4 piston M2 Calipers

@@dvas2686 wow. I was told they would fail and crack on the track.

@@cammgt3rs370 Nope, I'm not aware of anyone who tracks with these to have any more problems than any other brakes. I run mine with Castrol SRF fluid which I flush every spring and PFC pads. Other than the front calipers turning to a black color, I have not had serious issues. I've had the pads show cracks towards the end of their life but that has nothing to do with the BMW brakes. The rotors will eventually develop cracks but that's the same for any cross drilled rotor.

@@dvas2686 ha. I just put Castrol SRF in my Volvo S60 T5. Great stuff.

Thanks!

Thanks for the kind words. Just don't follow my line into the bus stop 🤣 I've been analyzing it and I think I could carry a few more mph through the entire section if I change my entry. I get asked about the B16s a lot, and I have a detailed review somewhere on Bimmerpost. I have to say that they have been fantastic. I have absolutely no temptation to move to one of the boutique brands that you mentioned or to something with two or more adjustability - for HPDE these offer plenty of handling adjustability and have been bullet proof after 6+ years and 80+ track days. If I were to move to a 2/3 way adjustable damper, and I didn't want to do annual rebuilds, I'd get the Bilstein Clubsports but I think that level of adjustability is overkill for most HPDE drivers. Many of the other brands require rebuilds, while these are still as good as new. The Bilstein's offer much better suspension control, the car soaks up bumps, ripples, and wavy pavement much better than the stock suspension and it's also definitely less harsh feeling in most use cases. There's a reason that Porsche uses Bilstein as their OEM supplier.

Haha. Funny you say that cause bus stop and laces is where I noticed the biggest differences. In bus stop I entered later and didn’t take quite as much curb. Laces I stayed more towards the center and ride the radius. I liked your line in 9 (later entry than me) and 2 (early turn in). Gonna try those next time. B16s seem like great value. Hard to find people you have them. Rebuilds is exactly why I’m hesitant for the boutique brand. That and I know there’s plenty of driver mod left. Just want something to help with the dive on braking and help the rear end on high speed transitions. Back end feels light at the top of the esses both at WGI and VIR.

Likewise, I was spending a lot of time with my student, attempting to help him fix and manage his braking problems. But saw you come by with the GT4 a few times on track! 😂 If I can find a hotel, I'll be there with Ferrari again in September.

Hmm. Tempting, but I just got back from a two day event there and am scheduled to go back up in September, again with Ferrari. I’ll have to see how my work schedule is going but I’ll keep it on the radar. I’m planning to try a grippier tire so would be fun to see how close the OG M2 can get.

Thanks for the kind comments. Yesterday was a fun day and the car ran very well at a pretty good pace - especially for the first day of the season. Congrats on the Bilsteins. I hope they work out for you as well as they have for me. I got them in 2017 and now have over 70 track days on them, attacking curbs, and they are still good to go. They are built like tanks and have never seemed to need a rebuild. I don't necessarily run them the same front and rear. I try to dial them in so that the car is just a little loose. So I typically leave the rears at 8 and soften the front until I just dial out any understeer.

Thanks for the kind comments. I installed my the Bilstein PSS10 as they came from the factory in 2017 along with Ground Control camber plates and have not touched them since, other than adjusting the stiffness. The springs I received were 515lbs up front and 900 lbs rear and I have not changed them or the valving. I've run up to 3.4 negative camber without issue, which was more than my setup needed and have dialed it back a touch. I think they are as much as one needs for a typical HPDE and are a great value. Built like a tank, there's a reason why Porsche uses Bilstein as an OEM supplier. Over wavy pavement, there is much better control than the stock setup - with the stock suspension the tires tended to bounce out of control in some situations. The Bilsteins remind of the very controlled ride in some of the Porsches I have driven. 30k miles and 80+ track days on the with no issues. Much better control than stock and love the adjustability for track.

Thanks a lot for the feedback, extremely useful!! I have F82, got it in 2018, fitted GC camber plates and pads and have been tracking it ever since. Swapped for Mperformance has kit a couple of years ago which made it quicker but finally looking to swap suspension and hope it feels a bit lighter and slightly quicker. You’re the only reference point for B16 I found online, keep up the good work 👍👍

@cammgt3rs370 Thanks for watching and commenting. Overall, I have to say that the M2 has been very reliable. Just hit over 30k miles over 80+ track events this year. And other than an occasional limp mode because of not enough gas in the tank, all she needed was periodic oil changes and one new set of spark plugs. Pretty bullet proof...until this past summer when I noticed the diff leaking which required a gasket change and then later the OEM plastic charge pipe blew up on a very hot track day, despite being at stock power. Nevertheless, given the amount of track days and heat cycles the car has gone through, I think these two items were relatively minor issues.

Hi, looks like you did better than "just" getting sub 1 min, Congrats! Judging by your vid, it looks like you and the car are pretty fast but unbalanced and a bit of a handful to drive. Look to get a better balance and keep finding places to push a little!

@@dvas2686 quite the opposite actually. The video uploaded at LRP was with a replica GTS wing and it made the front end very numb. I didn’t have a very good alignment but was still able to get consistent ~59.5 almost all sessions on heat cycled tires. The last event I was able to do a 58.8 on fresh tires but slightly less aggressive alignment. I also added a replica gt4 lip that really helped with front end balance. I don’t think there is more than a couple tenths left on the table with the v730s.

@@dvas2686 without any aero, my best was was a 59.8 but that was more of a handful. I’ve since updated to swift springs and the handling is definitely much better. Next season, I will try some laps without aero to see how much of an improvement I can get!

Yes. At the time of this video, my M2 had stock power, 365bhp at the crank, as listed by BMW. No software changes, bolt-ons, etc. The car was only a few months old as of this video. As of 2023, the car is still the same and I now typically run 60 second flat lap times on street tires with an occasional sub-60 second lap. The M2 is a capable and forgiving to drive car.

Thanks. I think 2 seconds maybe over Michelin PS4s, otherwise 200 treadwear street tires were faster than the NTO1s in my experience. They just don't grip for more than a lap or two.

Yeah, mostly stock for the world of track cars. Engine is completely untouched, not even bolt-ons, radiator upgrades, nor ECU tuning. Stock OG M2 power, not even M2 competition. Only mods were brakes that can handle track duty, and camber plates / suspension so that tires don't get destroyed in a single day. With regards to tires, did you expect me to drive with snow tires? RE71s are an extreme performance street tire for sure, but they are a daily tire that is seconds behind Hoosiers which themselves are a few seconds slower than real slicks such as Pirelli DHs - both of which are a very common site at these events.

@@dvas2686 you are a great driver.

PFC08 which are racing endurance pads

Track pads squealin

Sure, happy to connect if you want to send me your email, contact info or reach out through the forums

Thanks

Thank you for the unsolicited very kind words. It's even more meaningful coming from someone who apparently is very fast around LRP themselves and understands the challenges of the course and equipment - 57s in a relatively low powered E36 M3 is mighty impressive. I have a lot of laps around this very short course and I want to think that I am close - if not at - the true limit of the car with this particular setup and tires. But the back of my brain tries to stay conscious that there is always someone that will be faster in the same equipment and therefore there is still plenty of space to keep learning and improving. I guess that's where the challenge and fun lies.

@@dvas2686 Thank you kindly as well and yours is the perfect attitude and I share it - there is always opportunity to improve and the relentless pursuit of every .001 possible is what seperates the best from the rest. Cheers mate.

Link to 57.71. Best sectors throughout the day (temps and traffic) was high 56.8😯. Sticker 245R7, 2850lbs. kzbin.info/www/bejne/rmGqd5ionryKr9E

Just seeing this. Front has -3.5 camber and a tiny bit of toe out. Rear is -2 camber and a tiny amount of toe in. Car is corner balanced for 50/50 weight distribution

Thanks. Yeah, cars have certainly improved in terms of performance. But maybe not fun factor, I'm sure that 2002 was a blast to drive.

Thanks!

Thanks for the nice comment. This was a Porsche Club of America event, all day high performance driving school event. And I help them out as an instructor, so this was the instructor session. No where up to go from here, except possibly actual racing, which - unfortunately, haha - is not in the cards for me at the moment.

Interesting, I've never had trouble finding the NT01 in my size. Have you tried Discount tire, or even Amazon? I haven't had any issues with buying from Amazon.

Thanks!

Haha, thanks for the comment and kind words. Let me know if I can help in any way, happy to connect. LRP is my local track so I have a lot of laps there, definitely in the thousands My goal going forward is to improve my times at other tracks including Palmer, WGI and NJMP.

Thanks for your comment. Hope to see you at LRP

@@dvas2686 going with scca tnia on June 9th i think

Just brakes, tires, and suspension. All in an effort to save my tires from excessive wear. No engine mods for reliability purposes. I have the full list of mods in the description.

What do you mean by souped? Basic track mods as listed in my video description.

@@dvas2686 I don't know that M4 GTS felt like a m428i :D

@@ttuncay99 Haha. Perhaps he was on a cool down lap. Or maybe just needs to locate the gas pedal.

@@dvas2686 yea that’s what I thought too, but you guys were in the same session, why leave early? Ahhahaha anyway good stuff broz

Cool vid! I would love to do this but I’m a novice and am wondering if they have slower groups..? Also did you get track day insurance for that?

Thanks for the kind comment.

Yes it is, the one and only Lime Rock Park. It's a fun track. It's short but average speeds are very high and it feels like a roller coaster. It only has 7 turns but it is a very nuanced track and takes some time to get fast.

Thanks. Mostly stock, yes, just some bolt on suspension components originally purchased to manage tire wear. I've listed all of my mods in the description - with the exception of spacers 12mm/5mm to make the wheels/tires fit. LRP is my home track, so I have a lot of days there, over a thousand laps for sure. I'm still not as adept at the other tracks I visit, NJMP, WGI, Palmer, but working on it.

That’s great congrats . I’m also looking into going to lime rock . Are there day track days or you have to become a member to go?

@@perfectlyirrational6777 Don't need to be a member. Track days are available at LRP via BMWCCA, SCDA, or others. Check motorsportsreg.com for dates.

is he not allowed to pass until the person in-front signals?

Thanks. The M2 is pretty balanced out of the box, which makes it fairly easy to drive.

Thanks for your comment. I was surprised too. I later came to find out that it weighed nearly nothing, having been totally gutted out, and had a modified s54 under the hood producing as much power as me, if not more.

My M2 is a lot of fun to track and easily keeps up with much faster cars. Mods helped but she was also fun stock. Completely reliable, haven't had a single issue that needed dealer attention. Have just done regular scheduled maintenance. Just don't go out with less than a half tank of gas which will put you in limp mode, temporarily.

Thanks Lance. I love the Seneca Lodge. Obv, you're not a stranger. Hope to see you out there when all of this craziness is over!

Thanks for the comment and the tips. I've only been to NJMP two times so still feeling out the track. Next time there, I will try your suggestion as it makes sense. I knew I was loosing time somewhere. Thanks. Love the M2 BTW. Nothing but oil changes and routinely pass GT3s and other cars I have no business passing in the instructor group. If you're ever at LRP, reach out and I will give you some tips.