Hi. Do you have a copy of this game and can you send it to me via some file extractor? :) Having a bit of trouble finding the best source to get it from.
@NortShip0125 күн бұрын
The only working copy I have is on an old laptop of mine and I've got it through the original CD-Rom. I wish I knew how to get it into a file extractor though... I mean, I can zip it into a .rar, but I doubt it would work, unless it would be recognize as an .iso file...
@jovantancic24 күн бұрын
@@NortShip01 I found it somehow (again). Had to use UniExtractor to extract data1 .cab file so I wouldn't need to run setup (which can't run on new OS). I'm using wined3d and ddraw files to run it, otherwise there's blackscreen after the FMV. Also, I'm running it on fat32 formatted USB. I hope I won't be having issues with the mouse again. There's F10 you can press while ingame that locks the cursor but still runs the game. Wonder if that fixes it when it occurs. 🤷♂
@JeanBaptisteEmanuelZorg2 ай бұрын
Damn… you’re still active?! wow :D
@NortShip012 ай бұрын
@@JeanBaptisteEmanuelZorg Yeah, check some of the latest videos for some new things... xD
@Laggh3 ай бұрын
Cool
@hav0k3375 ай бұрын
They intentionally designed the Hubrin to be so OP. It takes quite a lot of effort to survive them if you're not a Klingon.
@NortShip015 ай бұрын
Indeed, mainly thanks to their long range. At least the Federation has their Mobile Shield Generators for away teams, and the Romulans will have to use their Cloaked Tanks and APCs.
@hav0k3375 ай бұрын
This game has so many bugs, it's hilarious. But it had it's charm nevertheless. I wish the source would be released so we could have some working version on modern hardware.
@NortShip015 ай бұрын
That and the ability to modify or add missions. I know some missions where I want to add just a few more structures as to not get overwhelmed from the get-go (especially the mission The Lost Tribes).
@hav0k3375 ай бұрын
The Nak's fire rate increase is normal for all stationary photon (non-turret) units firing at stationary targets in STNW. They all do that. Phaser weapon units usually fire off a longer beam instead. Idk if it's a design choice or a game bug.
@NortShip015 ай бұрын
Actually I've observed multiple cases where any unit, Phaser, Disruptor or Photon tank, has a rate of fire increase overall when they're not in a 'good' position to attack their intended target and just fire away at the nearest target in range. With the Cloaked APC this rate of fire nearly matches the Warbird's, and a Hubrin Tank's rate of fire can match that of its Fortress. Here's a nice showcase: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hKetiX6BrMmjosU
@jovantancic7 ай бұрын
Hey. I see your channel is full of STNW content, which is great. I am curious tho, how and on what are you playing the game? I am trying to solve the weird mouse issue this game is giving me, where the mouse starts acting weird, leaving me with no option but to exit the game. Every damn time. I've tried everything, running it on USB formatted to FAT32, tried the infamous US 1.1 patch, tried the version from The Collection Chamber site, tried from original CDs, even emulated Win 95/98/2000 for it. Nothing. Either it's the runtime library C++ error, either the mouse decides to be a b*tch.
@NortShip017 ай бұрын
I run the game (and recorded the footage) on an old laptop I have which runs Windows Vista. To be fair I've had my share of problems, even where my mouse flips out when trying to select stuff, of which I have a video of as well. Feel free to check out the rest of the videos I have on the game and all the things I encountered and exploited within the game.
@jovantancic7 ай бұрын
@@NortShip01 I read last night that setting the game to work on multiple CPU cores can cause problems. So setting it to work on one should do it. Also, the game doesn't like NTFS format, but rather uses FAT32 one, and priority should be set to low. This 'should' fix the game entirely with crashes and mouse problems. At least, person that had those issues fixed them with that. Trying all of this these days and trust me it's a pain in the *ss. It's a great game though. Do try this on Vista and feel free to share the results. Also, can you share the link of that video where you had that mouse problem in particular?
@NortShip017 ай бұрын
@@jovantancic You can find that video here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bZK0f2yPrddqr68
@jovantancic7 ай бұрын
@@NortShip01 Ah, the same problem here. I don't know if this is the programming bug that's inside the game or that the game really depends on what you run it. I see some playthroughs of this game around youtube and so far I haven't seen anyone having any issues with game's interface. It would be good if someone would patch it more. The source code is out so it's about time somebody does it.
@NortShip017 ай бұрын
@@jovantancic That would be fun. I would also like to see some kind of map editor or something, where you can make up your own scenarios and perhaps have captured buildings be of more use to the player.
@JeanBaptisteEmanuelZorg Жыл бұрын
You should rename you channel to „STNW glitch hunter” 😁
@NortShip01 Жыл бұрын
🤣That would be a nice idea. xD Given the time I've spent in finding all of this...
@JeanBaptisteEmanuelZorg Жыл бұрын
What the? How did that shield generator get it there?
@NortShip01 Жыл бұрын
You mean that Shield Generator next to the Colony Hub? Simple; I razed the Advanced Power Generator that was initially present there, and I was able to use the build space that became available to place a Shield Generator and two turrets there, to defend the Colony Hub from attacks by a Metar Bur more effectively.
@JeanBaptisteEmanuelZorg Жыл бұрын
@@NortShip01 But it looks ike it's occupying colony hub's space. The game gave you green when placing it?
@NortShip01 Жыл бұрын
@@JeanBaptisteEmanuelZorg After razing that Advanced Power Generator, yes. It also let me place the two turrets in that same area. I could even possibly place any other small structure (Science Station, Transporter Pad, Storage Facility and Resource Processor) there if I wanted.
@JeanBaptisteEmanuelZorg Жыл бұрын
@@NortShip01 another bug then, I believe, meaning the advanced generator was misplaced in the uhh first place lol
@NortShip01 Жыл бұрын
@@JeanBaptisteEmanuelZorg That or a bit of foresight, if it can be exploited... given how the only viable defense would come to the left of the Storage Facility, disregarding what can be placed on the ground south of the hub...
@JeanBaptisteEmanuelZorg Жыл бұрын
I always liked that skybox though.
@NortShip01 Жыл бұрын
Skybox? You mean that tower on the temple?
@JeanBaptisteEmanuelZorg Жыл бұрын
@@NortShip01 the sky
@NortShip01 Жыл бұрын
@@JeanBaptisteEmanuelZorg Ah, I see. 🙂
@JeanBaptisteEmanuelZorg Жыл бұрын
try to make a video about fallen Constitution-class ship in one of the missions (hint: interestingly it has.... shields, even though its only a 3D object)
@NortShip01 Жыл бұрын
Heh, I know which one you're talking about. I have some footage of it still in my archives.
@NortShip01 Жыл бұрын
Got the footage of it right here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/i165oqqqibB1r6s
@JeanBaptisteEmanuelZorg Жыл бұрын
I always start with vehicle yard so to produce more construction bees. The default starting 4-5 pieces is way to little and buildings must be queued for too long IMHO.
@NortShip01 Жыл бұрын
Same thing I do in regular campaign, getting the Vehicle Yard for 6 additional Construction Bees and at least 2 Cargo Bees as I tend to place 2 Resource Processors with 2 mines in most missions.
@JeanBaptisteEmanuelZorg Жыл бұрын
@@NortShip01 good, I thought so it's only because it's only a tutorial; btw. did you think about playing together? I have a public IP so if you wish we can connect and try how it works
@NortShip01 Жыл бұрын
@@JeanBaptisteEmanuelZorg I have been thinking about it... if only I could the game to run on my Windows 10 PC and all... I have been unable to get the right files as my virus scanner won't let me get them.
@JeanBaptisteEmanuelZorg Жыл бұрын
@@NortShip01 youtube deletes my attempts to write down email address so I could give you my IP... :/ don't know how to do it? Do you by any chance have Steam?
@NortShip01 Жыл бұрын
@@JeanBaptisteEmanuelZorg Yes, I have.
@JeanBaptisteEmanuelZorg Жыл бұрын
Nothing better than a sleep-deprived female voice explaining strategy stuff, eh? :)
@NortShip01 Жыл бұрын
Plus the droning reminder of 'Colony Power Insufficient'.
@JeanBaptisteEmanuelZorg Жыл бұрын
@@NortShip01 bored is more like it
@NortShip01 Жыл бұрын
@@JeanBaptisteEmanuelZorg Indeed.
@JeanBaptisteEmanuelZorg Жыл бұрын
that’s called „tactics” :D
@NortShip01 Жыл бұрын
Indeed. xD Something I used very well. xD
@JeanBaptisteEmanuelZorg Жыл бұрын
well done, truly
@NortShip01 Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much. :D
@JeanBaptisteEmanuelZorg Жыл бұрын
those scouts lol…
@NortShip01 Жыл бұрын
Indeed, brought them all together with the Battle Group exploit. xD
@JeanBaptisteEmanuelZorg Жыл бұрын
Photon artillery is required, sir! 😆
@NortShip01 Жыл бұрын
😆'The Vehicle Yard isn't working! Those petaQs forgot to add power!'
@JeanBaptisteEmanuelZorg Жыл бұрын
@@NortShip01 mission failed :P
@NortShip01 Жыл бұрын
@@JeanBaptisteEmanuelZorg Indeed, especially as other Hubrin soon razed the pathetic Klingon AI Base. xD
@JeanBaptisteEmanuelZorg Жыл бұрын
yeah, sometimes cloacked Romulan tanks do that as well :P
@NortShip01 Жыл бұрын
Not just them, I've seen this with other vehicles too.
@FekLeyrTarg Жыл бұрын
Always an epic moment when your friendly BOP engages enemy ground targets.
@NortShip01 Жыл бұрын
Indeed, you have this happening in two Klingon Missions. 😁 Feel free to browse my KZbin Channel; there's more clips featuring the Klingon Bird-of-Prey there.
@NortShip01 Жыл бұрын
Here's a nice example for you: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qqeylpeiYraloqc
@FekLeyrTarg Жыл бұрын
@@NortShip01 Thank you. 🙂
@NortShip01 Жыл бұрын
@@FekLeyrTarg Anytime, my friend. :D Always fun seeing Klingons showing those Metar-veq what's cracking.
@NortShip01 Жыл бұрын
@@FekLeyrTarg kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y4jRknupZ9-DgZo Here's another one for you to enjoy.
@JeanBaptisteEmanuelZorg Жыл бұрын
I remember some old preview texts annoucing the game in computer magazines that the game would feature a real-time terrain which would change after the meteor fall… plainly speaking there were plans to make a hole in a ground after a meteor hit during design. Sadly to no avail.
@NortShip01 Жыл бұрын
Really? I didn't know that... I feel that was left out due to time constraints or unable to make it work in one way or another, similar to how the ground remains intact after an impact of a photon shell or one of the Hubrin's weapon strikes...
@JeanBaptisteEmanuelZorg Жыл бұрын
It helps but sadly it can also result in mission failed.
@NortShip01 Жыл бұрын
Indeed, which is why I have an APC around to always keep an eye on the Hangar and have the Capture option triggered; the Warbird ignores the building if the Capture option is selected, even when it's done with a Klingon or Federation APC if you trigger the Warbird's 'assistance' in their sides of the mission. And on other rare occasions it can lead to the Warbird itself being destroyed if the Hubrin Fortress gets more shots in during the Warbird's second pass.
@JeanBaptisteEmanuelZorg Жыл бұрын
@@NortShip01This is smart move to be sure, but player no need to know this, right? I mean the warbird is your ally, right? You're not supposed to anticipate a flaw in the mission. When I was younger I usualy just thought of this mission as a time-restricted mission: to capture the hangar before the ship interferes lol The second part: true, if the warbird is dumb enough to fly long enough in fortress’ fire arc it will perish. I wonder if by the rare occasion the warbird can actually defeat the fortress?...
@NortShip01 Жыл бұрын
@@JeanBaptisteEmanuelZorg I feel the Warbird striking down the fortress would only be possible if it had continuous fire on it, or if it was aided by other Romulan tanks.
@NortShip01 Жыл бұрын
@@JeanBaptisteEmanuelZorg Speaking of the Hubrin Fortress, it appears at least 6 times in single player campaign, being two Klingon Missions, two Federation missions, one joint mission, and the Romulan Bonus Mission.
@JeanBaptisteEmanuelZorg Жыл бұрын
@@NortShip01 Yes, a pity developers didn't expand that race further
@JeanBaptisteEmanuelZorg Жыл бұрын
nice you’re still up & running, cheers :)
@NortShip01 Жыл бұрын
No problem, hopefully getting more footage up later.
@JeanBaptisteEmanuelZorg2 жыл бұрын
good strategy is to kill the power of your enemy
@JeanBaptisteEmanuelZorg2 жыл бұрын
funny thing is due to cloacked apc technically not belonging to you, when it cloak it disappears for good :)
@JeanBaptisteEmanuelZorg2 жыл бұрын
not to mention units in motion gets lower damage when under fire as opposed to units standing still which can be „killed” in one shot in most cases
@NortShip012 жыл бұрын
Indeed, concentrated Phaser/Disruptor fire can do real damage then.
@JeanBaptisteEmanuelZorg2 жыл бұрын
The peacufl citizens of Metar are going about their business :)
@NortShip012 жыл бұрын
Indeed, with the Federation forces making sure they don't do anything funny. XD
@JeanBaptisteEmanuelZorg2 жыл бұрын
The less spectacular bug is when vehicle yard out of sudden stops manufacturing vehicles. The production queue (can be viewed in Colony Hub) is there but the first vehicle in queue is there… in queue… and the progress bar does not come up. I learnt that building a lot of vehicles and therefore adding them to queue is dangerous and better to be avoided. Better to build 5-6 vehicles is max.
@NortShip012 жыл бұрын
It's quite an annoyance indeed. It's weird that I've NEVER experienced that bug when playing as the Klingons though. And even when I play as the Federation or Romulans, it only happens occasionally. I usually stick with what I have, unless I do need to build vehicles to complete a certain objective. Cloaked APCs are my favorite as these are completed rather quickly and with their high speed, rate of fire and ability to cloak... Second comes the Klingon Disruptor Battery, and then the Federation Advanced Artillery + Mobile Shield.
@JeanBaptisteEmanuelZorg2 жыл бұрын
Annoying af, and in the first mission… really? Sometimes I wonder if they ever betatested this game…
@NortShip012 жыл бұрын
According to an interview I've viewed that a fellow player had with one of the people whom worked on the game, I believe that there was some done...
@JeanBaptisteEmanuelZorg2 жыл бұрын
But Metar have many scattered bases in this mission. You captured 5 portals and other bases did not send units to attack? That's very unusual.
@NortShip012 жыл бұрын
The Metar have only 4 scattered bases. 3 of them contain two portals each, the last one has only the Metar Temple and 3 Colony Cores. This is where the SPEED of the Cloaked APCs come in as well as their rate of fire. I've calculated that once the mission starts, you'd have about 3.5 to 4 minutes of time before the Metar come swarming out of the Portals in big numbers (groups of 6 Metar Burs, 6 Advanced Naks, 4-6 Advanced Deas, 4 Advanced Yats, 4 Advanced Snipers and 2 Metar Ras have been observed by yours truly when they do come out, even after I manage to destroy at least TWO portals). And since the Romulan base starts with 8 Cloaked APCs alongside 6 Cloaked Tanks, 2 Artilleries, 1 regular APC, Science Vehicle and Ground Scout...
@JeanBaptisteEmanuelZorg2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for uploading so many videos. You’re doing justice to this game, friend.
@NortShip012 жыл бұрын
No problem. Each time I encounter something odd, fun or just for the heck of it, I record the footage and feel like showing it off, just proving the potential that the game had, yet the lack of proper QA Testing and the time to iron out the bugs and adding in other things that are missing in the game proper practically killed it... oh, if only I knew how to do some programming...
@JeanBaptisteEmanuelZorg2 жыл бұрын
Its the trees lol, Star Trek races are ecologists. Anyway, I hate that spot When playing Romulans in this mission. Basically you have the place turrets anywhere around that spot.
@NortShip012 жыл бұрын
Indeed. It's the main reason I play this mission directly after 'Into the Arena' and 'Absent Friends', since the colony size limit gets carried over in subsequent missions. So when I start this mission with the size limit of 90, I only build the Construction and Vehicle Yards, Security Center, 1 Resource Processor, Science Station and Transporter Pad, leaving the remaining spaces for Advanced Power Generators, 2 Shield Generators and the turrets. And if I need just a bit more space for a second Resource Processor, I just attack the Taubat base north of the Romulan base.
@JeanBaptisteEmanuelZorg2 жыл бұрын
@@NortShip01 Yeah, but in order to attack the northern Taubat base you have to manufacture more tanks and stuff… will that justify the cost of building another resource processor? In my opinion this mission is not that long and defensive in nature so I don’t need resources to be mined quickly.
@NortShip012 жыл бұрын
@@JeanBaptisteEmanuelZorg True, but I think it's worth it. Besides, eith a second processor, resource gathering goes a bit quicker, so I don't have to wait much to keep building turrets and (especially) Cloaked APCs to fight the battles. I just want my base to be secure first and having a back-up site on the smaller bases I have.
@JeanBaptisteEmanuelZorg2 жыл бұрын
Fucking awesome 👏🏻 Kill those critters.
@NortShip012 жыл бұрын
Glad you agree. 😁 Usually the Metar Starship gets obliterated over the Federation Base (even when I play as Romulans or Klingons), this is one of the rare occasions the Romulans shoot the thing from the sky.
@JeanBaptisteEmanuelZorg2 жыл бұрын
this is improbable...did the game lock up shortly afterwards?
@NortShip012 жыл бұрын
Nope, I was actually able to COMPLETE the mission itself in fact.
@JeanBaptisteEmanuelZorg2 жыл бұрын
I guess that’s because Photon Artillery is still _a part_ of the building… so it does not explode even when killed by other hostile units :P
@NortShip012 жыл бұрын
I guess that's the reason. It's happened on more than one occasion that a vehicle emerges out of the Yard just as it's destroyed, with that last vehicle then exploding for no reason. xD
@JeanBaptisteEmanuelZorg2 жыл бұрын
@@NortShip01 what you said I explain to myself by explosion blast damage
@NortShip012 жыл бұрын
@@JeanBaptisteEmanuelZorg Heh, fair enough.
@JeanBaptisteEmanuelZorg2 жыл бұрын
I remember in certain mission (don’t remember which) my hub was destroyed just after all objectives were completed and yet I failed… :/ :D
@NortShip012 жыл бұрын
That's a shame. It's funny; in all the years I've played this game, I NEVER lost my hub ONCE. Sure I did have missions that failed, but that's due to the destruction of other objectives that I was supposed to watch over/capture/whatever, not because my hub got destroyed. Perhaps it's the solid strategy that I employ that makes my bases practically impenetrable once everything's set up, next to exploiting AI movement.
@JeanBaptisteEmanuelZorg2 жыл бұрын
@@NortShip01 that’s for sure, I wouldn’t want to meet you in multiplayer :)
@NortShip012 жыл бұрын
@@JeanBaptisteEmanuelZorg I presume this is due to me setting up my base to be near impenetrable... I wish multiplayer did work though, would have loved to make footage/screencaps of that. Maybe it could fill in gaps of some of the beta screenshots I've seen.
@JeanBaptisteEmanuelZorg2 жыл бұрын
@@NortShip01 i think it works, either you or me hosts a game and we exchange the IP address, that's it
@JeanBaptisteEmanuelZorg2 жыл бұрын
The only mission where you had some chunks of diplomacy Star Trek style.
@NortShip012 жыл бұрын
Indeed. I wish there were a few more tanks or vehicles added to it *coughCloakedAPCcough*...
@NortShip012 жыл бұрын
Hey, I pulled off something in 'Checkmate' just now, will show footage of it later today. Managed to pull off a siege on a few Metar structures using Federation Phaser Tanks AND Romulan Cloaked APCs! xD
@JeanBaptisteEmanuelZorg2 жыл бұрын
Hit Detection Failure aka Metar Alien Technology
@NortShip012 жыл бұрын
That seems to be the case, yes.
@silverdrake-style83082 жыл бұрын
i gotta admit,i love some of the sound mixing and effects here.
@silverdrake-style83082 жыл бұрын
some of the maps in this game look kinda neat despite how buggy it is XD
@NortShip012 жыл бұрын
Indeed, I honestly wish there was some kind of map/mission/level editor that would allow for custom missions and such. would have loved to see this game expanded upon.
@silverdrake-style83082 жыл бұрын
this is...so glitchy xD
@NortShip012 жыл бұрын
Indeed, especially how buildings under construction are invincible until completed, so enemy units keep firing at them... xD
@JeanBaptisteEmanuelZorg2 жыл бұрын
a typical Hubrin glitch
@NortShip012 жыл бұрын
Indeed, simply because unlike other vehicles, they can pretty much fire at anything what's directly in front of them, with a bit of an off-set to the left and right when in their field of view...
@JeanBaptisteEmanuelZorg2 жыл бұрын
@@NortShip01 their units are more like an artillery, not necessarily tanks
@NortShip012 жыл бұрын
@@JeanBaptisteEmanuelZorg I presume this is because of their very long range and projectile attacks, right?
@JeanBaptisteEmanuelZorg2 жыл бұрын
@@NortShip01 Yes, like in WW2, some vehicles looked like tanks, but wasn't them, they were mobile artilleries
@NortShip012 жыл бұрын
@@JeanBaptisteEmanuelZorg Ah, I see, like the Photon Artillery units from the playable factions then... interesting.
@nakenmil2 жыл бұрын
Isn't that one of the Brotherhood tanks?
@NortShip012 жыл бұрын
You mean the Hubrin? No, these are the Orion Pirates.
@nakenmil2 жыл бұрын
@@NortShip01 ah, that's the one!
@NortShip012 жыл бұрын
@@nakenmil The Hubrin appear in earlier videos, you can watch my entire playlist here: kzbin.info/aero/PLhC3MKcG4elDs2VcsTtB-MSb3pRcHtHtv
@nakenmil2 жыл бұрын
Metar: "That's when they realized: they'd fucked up."
@NortShip012 жыл бұрын
Indeed, especially when a base is fortified the way I make them. xD
@nakenmil2 жыл бұрын
Dude, you've been absolutely churning these vids out! Respect, man.
@NortShip012 жыл бұрын
Thanks, feel free to check 'em out and comment on what stood out for you. :D
And here's another: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rWe4fqWdr6yIqNk
@JeanBaptisteEmanuelZorg2 жыл бұрын
shield cover high…arrrggghhhh!
@NortShip012 жыл бұрын
xD Ineffective way of telling when something is protected by a (mobile) Shield Generator?
@JeanBaptisteEmanuelZorg2 жыл бұрын
@@NortShip01 The APC’s crew must have been dringking coffee in the mean time hehe
@NortShip012 жыл бұрын
@@JeanBaptisteEmanuelZorg Or taking too much LDS once more. xD
@JeanBaptisteEmanuelZorg2 жыл бұрын
Wow! Yet another interesting quirk you found. Thanks!
@NortShip012 жыл бұрын
No problem at all. :D Was quite an interesting one to boot at that; this way you can select the corresponding APC without having to tilt the camera a certain way in case it's hidden beyond the building itself in the usual camera view.
@JeanBaptisteEmanuelZorg2 жыл бұрын
the most illogical bug in the whole game… it’s like vehicle yard’s workers go on strike… quite frequently so… :/
@NortShip012 жыл бұрын
Indeed. It's odd that I've encountered this bug occasionally whenever I play as either the Federation or the Romulans though. Had it never experienced whenever I play as the Klingons.
@NortShip012 жыл бұрын
I must admit that I only had this happen whenever I assign an officer to the structure most of the time, so I don't know whether this is because of build speed or just a bug that doesn't register one completed vehicle as actually 'completed' as it won't vanish from the build list, even though said vehicle does emerge from the Vehicle Yard itself.
@JeanBaptisteEmanuelZorg2 жыл бұрын
revenge is in order
@NortShip012 жыл бұрын
Oh, trust me, the Klingons got their revenge big time. I've got Disruptor Batteries out there for a reason. xD
@JeanBaptisteEmanuelZorg2 жыл бұрын
🤯 WOW, never saw that before!
@NortShip012 жыл бұрын
It honestly caught me off-guard too. It can happen more with APCs if someone gets in their way just when they want to capture a building, as seen here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aJ3ZeaKQiLdknck
@JeanBaptisteEmanuelZorg2 жыл бұрын
More and more I find that as an exploit developers didn’t forsee. Technicaly Metar should be able to detect cloacked units… since they can jam tricorders - it‘s like their own cloaking device.
@NortShip012 жыл бұрын
Indeed, even though only the Advanced Dea can jam Tricorders. And the only time the Cloaked units are vulnerable is that moment where they have to either engage or drop the cloak overall.