thanks Doug, you'd love it. hope surf has been firing, but not too firing :)

i did put foam in, not sure if i had to or not, did not try without

Started at Ramp 32 and came in at Ramp 25 (this is between Avon and Salvo)

That's kind of encouraging to hear!

i have a lot more experience on the wing which means far fewer spaz out instances...and generally less high alert adrenaline. it will be interesting to see if HR/effort on FD settles down to wing levels with experience. my sense is it will remain a bit higher with all the pumping and maneuvering. but I'm wrong as often as not with predictions!

That is a hard question to answer. So far I've only ridden it (3 batteries now) with the Lift HAX 150 / 26 carve tail (which equates to 967 SQCM) and it was zero issue using no wave help. I'm sure my HA120 will popup super easy also (774). I weight about 168 these days. I'll try the 120 next week (and maybe a friends 100 v2 surf) and see what gives.

i've also use the havoc 121, ha120 and jjf130 front wings...all allowed for a flat water start with no trouble

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@@JPPBOX I have a second video which discusses a session that may be helpful also..as for DW, I don’t think our swell or wind angles are good for it, without a wing or boost. I wish that was not the case, but I’ve looked hard for a setup that will work in SW or NE wind and don’t see it. Other wind directions are too fickle to bank on. I’ve put a lot of effort into the paddle and am a bit sorry to let it go but swells and waves now available with FD more than compensate for it. Feel free to reach out further if I can be helpful.

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@@rnetschthanks for your reply. I've been wondering why Real hasn't done more coverage of the downwind possibilities here since that's trending in the larger foil community. How far along did you get with your paddle journey? Could you paddle up on flat water? And just to make sure we are on the same page, I'm talking about downwinding bumps way outside, not doing shore runners. If you can confirm that, I'll put that little dream out to pasture for now and probably turn my attention to foil drive as well, which also looks rad. I do not have a surfing background like you (snow, kite, wake), so hearing this from someone knowledgeable about the ocean side is in incredibly valuable and is likely going to save me a massive amount of pain and effort 😅 Thanks again

@@JPPBOX matt has a clip on the upwind/downwind potential with FD, its a pretty new frontier. He was southside on a SW. i could not flat water paddle up, but did not try much.. i never took SUP Foil to way outside, but winged out there to know there is potential...FD will help on this front a TON.

@@rnetsch I did see that clip - it seemed like he was essentially using the FD to motor upwind and then cruising back, which is totally cool (and also totally enough for me for now!) I was hoping when Josh Ku visited that he might have attempted an outside SUP downwinder with them, but the conditions seemed marginal, and obviously he was there to rep FD. It'd be nice to know what's possible here before going all-in for SUP downwind, but clearly the FD helps with everything, so I'm thinking I can't go wrong leaning into that first. I'm subbed to you now, so keep the adventures coming. I'm soaking up the insights, and hopefully I'll see you out there one day!