You're right, he just got unlucky really

@@jeremyjackson7429 I dont know about that. All other factions still only get 4 crew members. Being allowed to lose 4 out of 5 member and still be able to operate the weapon is still far too good for what this thing can do.

@@jeremyjackson7429 The howitzer cannot retreat and i think it the crew abandons the weapon if only one member remains. I think the american howitzer is much nicer to play against.

I think the pak howitzer is also decrewed once it reaches 2 squad members, so after 4 model drops. Whereas, the heavy mortar requires all 5 models to be killed. In tournaments they mod the 120mm mortar to remove its retreat ability for balance. I don't remember but they possibly also making it require 2 models

@@authoritarrr good change. I dont like how easily you can get away with 120 mm mortar spam

I used Mobile Assault Regiment. I find it a very strong commander. The Royal Engineer Recovery squads have faster repair speeds, smoke grenades, and a flamethrower upgrade so a great early game unit that scales well. The commandos are very strong either as an ambush unit or like obersoldaten if you give them brens. Then the land mattress gives you an answer in the late game against a very defensive opponent

Hahah, their loader never skips arm day apparently

Yeah it's great! I contemplated doing that too, but it might not be economical to do so. If you're merging into jagers for example, then you're saving 6mp each time. So you'd need to reinforce 260/6 = 43 jagers before it became cost effective - and you'd have the opportunity cost of not getting utility out of the squad with fausting, nades, capping, and reinforcing on the frontline. But yeah it's an awesome ability. Most recently I found that a stosstruppen + gren can beat two squads of SSF commandos cover to cover even if the gren doesn't participate in the fight itself 😁

Glad you found it helpful!

Damn dude he's like the biggest KZbinr in the scene, cheers for the compliment!

Cheers man, glad you found it helpful :) I don't focus on it in the video but it does also do some stat boosting for the armour values of tier 3 and 4 videos as well as the damage reduction vs handheld AT

You're right, there is a bug. I believe it's fine for normal shermans, but if you get the 76mm upgrade then new 76mm shermans won't have extra armour (only the ones you built before the 76mm upgrade). However, they will still have the damage resistance against handheld AT. I made a pinned comment about this with more detail

Nah it's fun

reminds me of PG shreck blob back in coh2 which is even more overpowered and gross than this jager blob

@@whhzj9265 Yes, but this blob is also pretty good against infantry and have high survivability.

The problem with taking away this crutch is that they don't have anything else to stand on.

@@whhzj9265 If they had the survivability and anti-infantry capabiliites of the Bazooka squad, I would accep this, but they outperform in almost everything

I'm sure they'll do some balance changes to the jaegers, probably just reducing their damage to 100-120 to be more in line with other factions AT infantry. I don't think they need nerfing to the level that you say though. They're a 320mp squad with high reinforce cost (28mp per model) and a 90 muni upgrade. So getting a blob of that size online is very expensive. Also, in my testing cover to cover at mid range - double barred riflemen can beat jagers even if they have the scope upgrades. And that's neglecting pour it on them and sprint abilities from riflemen. As for tommies, I think their performance vs jagers is pretty good given their price and cheaper upgrades. If you go for brens and recce packages then they'll shred jagers, especially if they're blobbing in the open. I don't think jagers should be like bazooka squads since they're elite infantry and much more expensive, but I do think bringing down their AT to the level of other handheld AT would be good I also think going for stugs as Wehrmacht is a strong alternative to jager spam, people just haven't quite caught on to them yet. I don't think they need to rely exclusively on jagers. Having said that, the Wehrmacht early game could do with some love - often feels like you're struggling to survive until you get tier 2 or 3 out

Much appreciated AE, a pleasure!

If you're Wehrmacht then breakthrough > assgrens > pgrens and stugs can work quite well on CQC maps like Taranto Coastline, Twin Beaches, and Pachino Stalemate - less so on Road to Tunis. Use the sprint on the assgrens and the free long-sprint on vet 1 pgrens to rush the AT sections, or just try and flank and surround the blob while baiting with your stug to whittle it down. The stugs can bounce the AT rifles, and can bounce a lot at max range when they're trying to chase you down. If you grab MGs on the stugs that's quite good, and at vet 1 you can use the high explosive point blank shot on sections in the open or clumped on yellow cover and that does massive damage. The stugs also help you counter crusader AA and crusader rushes and can help you stall for a tiger. Could also jager blob and go mechanised for panthers, which will bounce even more shots and counter british armour effectively If you're DAK then getting to the anti-infantry stug seems very worthwhile, with marders to cover it from vehicles and the self-repair and survivability package (for repairs, health, and smoke). At vet 1 you can make it stationary but give it a range boost (can toggle on and off at any time). The range boost is huge, like AT gun range. So you can spot and screen with infantry while whittling down the blob from a distance. If you get the MG upgrade then, rather hilariously, the MG can fire at AT gun range too. It also bounces a lot of shots. I'm not as familiar with DAK so not sure what to suggest in the early game though.

@Authoritarrr thank you! Haven't used stugs too much. Been using rad8 and marders which gets shredded by them.

@@johntu4137 You're welcome! Yeah the 8rad is really good but can't kite AT sections well because of their range. Microing the stugs takes some getting used to but it seems worth it. I still see tournament players build 1 8rad to help them survive until the stug

I did a bit of testing on this a few days ago actually. Schrecks will actually occasionally bounce off of shermans at max range even without the upgrade. The increased armour from the upgrade makes this more likely as you go from 195 front armour to 234. Edit - I dived into the modding tools and found that the schreck has 130 penetration at max range for a 67% pen chance. The upgrade makes that a 56% chance. So it's helpful when kiting infantry or just trying to reverse out while low on health. Worth noting though that if you get improvised armour and the 76mm upgrade then there's a bug where the armour buff doesn't apply to 76mm shermans you build after the upgrade. The damage reduction against schrecks still applies though

Thanks! You should notify relic of this bug thou... for them to be aware.

It’s a pleasure! Seemed like it would be relevant to countering the jäger blob meta, while also being something many people wouldn’t realise (myself included)

Glad you enjoyed!

Yeah it was careless and I spent too many munis on abilities and mines so didn't scale my infantry into the late game. A mistake for sure

Yeah I always struggled a bit with conscript starts and especially against his assault grens. Cheers man!

Glad you enjoyed! Yeah I think I lost the first Sherman a bit sloppily. But indeed, his playstyle was very defensive and static so he kinda let me build back into the game. I imagine by the end it was just tilt - he'd lost so much by that point, including base buildings, hahah

Cheers dude! Yeah he retreated way too late with both squads I think. Glad to hear that! Hahah, I do find conscript starts quite difficult and the MG needs to be used more aggressively than the vickers/MG42/MG34. In terms of light vehicles I'm never afraid to go for an AEC as a counter on maps where AT guns are less effective and I try to plant some defensive mines to punish dives.

@@authoritarrr AEC is not very good in my opinion, it costs 75 fuel which significantly slows down the Cromwell/Centaur, and if you lose it you're so on the back it often becomes an uphill battle. It's also kinda meh against infantry. Luckily OST's/OKW's these days don't go for light vehicles for some reason, so 1 AT gun/AT section is enougn to push back a random 222 Your mine play is very consistent from what i've seen in your videos and won you games! I usually just get too caught up in all the micro to have time for that, but with more practice i need to focus more on that

That's fair, if I'm rushing tier 3 then I'll try and skip it, but brits have a pretty fast tech up anyway and higher skill players will often punish you if you only have sappers or an AT gun. E.g., I played several matches against OKW players who saw I went for an AT gun and would just build 2 luchs and rush it down. The AEC can also be useful in the late game as a flanking unit, with tread shot, or even with the command vehicle upgrade. That said I build it reactively since if the enemy is also rushing tier 3/4 then it's pointless

Nah man, Maxim is great. Conscripts are too, they are just difficult to play with

To deal with light vehicles, keep Royal Engineers near, thay have AT gren☺️

I appreciate that friend. Difficult finding the time for it at the moment, but I hope to get back on it :)

Someone else suggested a weaker mid to late game upgrade like an mg15 - not to make them strong but just to help them hold the line. I think that would make sense

Well, brainless worms can play nazis here with even less effort. Shame on them for losing every match

Actually the grenadier model gets the gun of the squad it's joining - e.g. an assault rifle in a pgren squad. That's part of why it's a good ability

Yeah, kinda like conscripts but more defensive: better merge, self-healing, no sprint. They don't scale as well though as no 7 man upgrade, though the veterancy upgrade helps

That could be a good shout - a meh LMG just to stop them from falling too far behind

Not sure if that's too related to this engagement but that can work situationally. The main concern is vs DAK, USF, and Brits you need to make sure they don't have an early kradschutzen, jeep, or dingo armoured car or you'll have a really rough time. No one starts with snares so it's hard to protect a sniper that early. I normally build it a bit later, after the 3rd squad or when I get snares

That's a good way of putting it 😂

Glad it helps, you're welcome!

He was doing better resource harassment. Each time he captured my cutoff I would lose out on my 10 fuel a minute from the point at the top. Also the crusader is cheap at 60 fuel and 300 something manpower vs the panzer 4 at 100 fuel and about 440mp

​@@authoritarrrCrusaders are 70 fuel

@@celtoucan4956 They are in the latest patch, probably to help prevent situations like this. 4 months ago they were 60

Hahah, there was a Schwerer Headquarters covering it

I imagine they won't do that for balance purposes but that would be wild