agree completely

I often sneak around all the time and have zero problem with the stealth. I think many misunderstand the stealth mechanic. Its not like other games where you are the center of all encounters. It based upon what is happening, what the mission of the AI is at the time and how you are armed and what items you have on you when the AI notices you. I do not believe there is any indicator that AI has seen you and is ignoring you. When an enemy sees you it may choose to ignore you or not. The Question mark seems to mean the AI is investigating something to some area of concern, where the Red 0 is they are actively hunting in that area. Some times the enemy knows exactly where you are but chooses to ignore you so it has nothing to do where you are hiding. Also you have a Tactical Camera so I assume that some enemies may have one as well and there goes you dark hiding spot. There are also some items you loot that are actually tracked so the AI know all the time where you are and once the Hunter Killers are release you cannot hide anymore. Right now the loot and enemy are often in the same place. There is another thing I notice that if I have quest X the enemy are almost always the same. Like when I want gotcha boxes I will get the risky loot quest and got to scorched enclave and never take any explosives so I am almost guaranteed 1 to 3 gotcha boxes. Thanks for the Video I did enjoy hearing your point of view. it well straight to the point and informative.

Here for the support ;)

Imagine making a video showing you playing the game wrong and giving it shit then doubling down with a second equally retarded video after being called out. I've never heard of that guy but thankfully I know not to value his dogshit opinion in the future haha

So you get 60-80 fps, bruh thats like saying my car only goes a 100mph, it should go 400, i run it at 50 on a laptop, americans really being spoiled, stealth does work, you can do stealth kills even, the reason why you think they spot u is mostly the mechs is some enemies attack you with out aggro like the snipers and comparing this to GR is not a good argument, the critism is fine for feedback but fry was being rude about it when the devs themselves said the game is in a trash state, why didnt he wait for the demo? Its coming this month, thats because he likes to get his hands on anything and judge those games like they are finished, if he said its trash now come back later thats fine but thats not what he did, he has this extremely toxic way of being and his community is the same, he just likes to be a hater when his game aint nothing speciql either, when ppl ask me if they should buy the game i just say no,if you thinking about it, it means you are worried about if youll have fun, just wait for a demo and play something else for fun instead, ive told many ppl to not buy the game already, ppl can buy that 100$ pre order for bf 2042

Cyborg map event is where you die most often? Damn man. Listen: just grab an AK, M4A1, RPK, SCAR, or any other rifle with decent capacity. Dont ADS when they rush you and just tap fire at head height. Its a joke. The only dangers on those maps are the invincible bosses. (Which you simply avoid without issue so long as you have chosen a silenced gun) Those maps are free real-estate. Very little danger so long as you can handle the brawlers and such. Side note: Appreciate the video, but I dont agree with your point about paying. They made it very, very clear what people were buying and directly stated on the store page that it was incomplete and on offer for those who wanted to support them and didnt mind the gamestate. We (the community) legitimately asked them to do this.

Hey! Just wanted to point out that there will be a demo version (or some other method of testing the game) coming out later this month according to Fun Dog. That nullifies my critique about how there should be a free version. So if you are watching this and haven't bought the game, it might be worth waiting till you can try the demo.

Stealth mechanics not working? There is no stealth in this game!

i run a rx6800 with a r7 7700x cpu and at 1440p ultra i am running 100fps with AFMF 2.

All The Forever Winter has done is remind us that theres a lot of people who dont understand what Early Access is intended for... and to make it better? Steam tells you what Early Access means on their own site. Like ya no shit youre pitching in to an unfinished product. Thats the point... to test and give feedback to the devs while financially supporting them because you believe in them.

So to give poor peasants like myself a heads up - I've run this on an R7 3700X and 2060S [8GB] with 16 GB of Ram and an SSD, for the lols - so below the minimum recommended specs - it runs though. 1080 and 30fps if I want the higher details but it runs. I'm effectively playing this on the last gen console (the ones we got at release, not the upgraded or Pro versions..) but I'm probably still going to throw over 100hrs at it, as is, playing through each character once. It's not close to ready for us to min/max or cheese routes but if I run a pistol and only take in a couple of mags worth of ammo for an AK or PP19 - then I can channel my inner Tarkov Scav. We can repeat "the thing that worked last time" and it'll quickly be too easy but if we make a point of not repeating the route we took last time, not gearing up for war - it can kinda be amusing and at times even fun. I loved New Vegas, XCom and Wasteland 2 - jank and character almost go hand in hand for me but this is a couple years away from getting anything resembling polish or optimisation (though it does *look* good on the Ultra settings, if we're just looking at the world). I can run Tarkov at 4k and get 60fps or 1440 if I want 3 digit frames on that same old system. This feels like optimisation is something they've spent less time on than a single one of the enemies - their art focused approach is nice but it's going to be a shackle if they don't work *much* harder on that aspect than they have been. They're going to be adding more and more stuff which will eat up much of the 'good enough' optimisation that they'll be doing, they need to make big steps, not baby ones in that sense. We got over a year before fine tuning even becomes relevant, the dials are at the 'big turns' stage, some dials that'll be tweaked are yet to even be added, at their end, let alone ours. As for the 'paid' element - we're passed the "hype purchases" of the first week, anyone getting the game at this point should be well aware of what they're getting in to, so I'm fine with keeping the price tag and don't think it makes much difference to the development of the game, which is what is gonna be their focus for the coming years. They don't need players to test their servers or improve PvP elements, so free players wouldn't really be a benefit to the actual game, imo. A year or so before 1.0, then maybe it'd help when they're fine tuning the co-op but we're probably a couple of years away from that.. Anyone buying it kinda knows, if they've done the slightest research, that we're basically one step beyond Kickstarter and pre-alpha - though just naming it "Early Access" in the current games climate probably didn't help them in the first week or so, as the initial Steam reviews showed but even then it took maybe a few days for it to move to Mostly Positive. "Supporter release" would perhaps have been a more true reflection of what we got but most of us that have been following the game for more than a few weeks knew that already. My only really complaint is the whole screen zooming in when I use a scope, really thought we were passed that stage in anything that wasn't marketed [purely] as an Arcade Shooter.

his review made me lose any faith in him as a reviewer, at one point while showing off the unique visuals, artstyle, atmosphere and skybox this game has, said it was probably an asset flip. you have to literally not know what an asset flip is to make a statement like that

I don't care whether it's EA or open beta or whatever. It seems the devs are responding to the community in a positive way and considering all the helpful input they get. It's refreshing to see a gaming developer take their game and the community seriously, and genuinely trying to make it better before it's released instead of saying, "Yeah, good enough" and then dealing with the fallout (no pun intended) afterwards. I think it's a cool game and a great concept quite different from pretty much everything out there. I also think BigFry didn't try to familiarize himself with the game before playing it and posted a bunch of negative feedback to be contrary to the mostly positive response the game has been getting; possibly just for clicks. I personally found parts of his commentary offensive, but that's just me. Fun Dog has been pretty clear about why they're doing this release, so it's on the players if they feel their expectations aren't met. There's a lot of good, positive stuff happening here and we should be supporting it.

you make it sound like the game is finished? it's not even close. the player base called for the pre release to get their hands on it that the devs said okay and released it. this is work in progress.

IGN cuphead moment

He had some fair points, yet he missed you mark quite a bit. It DOES need a lot work, yet very playable. Fo me at 60fps on High settings(then again I gave a i7/4070ti super), I have little performance issues. Stealth is wonky, invis objects while traversing is annoying. With all that, it's still a fun game loop 25 hours in

I returned. I'm not confident in the game direction. Little things like making mouse direction tied to movement really hurts with my trust in their direction for the game.

@1:30 you are completely wrong lol. If you pause the video you can see " Hunter killers have been deployed" and as he enters the bunker they are literally 2 feet away in the next bunker. They spawned about 15 ft away from him. They didn't make any noise either until they were already in visual range. It's hard to tell if the comms are behind your or just around because the game has poor spatial audio. kzbin.info/www/bejne/i4nKh4KEjJl-iKs @9:40 you will see them in the next bunker about 2 seconds after the message of them spawning in.

Okay, so I have not played the game, but just a little push back here. The Forever Winter is a relatively small dev team, and AI is by far one of the most difficult areas for any developer. Expecting AI stealth perception mechanics to work like Ghost Recon is "wild", but hopefully with the amount of money the alpha has brought in it is something they can look at, I can't emphasize enough how complex these problems are, and how throwing more developers and money at a problem like that often is not a solution. AI take time and experience to properly implement complex mechanics such as stealth, and the only way developers have avoided this was heavy use of scripting in linear games. Since these games are highly non-linear, there simply is no shortcut, and you have to do it the hard way. Give them time, this was the alpha, the developers knew their AI had serious flaws, but needed money to allow them the time to improve systems like that. If they release the game in this state a while from now, by all means, rage!

I've got a 6950xt and a Ryzen 9 5900X so a good system. Runs totally fine for me. Again, it's a really good system, just wanted to give people some reference

I am glad I got this game, it's enjoyable. Yes, movement isn't 100% and the patching of enemies is a bit off but this is a game I want to support, and a dev team I want to support. It's early-early access. I'm sorry but anybody who doesn't understand that needs to have their words taken with a block of salt.

I think a big point is they have to fix different thing at the same time. If they change the routes and vary the enemies those enemies are going to be elites and newer players will no survive any map. If you add elites and different pathing and the guns arnt balanced out or adequate you’re dead. If they fix the stealth and not the pathing and variants the game is easy mode if they let certain enemies see you than go back through all of the above. The game needs polished ALOT abut having played it for hours and unlocked everything and gotten every gun it’s gonna be great when figured out

I was worried thte game would be utterly unplayable because of how early it was, but Bigfry really went in unwilling to experiment, trying to take on full squads with a trash starter gun that any supposed tarkov player would recognize as a desperation weapon only. Buy a real gun and non-trash ammo and you'll be popping heads. And then his follow up, good god. "OK, I'll play the way THE COMMENTS say I should." I just clicked off the video, I couldn't take that sort of childish passive agressiveness seriously. He was mocking commenters "You'll see yourself next week." Yeah I did see, the game plays pretty well all things considered. I didn't lose my first scav until about my 7th raid, and I now have over 20 hours in. Anyone who's played tarkov or Metal Gear (or better, both) should have a very good understanding of how to go about the Forever Winter.

Game runs properly on a 4090. So yeah, they need to optimize it for lower specs. Some animations need to be polished too, like Mechs "gliding" over the ground instead of giving the impression of walking (maybe they'll add some debris or something to their steps?). Your RAM is not important for most Video Games though - you need lots of it, if you do heavy Video or Photo editing. I'd guess, that your VideRAM is important, so you need to adjust graphics fidelity in a way, that it doesn't hit the limit. Enemy AI is indeed lacking and needs improvement.

My issue with a LOT of the criticism people are giving the game is it seems like they just were not paying attention. The Devs VERY clearly said at the outset this is NOT a close to finished game, we're going to Early Access for those who want to support us. They didn't want to just crowd fund they wanted to offer the fan base SOMETHING for that monetary help. The fact is these Devs DO need to pay mortgages, buy groceries, enjoy life, and the game itself needs funding. I bought the game knowing this, I bought it expecting a massive mess of an unfinished game. I did it because I WANT to support them. I WANT these Devs to do well. I support their goals and want to help them. If they had done a GoFundMe I would put money in that as well. The fact I got ANYTHING from my support is just icing on the cake. Now here's the crazy part... I've had more fun playing this essentially early access Alpha test than I have playing nearly every AAA game I've touched in recent years.

I keep saying the 3rd person camera really takes me out of immersive games like this.

You don't need a 19 minute video for the answer. It was "no". The guy couldn't figure out the detection system within 4 raids. It's not perfect, no, but you SHOULD AT LEAST KNOW WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE WHEN ENEMIES HAVE DETECTED YOU. Metal Gear Solid released in 1998, so there's literally no excuse. The fact that he had only ONE successful raid in that entire video, and that HE COULDN'T EVEN EXTRACT WITH LOOT is fucking embarrassing. The fact that he would routinely engage enemies OUTSIDE OF COVER then BLAME THE GAME when he and his idiot friends would get lit up for it is fucking embarrassing. We are currently experiencing the early game. It should be easy, as you proceeded to describe in your video, to get through all the content the game currently has because the spawn points are currently static, and the AI is incredibly basic. Because it's early access. The game isn't difficult yet because it's not polished. So What's BigFry's excuse for having so much trouble where LITERALLY no one else was? "I think he was right in that it needs like 2 years." Except "With as quickly as the devs have been updating, it could take HALF that time". "They can't be asking for money for this game in its current state" except "it's incredibly fun." It's not full price you clown. We've seen less than half the game. There's no misdirection. No attempt to claim that the game is finished. If you were here when Kenshi was first introduced back in 2013, you know exactly what I'm talking about. That game released to early access, and was in the oven for almost a decade before it was fully released, and guess what? It was 100% worth the asking price in Early Access, and it played (and still runs) WORSE THAN THIS GAME. If you get flack for this video it's because you come off as a fence-sitting coward that's afraid to piss off anyone.

For performance i have a 2060 which is below the minimum specs last i checked but on low i get consistent 50 fps at 1440

The criticisms you made are point on I maxed out my base and I have all the rigs I'm waiting for the game to develop more before I play anymore

I got 60+ fps @ 1440p with shadows turned off and a setting of high with a 5800x3d and a 3080 for a ea it seemed to run fine for me with a few intensive settings turned down(still looked great), still refunded it tho because of other things that irked me, will come back to it again when its on sale and its had more polish.

Finally someone talking about how its nt difficult. Ive only played a few times but so far ive yet to die. Just hug walls, let the ai fight the ai, loot and dip lol. I need to sink my teeth in more cuz i love the atmosphere and world so far. What is an early acces to an early access game? I know what early access is. But ive never heard anyone ever say early access to early access...???

Tests alpha: this game is buggy

Its too early even for early access but I personally can still get my $27 worth out of it even at this point. The biggest issue for me among the sea of bugs is the spawns, they will camp extract sometimes or pop in the second you pull up and then of course sometimes they'll just spawn right on you. Im hoping they add a heli drop in or vehicles drop off for spawns and not just the pop in

I think the problem is also gamers and what they expect and think reality is. People running 30 series cards "think" they have top of the line systems that can run UE5 and the latest tech. I'm sorry but you have a previous generation, 4 year old card. It is not current, it is old hardware and you need to upgrade. People get so heated hearing this but its truth. Gray Zone Warfare devs made a statement when they released the game and said " We are building this game on current tech (UE5) and it you have OLDER generation cards (30 series) you are going to have problems. Yes, things can always be optimized and improved but humanity needs to stop with the nonsense that 30 series cards can run UE5 smooth.

Using Early Access was the biggest mistake the developers could have made. They should have done closed alpha tests, because then anyone involved knows exactly why they are there and you won't have clueless gamers using the review system to publicly trash them and content creators using their alpha for clicks. To many gamers have no idea what early access is. It is steams kickstarter.

Running on a 5900x with a rtx 4080. 3560x1440 res. Capped it at 60fps and turned on the vsync to prevent the screen tearing and it runs perfectly smooth.

The game is clunky, but stealth work decently fine. Overall it's called "crouch" and "suppressed muzzle" (if you want to shoot some). The biggest issue are sudden spawns on top of your head. As for performance, yea UE5 is a blight on gaming industry. This shit along with its "nanite" has to die. 17 years old Crysis 1 looks no worse and pumps few times more fps than this (and without upscaling/fgs workarounds).

idk who bigfry is, i played the game for about an hour yesterday and did not have any problems running high settings aside from the usual stuff when you first enter areas and have to load shaders but i only play 1080p, the only problems i encountered were mostly with the enemy ai some drones would fly into the ground, sometimes units would spawn on top of each other and get launched in the air, I seemed to only really pull agro when I would basically run into enemies, I'm not sure if I have only played on maps where stuff is a bit more flushed out yet, the game seemed really intuitive with the ui, the biggest gripes is the lack of variation in enemy spawning points it seems like they come from the same spots every time. good video man

No and exactly NO, but not the way you use the word "exactly".. You knew this comment was coming right? You're there.. YOU made the vid.

I have a 4070 and have to play on low to get 62 fps lol

I agree with the loot and route issue, not enough dynamic spawning of gear, but maybe that will come, once I realised the Gatcha box spawn I'm no longer worried about losing weapons, (I'm a big chicken with my loot in these games) still struggle finding water though but only been playing a few days.

5800x3d and 6950xt most ultra and get 70-90 so. don't run Fullscreen. game has given me no trouble performance wise. worth 27 bucks. great game, it's not a looter SHOOTER. It's a looter. AI has bugs, duh, its early, nothing to complain about. The bugs are there but I have been playing long enough I run thru maps. Sounds like your performance issue is causing more issue than there really is. The matches are defiantly not the same. Unless you haven't progressed. AGAIN, it is early, but I do have issues with stuff myself, no in game VoIP, YET, 3rd person, gets closer to you when 3rd so less pov, stupid shit but I totally EXPECTED when I purchased a 27$ early release. This game is unique, different than all this big studio shit, n i put my bet on this game in the future. Some lil polish and it 100. Can't wait. Hope you figure out your issues because that's not the norm. Good Luck.

He made SOME good points but then he made that fucking "response" video and I've had zero respect for him since.

This is gross. So much crying about a game that is EARLY ACCESS. Like I get it you don’t like it cool. What now? Are you gonna play something else? Are you gonna drag everyone who is enjoying the game down? It it wrong for others to enjoy a game you don’t? I love the term if you don’t like it don’t play it bc it speak volumes on how people are entitled to have every game that comes out tailored to their own tastes and preferences. But….we ALL HAVE DIFFERENT TASTES AND PREFERENCES. So how is that supposed to work? Can’t make a game for everyone if no one can agree on anything. So….dont play it if you don’t like it. Call of duty ain’t go no where go play that shooter. Don’t come over here while we are doing what we like and criticize bc you can’t hang

I think the first thing they have to work on is spawning and ai

bros running the autism cpu and gpu combo

His handling of genuine criticism worries me because I really like his content. I understand when it's just someone shouting "YOURE WRONG LOOOOOL" because that ain't valid criticism you can work with. But it's like, in this work you gotta be so stoic with feedback man and I bet it must really suck when you feel like you've put good work into your channel. There's a damn good reason I don't stream or make crap videos you need to be built different lol

These critisisms are absolutely valid, now is the time to critic, while the game can still be changed, however anyone complaining as if the game is in it's final release need to step back and perhaps return in a year or 2

No. Big Fry was way off. He's incapable of playing the game and whines like a b****.

the stealth mechanics work to a degree... they are definately there but they are very iffy. Personally I am having a ton of fun wit the game, the worst issue for me (and the most immersion braking) is the spawning on top off you stuff. Almost all of the runs I lost was due to a bunch of melee cyborgs spawning right on top of my ass while perfectly avoiding patrols with the heat scan...