Nice try though ! ^-^

@@murphynick1995 All legal records, that are proven. Yuo can find links to the cases in the article titled "Canada's Courts rule on Jordan Peterson: "As close to 'junk science' as anything that I have ever been asked to consider" Ontario and Manitoba courts were unsparing in their assessment rejecting Peterson's "expert" testimony. And it's a pattern when it comes to Peterson's pronouncements". The College of Psychologiy case can be read in the article titled "Ontario court rules against Jordan Peterson, upholds social media training order Court released decision Wednesday, Peterson says he will take the training and broadcast it" and "Court dismisses Jordan Peterson's request to challenge order he undergo media training Psychologist says Ontario college is trying to 'undermine' his reputation and remove licence" This is undebatable and unchangeable FACT. Time to stop ignoring his actions

@murphynick1995 no anti truth it is all legal records and undebatable. Time to deal with it.

He always blames liberals even 😢they are the only ones who will actually DO anything about solving these problems. I don’t understand Chomsky’s constantly ignoring all the horrific things that republicans do when they are the ones with zero compassion.

I agree with you that it's probably unnecessary, but it's because that's the setting in which the critique is weighed and thus probably the easiest way to articulate the points. Because it's specifically the setting in which the author placed the narrator. It makes no difference if the broader questions, critique of rationalism, are ubiquitous. I guess if you're a marxist you'll just have to listen to a different lecture, but the core of socialism is really one of the most apt examples of the way in which this pathetic mouse gets his revenge.

​@@susansmiles2630I think you've entirely missed the point of this book. Why do anything? What is a problem? Who are you to play the keys?

@@ttt69420 Thanks for the feedback. What was it that you liked about the book? How did it speak to you?

@@ttt69420 thanks for the well reasoned and articulated comment! You're ultimately right I think, as you mention it's very much relevant to the setting/time, and like I mentioned in the original comment the references to the crystal palace / cherneshevsky make socialist ideas fair game. It was a while ago I wrote the comment, looking at it now I'm chalking it up to my general aversion towards politics. Like I said I think there's a lot of stuff in the book that can speak directly to members of any given society. I might've been worried about the broader messages getting lost on those who'd reflexively dismiss these lectures due to being a certain sort of partisan. Then again I don't think a marxist would give JP's thoughts the time of day to begin with lol.

The Gambler 1974 found it

But then isn’t denying our human impulses, denying what makes us human? Not trying to be contrarian, just a genuine question.

@@Kevin_Eleven11 it’s a good question. The fact of the matter is that humans are a fallen being. Indulging in what “makes us human” often leads to poor results as those choices are generally selfish and unconcerned with consequences. The human animal is only concerned with satisfaction, survival, and reproduction. Denying ourselves of these pleasures in pursuit of higher and ultimately more rewarding goals leads to a happier more fulfilling life. For instance, if you are married, and find out that an attractive girl is flirting with you. The natural man would have you go along with it and have you cheat on your wife for the temporary satisfaction of an affair. Denying that impulse may have you miss out on the temporary satisfaction and excitement, but will protect your future of a more stable and long term happiness in a loving marriage. One could argue that these lusts are just part of human nature, and to deny them would be denying our humanity, but it is better for us, for our families, and for society as a whole if we deny those parts of ourselves. I hope that makes sense.

@@Kevin_Eleven11one could in reason say yes and that would be the point. Having a sincere aspiration to rise above the human, understanding the human and correcting e moving beyond it. That is the goal of most disciplines not only Mystical

Lol, Jews

Crime and Punishment. Notes from underground. The brothers Karamazov. The idiot. Demons. Notes from a dead house. You'll notice that's 6 but he doesn't list notes from a dead house.

The first 4 are: Crime and Punishment, The Idiot, The Brothers Karamazov and Demons. I'm not sure if he means The Adolescent or Notes from Underground as the fifth

He didn't mentioned The Meek One (or The Gentle One), also a great novel. It is a study of narcissism from the side of the narcissist. It is a warning tale of how not be.

Whatever your views on the Bolshevic Revolution and the aftermath, one thing is certain: There are far more interesting and scholarly voices in the world on Russian history and Dostoevsky than Jordan Peterson

And his point is that you can never satisfy material needs. Once you do something always comes up. Man is never satisfied, he is born to strive for one thing on another. There can never be an utopia where man has everything he needs, such a thing would drive him mad so to speak because it is the nature of man. in critiquing the Revolution, he is not attacking their premise of giving the people a better life, but their belief that communism would bring about an utopia. whether or not the revolution achieved communism or utopia is another story.

Such as?

You people seem to have trouble understanding that he is reiterating the sentiments of the narrator within a novel. His personal thoughts on the revolution, and the propaganda used within it, are irrelevant, as are yours. You seem to also forget that this idea of socialism was contentious enough to erupt in civil war. Not with the Tsarists but with other working class Russians. The fact that you have to regurgitate propaganda slogans and appeal to war and famine as a way of feeling good about being on the side of authoritarian piano playing really is the entire point of this book. Dostoyevsky is a liberal. Just read someone else if that bothers you.

Like what?

This argument always hilarious to me because the socialist intellectual simultaneously pretends that they're beyond this influence, and that they're justified in *actually* physically coercing people if need be, since they're already apparently being controlled.

​@@YashArya01 Lol right.

Neither of them have a thing to do with our lack of free will. That's just blaming your problem on some system. The problem is always the person looking back at you from the mirror. Nothing to do with capitalism communism Marxism socialism Nazism or orga-- ok... Maybe that last one is part of the problem. But not the rest.

I would start with something more beginner friendly as the book you are looking into is about 800 pages and will require weeks if not months of dedication at a beginners level. I would suggest the prince by machiavelli if youre interested in readings of this quality. Also if trying to create a solid foundation to approach this reading level the prince is a great book. Do more research on it if interested!

Start with "the grand inquisitor ", how mankind fears freedom and prefers other ways

@@Rk-bh4xnfirst book I read was the prince i do not recommended it, it’s a tough read

Bros Karam. Is probably the heaviest possible reading imaginable notes from underground and c & p are probably more accessible.

Yo momma is

How is he hateful? Elaborate

Then why are you here? Who/what do you like?

@@billySquanto intelligent people like Gilles Deleuze and Sam Vaknin

@@bobsbigboy_ well the Gilles dude clearly liked to jump to conclusions

How?

What makes you think anything you've ever heard about North Korea through western media is even close to being accurate?

is this comment a joke

How is north Korea an utopia, and how are the people living in said utopia tired of it and rebelling?

I mean we literally have an oil cartel in our world. The largest poultry producer quadrupled its profits in the US by hiking its prices even though there was no reason to. They claimed avian flu but not a single bird of their was affected. Too many times corporate greed rather than necessary need of the consumer that drives a capitalist economy. In fact, capitalism sustains itself by creating demand where none exists

I'd argue companies set top-down prices while considering prices of LOTS of other things, in which case their prices are causally connected to everything else, and so is just as hard to predict

@@jakebrowning2373 Their largest consideration being their shareholder's pocketbooks because greed controls everything in this society. Jordan "Benzodiazepines" Peterson isn't a grifter I'd be putting any stock into.

​@@lucasottens8506What's your phd in? And what's wrong with benzos??

​@@lucasottens8506 ah yes, you're the enlightened selfless person above everyone else. have you build a company? do you paid your employee more than yourself as the owner? interested to know whether you actually do what you preach.

The Gambler 1974

@@johngordon3805 thank you