im thinking 4 of the kings ones for a home solar setup 48v would be quite cost effective, 2000> cycles is a bit lower than other brands though
@Shawn-ts4jw22 күн бұрын
Cause its cr@p, thats why only 2000
@johnussss17 күн бұрын
Kings state 2 in series only, Renogy can go 4 ... Kings no good for 48v
@daisysdogparkadventures66832 ай бұрын
Great video. I'm converting a bus and was told there is a rule about to your diesel fuel lines. What's that all about? Does this mean you can't put the batteries over the fuel gauge access port? Or do I need to consider where the fuel lines run underneath? I want to build a battery box under the bed.
@johnussss2 ай бұрын
The benefit of wiring panels and batteries in series is- higher voltages have a stronger "Push" Voltage is the "push" factor in an electrical circuit, higher voltages travel through the conductor easier which can save money on the cost of the wire, higher voltages travel with lower loss through a smaller cross section (thinner) conductor and travel further with lower losses, longer runs can require a higher voltage, This is why transmission lines are in the kilovolt range, the primary job of transmission systems is to get the current over long distances as efficiently as possible, this is similar in a DC system.
@johnussss2 ай бұрын
Guys here on youtube pulling down the Kings lithiums are finding strong proof the cells are second hand.
the Renogy batteries get terrible reviews on Amazon!
@mjhmech49032 ай бұрын
Great vid. Not hard to set up new systems & remain compliant. Info and understanding is key.
@gavinfisher80493 ай бұрын
So do the regulations state any upgrade to lithium phosphate lifePO4 12v systems can only be installed by an certified installer? Does the regs state anyone DIY fitting life po4 must get certification or signed off?
@bigredinfinity31264 ай бұрын
at the moment the 100 ah kings battery is 299 where the 200 ah is 699 . would i save money buying 2 100ah compared to 1 200
@AussieAdventurer2 ай бұрын
@@bigredinfinity3126 someone said once- better to have 2 batteries in case one fails- makes sense right- ont the other hand it’s space that’s taken up soooooo 🤷♂️ what works best for you? I would buy 2 to be honest if space and weight is no issue
@philinavideo4 ай бұрын
Most helpful review on these two Lithium batteries I have seen. Very helpful. I have seen a number of excellent reviews on the Kings batteries, and they are so cheap, but I want to look at the next price level to compare value, and you have really helped with that. I am also looking at the Volt-X and iTechworld equivalents. Your explanations will help me know more about what to look for in their specs.
@Holtonfamilyadventures5 ай бұрын
Removed from habitable area to remove off-gassing ( Lead Acid / AGM ) and gases from a thermal runaway (Lithium-based) from entering an area where you potentially to come in contact with those gases and become unaware these gases are affecting you and other occupants of that habitable area. I see it more aimed at the lithium installs and the potential for thermal runaway, I personally will be removing the batteries to an externally mounted and vented metal box to remove any harm from gasses or heat/flame damage to the internals of my setup.
@damiant58765 ай бұрын
Thanks for the review. Whilst im sure the Kings battery is good for the price, I'm planning on using the Renogy batteries on an install probaly later this year. Ive noticed that other battery manufacturers are now able to considerably reduce the footprint size of their batteries. Do you know if Renogy will be following suit in the near future?
@jaybee61435 ай бұрын
I am doing a rebuild of my caravan electrical system at the moment, so I have to meet the new Australian Standard on electrical installations in caravans, motor homes, trailers and vehicles. The venting requirement I solved by purchasing lithium iron phosphate (LiPo) batteries from Big Wei Batteries in Slacks Creek in Queensland. They manufacture the batteries from premium quality cells, but most importantly, they are in a stainless steel, sealed box. I asked them to build my batteries with a gland in the box to connect some tubing out through the floor of the caravan battery compartment through an electrical junction box with air conditioner filter material in it to prevent dust from coming in. Also, it is mentioned in the video that the Standard is a “suggestion” or “recommendation”. This is incorrect. The Australian Standards are made compulsory in all States and Territories of Australia. If your vehicle or caravan burns because of an electrical issue, you may not be covered by insurance. This is particularly so if the fusing requirements are not met, which are very comprehensive. Thank you for your video.
@zerogridaustralia5 ай бұрын
That’s a great solution to the rules in the standard. I’ll be sure to check those batteries out 👍🏻
@AussieAdventurer5 ай бұрын
That was really helpful as I contemplated buying the Kings 300 amp hour one not being aware of the other brand you compared it to.( knowing they had a 2000 life cycle and 2 year warranty) Having said that, I see iTechworld is selling a 240 amp hour lithium XP Pro for a very similar price and wondered where the difference is between their XP Pro lithium batteries and say either one of the 2 you just made the comparison video of. I be very keen to find out your thoughts and read your reply 🙏 Plus one other question I have about adding a different lithium battery of unequal size ( I have requested Voltaic in Perth to build me a custom 240 amp hour portable lithium battery box which has everything included such as a Redarc 40 amp Bc-DC charger, a Inverter and Lithium battery charger plus a bunch of different power outlets and input outlets for solar - the system is working perfectly fine but wanted to add an additional battery as I run a lot of 12 volt stuff off that and use up on a daily basis almost 60% of the capacity and that’s after my 300 Watt solar blankets have supplied additional power to the batteries) So basically not knowing what lithium batteries they used other then knowing it is 2 x 120 amp hours connected together to make it 240 amp hours total) So m question is: What are the pitfalls of adding another lithium battery from a different company ( if any) and can I add say another lithium battery of any size ( even say one like the kings lithium variety and perhaps later on add another one of a different brand again if need be ? Obviously the charging will be limited to the amount the BC DC charger can handle ie, 40 odd amps and knowing if I would be on mains power that I could fully charge the whole system should the usage exceed the power input etc etc Any advice- or thoughts on this? I know it’s not ideal or something but need a temporary solution until I can get the $$ together for someone to help me build a new ( ideally portable lithium system that I can take anywhere in any Car or Caravan since if it’s build in- I can’t recoup my money any other way- which is why my current battery box is one of a kind and unique and extremely useful with the only issue being that it is heavy to carry around 🤣🤣 Anyway thanks for the video and possible any advice on my predicament 🤷♂️👍😎 Cheers Jim
@zerogridaustralia5 ай бұрын
Hey mate, I will look at doing a review with the Itech world battery one day soon, thanks for the suggestion In regards to adding batteries together it isn’t recommended to use different brand/make/model of battery. The reason being they have a different internal resistance and power will be drawn more and charge more to the battery with the lowest resistance. Another video idea as there if a lot involved in that too! Hope this had helped! Always happy to have a yarn on the phone if you ever need you can book a call on the website www.zerogrid.com.au
@johnussss2 ай бұрын
Itech stuff is far superior to either these, the Renogy battery here is bang for buck with build quality much better than Kings stuff, plus there's strong evidence Kings batteries have second hand cells.
@AussieAdventurer2 ай бұрын
@@zerogridaustralia thank you 👍 very helpful to know 😊
@AussieAdventurer2 ай бұрын
@@johnussss ohh 😮 that actually makes sense if you think about the price difference between them and other similar brands I guess 🤔👍
@johnussss2 ай бұрын
Where did you see iTECH240X for a price similar to either of these batteries, I'd buy Itech if I could afford them, purchased 2 x these Renogy batts for under $900 each on special from Zero Grid as my lead acids are close to death and I'm desperately broke living off-grid, have not seen the iTECH240X for less than &1,500 and are commonly $1,699
@solarcharging97436 ай бұрын
Yes, Renogy high frequency, transformerless inverter are Sh!t. They offer poor surge capacities and short life expectancies.
@zerogridaustralia5 ай бұрын
Nothing will beat a heavy copper transformer style inverter but the HF inverters have there place and use for sure
@1GREATDANE6 ай бұрын
Victron Smart Solar 100 / 50 at 24 Volts what's the max 100 Watt RENOGY SOLAR PANELS can a Gent Run in Series or Parallel ?
@johnussss2 ай бұрын
The maximum watts and voltage is listed for the controller and panels, voltage increases when wired in series but wattage can can be calculated by adding the wattage of each panel together- i.e.- 2x 100 watt panels in series or parallel is 200watts, in series the 2 would produce double the voltage, you would need to give us the full specs on the panels and the controller.
@1GREATDANE2 ай бұрын
@@johnussss 880 @ 24 Volts I have found out. So 800 watts in Series with Plenty of Head Room I have found. Thank You
@johnwest9646 ай бұрын
Absolutely ridiculous new rules just another idiot making shit up to piss the world off, luckily my system is already up and running so will not be complying, there are more important issues in this country to worry about.
@whochecksthis6 ай бұрын
Nice report on the equipment. FYI, it’s best to make you tube videos in widescreen…
@bobconner4226 ай бұрын
Got a 2000watt inverter and 40amp charge controller and 2x 200 watt solar suitcases all work flawless 2 years and counting.
@zerogridaustralia5 ай бұрын
That’s epic mate! So many good products on the list and have only seen them get better in the last couple of years 👍🏻
@bWd_WA7 ай бұрын
Purchased new June 2023. Less than 2 hours run time on my Renogy 3000W inverter serial number ending in 1606, and it failed. Renogy tech support issued me an RMA and return shipping label. Renogy received for repair in Ontario, California. Renogy Then claimed it functional upon receipt testing. and offered to send me back my property if I pay shipping cost. I paid shipping as per Renogy Limited Warranty. I received a Renogy 3000W inverter serial number ending in 1132. Scratched, battered and material defects such that one cannot properly attach DC input. Renogy" is
@whochecksthis6 ай бұрын
Hilarious, they claimed YOUR unit worked fine upon arrival, but sent you back a heavily used different model. Crazy. Just in case they were correct, what size cables were you using with the 3kW inverter? What size battery bank? How long were the cables?
@CampbellJames7 ай бұрын
These new rules are a bit silly. For lead acid batteries sealing and venting at the bottom is a bad idea as hydrogen will accumulate at the top. For Lithium, which are in scope of this dangerous standard, unfortunately - why is ventilation required for gases? These batteries are sealed and do not give off gases except in thermal runaway which is an entirely different problem. I would ventilate any battery to keep it cool unless always charging and discharging at less than C/20, though with lead acid would prefer ventilation was external and upwards and diffinately not sealed/vented downward - I have had to investigate far too many Lead Acid H2 explosions though all from wet batteries. It is interesting to note that if building a campervan on a Mercedes platform the chassis battery is usually under the driver's seat and clearly not ventilated to the outside! Luckily it is at least an AGM. So seal up a Lithium that does not outgas as the house battery while having the lead acid chassis battery ventilating into the cabin??? Nuts!
@gerardkeith64266 ай бұрын
The standards say that lead acid must be ventilated from beneath and 'a suitable tube' located at the top of the enclosure.
@frednurks85288 ай бұрын
I’m into the 12 volt electrics myself. I find it fascinating. In terms of redundancy however, if I was to be relying on a system to cook my meal run my fridge in remote areas of Australia I would not be having a spare inverter or solar regulator. I would be carrying gas. PS I know I’m off topic with my comment but on topic - Renogy items I have purchased have not let me done to-date
@zerogridaustralia5 ай бұрын
Hey mate, interesting theory. I am an electrician and I guess I look at redundancy as having multiple ways to do the same job. For example an induction cooker, a Webber Q and gas bottle an off grid system and the ability to plug into shore power to cover all areas.
@frednurks85285 ай бұрын
@@zerogridaustralia My comment was not worded very well. I’m aligned with you. Do not rely on one form or source of energy to meet your needs off-grid.
@fenixsierra31008 ай бұрын
Hey Landon! I have just purchased a 110W solar panel and want to set up a small system in my garden shed to charge batteries for my tools, etc. If this system works well, I may move elements to our water pump to power the pump during the day. Would a car battery be suitable to store power? Thanks, Jarryd
@johnussss2 ай бұрын
110 watts would not run an inverter, the extra cost of buying a battery and inverter over just charging via 240v would take many years if it ever did to pay you back, if you have Makita 18v stuff there's a 12v charger, you would be charging during the day in good light without a battery... but that 110 watt still may be insufficient, perhaps a 250w second hand quality brand (investigate the brand before purchase there were a lot of rubbish panels 10 to 20yrs ago) good house panels turn up on marketplace from free to not much more.
@BritishAnts8 ай бұрын
Hard to take tech advice from a channel than films in portrait on a Nokia 5110 lol come on its not 2007 or 2017! Renogy are ok for the money, your comparing tesco to harrods, be fare±!
@mikerobo21128 ай бұрын
Who are the van police?Rediculous,i will not comply.
@tasquollity9 ай бұрын
I have the 3000 watt Renogy. It works well every day in short burst, coffee, toaster, microwave etc. The Renogy app is crap. I prefer the shunt monitor to keep an eye on the system.
@maddogs45269 ай бұрын
Thz heaps for that .. appreciated....
@tasquollity9 ай бұрын
Is it really necessary to have a fuse between each panel connection? Series array and parallel array? Can the diodes in the panel's junction box do away with having to fuse?
@Yomus719 ай бұрын
Tks. Great simple explanation.
@stevenlane7299 ай бұрын
Great video, thanks for sharing
@tasquollity9 ай бұрын
Thanks mate. That was informative. I have three small systems with 3 Renogy shunt monitors and controllers that I'm trying to get set right. Two different size lithium battery setups and one AGM. 🫡 It's hard to make sense of it all.
@rubitherubicon229 ай бұрын
Are you aware if there are any minimum volume requirements for the enclosure at all?
@zerogridaustralia9 ай бұрын
No requirements, but I would leave a bit of space in all directions to help with heat. Everything gives off heats and then it needs to escape somehow. I have seen some neat metal enclosures on the market lately if you like I can link you to them. Cheers, Landon
@rubitherubicon229 ай бұрын
@@zerogridaustraliaThanks. I'm a bit space limited so there will be room in the top of the enclosure but limited room around the sides. It will be well ventinated but the location used will be surrounded by plywood. LiFePo4 batteries from Valen Australia who are not the cheapest but have an exceptional safety record. They're not a retail supplier, they do a LOT of big off-grid stuff. Im handling the DC side of the system - all Victron install, and a friend of mine who is an industrial sparky is handling the AC side of the system.
@MultiOutdoorman9 ай бұрын
Value for money... In a nutshell
@zerogridaustralia5 ай бұрын
Yeah that’s it!
@jerrytalley80210 ай бұрын
I think buying Renogy through Amazon is better to buy too, since you can add 3 years warranty for peanuts vs Renogy wanting 1/2 to 3/4 the cost of the original purchase. I’m going to try again. If I get another bum one, that might be it, lol
@jerrytalley80210 ай бұрын
Thanks for the review. I tried a 3,000 watt Renogy, it was faulty out of the box. This gives me hope to try again. I think the price US is $379.00, so can’t be the price. They look nice and decent build quality. QUESTION; Are there any brands you’ve tested in between cost/quality of Renogy and Victron.
@williammacdonald521010 ай бұрын
My renogy 300 smart shunt keeps giving me the SOC alarm and doesn’t always stay bluetoothed. I would love to have a video showing how to set up the SOC and SOH etc.
@longway111 ай бұрын
I would have to disagree, maybe if you were camping in a caravan park down the road from kfc unreliable electrics are ok but not when you are 200 kilometers from a takeaway. Also its when you're not running your electrics every day and then head bush and turn them on and they don't work is when you regret not spending the extra dollars.
@zerogridaustralia9 ай бұрын
For sure mate, in the video I mentioned this! We live in a bus off grid full time that is powered fully by Victron. Where I use Renogy is in my van where I don't rely on it 100%. Where Renogy is good for alot of people is that it doesn't break the bank and they still get that freedom
@jasper28711 ай бұрын
You should do one on equipment grounding and 240v earth wire when not plugged in to grid
@zerogridaustralia9 ай бұрын
Thats a great idea mate! To wrap your head around earthing and how an RCD works would be handy info for alot of people
@glennmoore588011 ай бұрын
Does that unit specify a power factor? The current draw at a factor below 1 will be higher than the rating, will it not? If we have the power factor we can calculate the apparent power and therefore the true load the inverter will need to handle?
@zerogridaustralia11 ай бұрын
Hi Glenn, excellent question! The unit's rated cooling current of 7.8A doesn't explicitly mention the power factor. As you mentioned, operating at a power factor below 1 can result in a higher apparent power compared to the rating. For the purposes of this video, I've assumed that the 'Rated cooling current' already includes the power factor in its measurement, representing the measured amps of the actual unit, Cheers, Landon
@glennmoore588011 ай бұрын
@@zerogridaustralia Yeah that makes sense, is it common for appliances like that to factor in the expected power factor into their current ratings?
@jobisrael831311 ай бұрын
(Redarc bcdc 1250 or Renogy) for the money which one would you get. 11-21-23
@zerogridaustralia9 ай бұрын
Hard one mate! I haven't had a lot of experience with RedARC but have a couple of installers who love it! Heaps of people happy with the bang for buck from Renogy too
@NotAnotherUsername209 ай бұрын
Not sure about the price difference but as an Auto electrician I’d go the redarc when it comes to a DCDC charger. Admittedly I’m not sure if I’ve ever installed a Renogy unit before.
@andrewm632911 ай бұрын
Glad my impulse purchase was a good choice! :D
@gandalf225611 ай бұрын
Bullshit rule. Thanks for sharing though. Fuck I hate Australia
@outandaboutoz11 ай бұрын
Would you consider the way the roof vents are built to be compliant with this standard? They dont completely seal for compliance with using LPG inside the van.
@calmauric821811 ай бұрын
I bought a 3000w Renogy inverter... No matter what I tried it would not start a induction cooker. Or an AC unit! I sent it back.
@mickbray62967 ай бұрын
Could it have been your battery not allowing the big current draw out?
@calmauric82187 ай бұрын
@@mickbray6296 nah. Same batteries with a different inverter everything works fine. I've drawn over 200 amps off these batteries without a hassle
@stevenlane72911 ай бұрын
Great video, thanks for sharing.
@vernpasfield389211 ай бұрын
So how are boaters going to confirm with this rule especially Yachts,?. I have both Lithium and AGM in my Sprinter, there is no vent points in either, how do I get on?, many thanks your efforts.
@zerogridaustralia5 ай бұрын
This is a requirement for new builds and systems being upgraded. It needs to suit the rules at the time of being built/upgraded. I’m not sure with boats. The do have there own standards to adhere to (AS3004) that I havn’t had the need to read just yet
@jamiemckennon1944 Жыл бұрын
Hi mate, i saw mentioned a drip tray of some type in the new standards. Can you elaborate on that at all?
@TheUndisputedGodFather Жыл бұрын
Great chat. I'm guessing if you have enough solar panels producing power on an overcast day, you only have to get through the evenings with your batteries
@TheUndisputedGodFather Жыл бұрын
Nice and compact!
@kakman1958 Жыл бұрын
Interesting. Would this also apply to camper trailers, teardrops, squaredrops etc where there would be limited options for battery location and would this include Lithium batteries which typically don't vent gases (thermal runaway excluded)?
@zerogridaustralia Жыл бұрын
Hey mate, yeah in my opinion they still need to be outside or sealed internally and vented outside as they are needed in caravans/motorhomes. And yes this rule is for lithium batteries in new installs. Cheers, Landon 👍🏻
@craiggray5152 Жыл бұрын
If you are familiar with the pod style vans … what about under the bed in sealed space with external venting?
@TMJC422921 күн бұрын
Good information. Are those warning stickers available anywhere?
@NicholasTheTravelGuy Жыл бұрын
Great video, thanks for that, it was very helpful in trying to set up my Victron system to use the new featureS.