Well they weren't sure they were getting a season 4 so they had to act like it was the final season

Sam stated that if pike was there he doesn’t think Scanlan would have left. Pike was there in the animated show so he didn’t leave.

Or spending like 2 full episodes of Kima and Allura lol

tbf they preferred this version too, the one in the show was a compromise made because amazon didn't renew them until they had statistics for season 3's performance, so they had to rewrite most of the season to make the season finale also a series finale and I quote from an interview with Sam: In the series, the scene plays out much differently, by design. “Making a TV show is tricky because you want to put it all in there, and definitely we wanted to honor that moment, but the season has to end,” Riegel explains. “We don’t know if we’re ever going to make another season of this show or another episode of this show, and the way that it worked out, the last scene of the [The Legend of Vox Machina] could’ve been Scanlan saying ‘Fuck you’ to everybody and leaving, which didn’t seem like a really great way to end the show. So we adapted it into something that I think is still bittersweet and holds the intention of that moment, but if we ever do get further, future seasons, we have plans to honor that moment in a different way.”

They didn't cut it out, now that they are confirmed to have more seasons they'll work it in later. They were making this season to be sort of final because they didn't know if they were going to get renewed.

@@dorianrisse4079 i don't think so, but i hope you are right

@@dorianrisse4079I mean even if that is true, this ALL happened before their time skip where everyone left for a year and it made sense also as they had tarrington in the campaign go to hell for pikes plate and the party HATED him, we aren’t going to get that at all now. Also, that moment finally allowed Scanlan too dump his trauma onto the group about how they were just using them… except Grog and Pike 😢😢 Ossysa in the SHOW tells him his biggest fault is no one cared about him and they just walked over the biggest arc of scanlans character,just horrible planning. Even if you do have to end your series you stick to your roots or do some planning so that’s not the last ep, their was a lot of dumb fluff in this third season that was unnecessary. Just super disappointing and it’s not like I think it’s going to get better. This is truly scaring me for the mighty nein as they have showed they want to stick to cannon “somewhat”

In a different article, he said it just wouldn't make sense for scanlan to be pissed off anyway.

okay so we still might get an emotional outburst at least, i hope they can continue it.

​@@Axel_KasaiExcept it makes perfect sense. Scanlan was upset about his daughter and Vex literally screams "Who tf cares?!" He's been the butt of every joke since season one. They wasted an entire episode+ on keyleth doing a simple scry spell when they showed Ripley actively using the scrying eye. They wasted animation time on shoehorning in zerxus for no reason. They could have easily done A bards lament. They just chose not to even knowing how much fans were looking forward to it. Its a defining moment in the campaign. Without going through that, the characters aren't even the same people. It makes no sense NOT to do it.

except there wasn't really any better point in the story to put it, they wrote themselves into a corner here, Scanlan is already working through his shit, he already "died",, he already left, and the entire crew is now split up so who would even be there for him to get mad at? Better yet, what would that mean for Tary? We just not getting Tary? They can't make another death scene for Scanlan in season 4 with a good amount of buildup and payoff and still have time to do the rest of the actual season 4 story but that's the saddest part, this corner they're in is one they can easily walk out of by simply deciding not to adapt the scene at all, problem solved all because they wanted to play it safe

​@@transientanus Did you even read what Sam said? A version of it is going to happen in season 4, chill out... It just didn't make sense to have it at the end of season 3 in case it was to be the actual finale, and that's a perfectly valid reason. Also, remember that the people who played the characters are literally in the writer's room. If there is a moment that they feel wouldn't fit in the story they want to tell, it's their choice, not ours, and we have to trust them that at the very least, they are content with what they come up with.

Interview for Paste Magazine, October 24, 2024. Sam says the following regarding the lament: “Making a TV show is tricky because you want to put it all in there, and definitely we wanted to honor that moment, but the season has to end. We don’t know if we’re ever going to make another season of this show or another episode of this show, and the way that it worked out, the last scene of the [The Legend of Vox Machina] could’ve been Scanlan saying ‘Fuck you’ to everybody and leaving, which didn’t seem like a really great way to end the show. So we adapted it into something that I think is still bittersweet and holds the intention of that moment, but if we ever do get further, future seasons, we have plans to honor that moment in a different way.”

It was most definitely not building up to this moment. This would've been an insult to Pike, who's been caring for Scanlan this entire season, and it would've made Scanlan into a straight up hypocrite, since the team never even held him accountable for not being there when Percy died (they could've, I was waiting for Vex to lash out, but even she didn't). Sam also said the following in a recent interview about the Lament: “Making a TV show is tricky because you want to put it all in there, and definitely we wanted to honor that moment, but the season has to end. We don’t know if we’re ever going to make another season of this show or another episode of this show, and the way that it worked out, the last scene of the [The Legend of Vox Machina] could’ve been Scanlan saying ‘Fuck you’ to everybody and leaving, which didn’t seem like a really great way to end the show. So we adapted it into something that I think is still bittersweet and holds the intention of that moment, but if we ever do get further, future seasons, we have plans to honor that moment in a different way.”

​@@frenchtantanIt was absolutely building up to that moment and denying the evidence literally in front of your eyes is just dumb.

​@@transientanus Okay then, what was the build-up? 'Cause apart from my previous arguments, there are also elements missing from the campaign, like the promise to Kaylie and the team treating him like shit (apart from Vex).

And "what if pike was literally anything completely different character resembling nothing like her original self".

Hard disagree about the build-up. Pike cared about Scanlan too much for this, and even the rest of the team didn't lash out about him being absent when Percy died, and they definitely could've. On the contrary, I feel like they built AWAY from it. As a non-campaign viewer, seeing some variation of the lament at the end of S3 as it is, I would've been "Wow, Scanlan is an asshole and a hypocrite, screw him". Not a great idea. And Sam agrees it seems as it was the idea, here's an interview for Paste Magazine from October 24, 2024. He says the following regarding the lament: “Making a TV show is tricky because you want to put it all in there, and definitely we wanted to honor that moment, but the season has to end. We don’t know if we’re ever going to make another season of this show or another episode of this show, and the way that it worked out, the last scene of the [The Legend of Vox Machina] could’ve been Scanlan saying ‘Fuck you’ to everybody and leaving, which didn’t seem like a really great way to end the show. So we adapted it into something that I think is still bittersweet and holds the intention of that moment, but if we ever do get further, future seasons, we have plans to honor that moment in a different way.”

they've even been building to it in seasons 1 and 2 as well, Scanlan has never been treated seriously until season 3, but unfortunately they felt the need to change the back half of the season to fit this new version of the ending, like everyone suddenly being kind to him after dismissing him all show and saying nobody cares about his problems in the first half of the season, it feels like the Whitestone fight must've been the turning point where they started editing his arc, because that absolutely felt like it was going to be setup for at least Vex to be even more pissed at him (since she especially has been the most demeaning to him all show and especially this season), but then she ended up not even really commenting on it I could honestly feel the differences in the second half, a lot of the choices, even beside Scanlan's stuff, were made in the interest of accelerating toward an early series finale, since they didn't have confirmation of season 4 being greenlit yet

Interview for Paste Magazine, October 24, 2024. Sam says the following regarding the lament: “Making a TV show is tricky because you want to put it all in there, and definitely we wanted to honor that moment, but the season has to end. We don’t know if we’re ever going to make another season of this show or another episode of this show, and the way that it worked out, the last scene of the [The Legend of Vox Machina] could’ve been Scanlan saying ‘Fuck you’ to everybody and leaving, which didn’t seem like a really great way to end the show. So we adapted it into something that I think is still bittersweet and holds the intention of that moment, but if we ever do get further, future seasons, we have plans to honor that moment in a different way.”

He is absolutely treated that way. Remember the Scanbo episode? Remember him constantly being the butt of jokes and people talking bad about him? Remember how he was sad he blew it with kaylie and vex literally screamed in his face "Who tf cares?!" The show was literally building up to this moment and they wasted an entire episode on Keyleth doing a simple scry spell when they literally showed Ripley using the scrying eye and could have easily gotten it from her.

@@transientanus remember Vex didn't know he had a daughter when the who cares was asked?

Almost all voice lines are recorded super early on in development. Take for example Lance Reddick. He died over a year and a half ago now but his voice lines were still used for Thordak in season 3.

Lol this is so wrong it's ludicrous

Easy: they didn't know whether they'd be allowed a season 4 at the time of production. Ending season 3 with this lament would've felt sour. Also the end of season 3 was probably recorded as Sam was recovering from cancer, so not the best time for such an emotional beat.

@@frenchtantan A season and even an entire show can end on a sour note and it can still be great. Tons of shows have bittersweet endings that are still amazing. It would have been one thing if bards lament was a cliffhanger but that's not the case. Ending it on a sad note would have been much more preferable than not including one of the greatest CR moments we've ever had. Also, they record the audio very very early on in production so I very much doubt Sams cancer were a factor. Sam only found out that he had cancer a little more than half a year ago and went into recovery a few months after that. His voice lines would have already been recorded way before. As a comparison, Lance Reddick died over a year and a half ago and all his voice lines for Thordak were already done and used in season 3.

@@Sizzox I wouldn't be so sure about Sam. Lance Reddick had way less lines than him in the show, and I'd even point out that BOTH scarcely spoke in the second half of this season. But, for the sake of argument, I'll give you that one, because ultimately, these are only assumptions on both of our parts. However, for the ending, my apologies, I misspoke. "Sour" isn't the proper word, nor is "sad". Assuming season 3 could've been the last one, ending it with a Bard's Lament would've felt *unsatisfying*, something the end of the campaign itself wasn't. An ending should tie up as many important character arcs as it can, and the Bard's Lament would literally create a new one. A sad ending? I'm all for it. A bittersweet ("sour") one? Sure. Lore-related loose ends? Why not, they can make more comics if need be. An unsatisfying one for the characters? Now THAT would suck. As good as the Lament is, it is not worth keeping for the risk of having an ending that would disappoint many fans, probably you included, because it would stray away from the spirit of the campaign's ending. Ultimately, I see it being a bargaign: which story beat do we drop? Lastly, I'd add that we ARE getting a fourth season, so it's not out of the question that we can still get this scene, especially with how Scanlan left the group. Think about it: - Keyleth and Vax left for her to complete her Aramenté and take her place as Voice of the Tempest, leader of her people. - Vex and Percy are headed to Whitestone, where the latter will presumably take on active responsibilities as a nobleman. - Grog and Pike I don't see relinquiqhing adventuring, what with him loving to fight and her always having had aspiration to do good (way more than in the campaign). My point is, they all left to take on, or accompany someone for, some degree of "greater good" responsibility. Scanlan however? He left for personal reasons. It might take an awful lot to convince him it's worth it to risk all that, and he may even lash out.

@@frenchtantan Sure I can agree with your main point here that it would sort of leave things a bit too unresolved. If the fight had been done and it would have ended that way, I probably wouldn’t feel good about that either. But the thing is that if we hypothetically wouldn’t have gotten a season 4 then I am really not sure that this season 3 finale that we got would have been any better of an ending for the show. From my point of view it seems like they had two options: Either they do the campaign accurate bards lament and try to make it into a somewhat alright ending if they aren’t renewed. But if they are renewed the payoff will be better. Or they go for this safer option that will only really pay off if the show isn’t renewed. Maybe it’s easy to say now that the show is already renewed but it feels a bit wack to not aim high here. And yeah they could technically fit it in during the next season but at that point they have to 1. Build up why Scanlan would leave, 2. Make him leave, 3. Bring him back and 4. Warm him up to the group again. This is a lot of steps for just one season when 2 of them could have easily been done already if they had gone that route.

@@Sizzox Like you said, it's safer, which is also subjectively my prefered path, so we can agree to disagree on that part aha. As for the possibility of seeing the lament in S4, they don't need to make him leave. He can just refuse with the lament, then join later. He can have his resolution as a B-plot while the other start, and finally making a grand return. They kinda did that for Umbrasil, so they'd have to take a different approach, but it could be done, and more quickly than you realize. I've also been giving more thoughts and remember how he's the only one in the party who's never fully let go of his reluctance to fight? It was always to save his own skin, but this time, going back to the front will mean he's at risk of leaving Kaylie alone once more. I don't think convincing him to fight with aspirations of heroism will cut it this time. They'd have to appeal to his connections to the group, and then... Well, road paved.

I'm sorry, but...

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@TheAniSi Yeah I just finished watching the new episodes 😭😭😭

@@avionhero65 we suffer together on this day

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@@auzpayeur8229 did I miss something? Wasn't it supposed to happen this season?!?