This is a well researched video essay. Keep it up 👏🏾👏🏾
@secretsofdune15 сағат бұрын
Thanks I appreciate it. Glad you enjoyed it.
@serenitymetalКүн бұрын
Impressive, such joy in learning lore of Dune even after all these years of being a fan. The origins of word's used really does carry meaning on the world building.
@secretsofduneКүн бұрын
Thanks I’m really glad your enjoyed it. Yeah Frank Herbert’s world building is full of in depth meaning which I love exploring.
@-frantsel64032 күн бұрын
Please give us a directors cut!! If one movie deseves it, then its dune!
@dyar_edits2 күн бұрын
In arabic sayyadina-سَـيدنا means 'our lord' - 'our master' it's funny because like you said it's like a role in freman and the role is bein a master or lord.
@chronicalcultivation3 күн бұрын
I already bought both parts on bluray, but if they released an extended cut box set I'd gladly pay for it
@paineoftheworld3 күн бұрын
Who is this Lisa?
@Zennofobic4 күн бұрын
have to say after watching it a 2nd time I don't like what they've done with Jessica, they've turned her from a motherly witch into a world class voice-happy bitch
@secretsofdune4 күн бұрын
I haven't watched the second movie much to allow it to impact me more so that I can make meaningful, sincere and honest conclusions when I watch it fully. I will be reflecting on Jessica and including those thoughts in my ultimate dune part one and two review. I've heard people say that they notice a complete change in characters post water of life so we will see. I do wish she was more motherly, there's a scene that was cut where she hugs Paul goodbye instead of using the voice when she says, "all of us" to him. I would have preferred the hug. We needed to see that his loving mother was still in there.
@Zennofobic4 күн бұрын
@@secretsofdune she orders her servants around using the voice, I doubt she needs to do that. Don't like the north vs southern fundamentalist aspect either or the division with Chani. Overall I like Denis' version of Dune but of course as an avid book fan I have to nit pick :p
@secretsofdune4 күн бұрын
@@Zennofobic completely understandable.
@nizanklinghoffer46204 күн бұрын
Can't wait for the Buddha's redemption of the Lucifer religion
@secretsofdune4 күн бұрын
I think you've misunderstood what Frank Herbert did. He placed Zen along with Sunni "Zensunni" for the Fremen because he came to the conclusion that there is a lot of good in the Islamic faith, so much so that it is similar to the Zen in Zen Buddhism. He wouldn't have done that if he found Islam to be Luciferian and he certainly wouldn't have attached Islam to Zen Buddhism if he thought so, as he fond of Zen Buddhism too.
@nizanklinghoffer46203 күн бұрын
@@secretsofdune what I found most strange was that the Zensufi we're villains after all.. I was thinking of Sufism as a redeemed form of islam.
@nizanklinghoffer46203 күн бұрын
@@secretsofdune also fun to think what he could have done with Mahayana 😅
@secretsofdune3 күн бұрын
@@nizanklinghoffer4620 That must be something from the expanded Dune books because I only know of Zensunni and the Tleilaxu were Sufi-Zensunni. I think the Tleiaxu are probably the most misunderstood group. They do have some questionable practises though.
@jamesmurray85584 күн бұрын
It would have been boring.
@di34864 күн бұрын
Chani was training to be a Sayyadina. Such disappointment not seeing that aspect of her in the newest movie.
@secretsofdune4 күн бұрын
I missed that too.
@kristineclevenger67054 күн бұрын
This is interesting Dune lore you’ve shared with us. Jessica easily moved into the role of Sayyadina for the Fremen. It all seemed perfect, & I enjoyed seeing the women surrounding her. They wore similar head attire but didn’t carry the same status as Jessica. Do you think they were Bene Gesserit in training or something equivalent in the Fremen culture? I’m thinking about Jessica’s mother & that she must have been a Bene Gesserit . S of D, do you know if Jessica’s conception was a planned event with Baron Vladimir Harkonnen, similar to Lady Margot Fenring’s union with Feyd Rautha?
@secretsofdune4 күн бұрын
The women surrounding Jessica are supposed to be Sayyadinas too, something I don't really agree with as it removes the exclusivity and importance of Jessica's role. I'll probably go more into detail on that in my future ultimate review. As for the conception, I'm not entirely sure but if memory serves, it was a planned event but I think that information was from the expanded Dune books, not Frank Herbert's original 6 books.
@PaganMinDNWКүн бұрын
@secretsofdune in the expanded universe, Jessica was Mohiam's second child- the first child that Mohiam had by the Baron was born with a birth defect and so was euthanized; angered by her use of blackmail to get him to conceive a child for the BG's plans the first time, the second time around became an entirely non-consensual encounter thanks to Piter de Vries' help- Jessica was the result
@katehunter5384 күн бұрын
Good. But check your pronunciation of the word "awry."
@secretsofdune4 күн бұрын
It is awry like uh-rye as in astray? I didn't know it was meant to be that word. Thanks for bringing it to my intention. That's embarrassingly wrong haha.
@katehunter5384 күн бұрын
@@secretsofdune There's nothing to be embarrassed about. Every single thing every one of us knows, we learned one bit at a time. The point is to get it right (keep learning), not to BE right. And that's what you're doing. "The best laid plans of mice and men go oft awry." Or in the original Scottish: "the best-laid schemes o' mice an' men gang aft agley." See, now you know!
@pythonxz4 күн бұрын
I always come back to your videos to be calmed and get my Dune dose.
@commandZee4 күн бұрын
Thanks, I love learning the origins and pronunciations of the Arabic and Islamic terms used in the books. Please keep the content flowing, it is greatly appreciated! 🙏
@secretsofdune4 күн бұрын
Thanks for watching! I will do!
@kigas244 күн бұрын
Kind of nitpicking here but Sayyidina isn't the plural form of Sayyid in Arabic, Sadah is the masc. plural form of Sayyid. I understand in Dune they're speaking Chakobsa not Arabic but you're talking about the Arabic origins of the words in your video so it's a bit confusing at the end if you're speaking about Arabic (which is what I assume) or Chakobsa. E.g., at 9:36 you say Sayyiduna Abu Bakr, that translates to "our master Abu Bakr", but his title is just Sayyid Abu Bakr. Sayyid = sir Sayyidina = our sir Sadah = sirs Asayduna = our sirs Sayyidah = ma'am Asayidat = ma'ams
@secretsofdune4 күн бұрын
Did I say plural or male form? I honestly can't remember. If so then you are right of course! I did say that Sayyidina means "our master" though, I remember that. But this is still a great comment. Thank you for nit-picking, corrections are important.
@kigas244 күн бұрын
@@secretsofdune At 10:11 it says Sayyid is the singular form of Sayyidina, which in Arabic is incorrect (in that Sayyidina is not a plural form, it is correct that Sayyid is singular) but may be correct in Chakobsa which is why I mentioned it was confusing for me. Sayyid is "master" and Sayyidina is "our master". Sayyid Abu Baker = Master Abu Bakr while Sayyidina Abu Bakr = Our Master Abu Bakr. I should've included that in my original comment, my bad! Like I said, just nitpicking. Love your content and the deep dives into the Arabic origins.
@secretsofdune4 күн бұрын
@@kigas24 I meant to write male form not singular. Thanks for the correction, luckily I can blur that mistake out which I will do.
@secretsofdune4 күн бұрын
It may be that way in Chakobsa, there really isn't much info on Chakobsa itself in terms of how the language functions. I would say it is almost exactly Arabic and works like Arabic, so yeah. I was actually meaning it from the Arabic sense, not the Chakobsa sense. Thanks for bringing that to my attention though and thanks for watching, appreciate it.
@sprucy4344 күн бұрын
Frank Herbert served in the U.S. Navy-on a ship in the the Middle Eastern waters.
@secretsofdune4 күн бұрын
He was very well read and loved Middle Eastern history. It definitely shows in his world building.
@gmonorail4 күн бұрын
Orange Catholic Bible (OCB), also known as the Koranjiyana Zenchristian Scriptures, the Accumulated Book, or the Zenchristian Navakoran
@gmonorail4 күн бұрын
these videos and their context are always so fascinating
@secretsofdune4 күн бұрын
Glad you think so. Just trying to show how "deep the rabbit hole goes."
@secretsofdune4 күн бұрын
Just wanted to say thank you for all the people who still engage with my posts/videos and drop comments. You're helping to keep this channel alive and I really appreciate that. Long live the fighters
@neilmurphy9664 күн бұрын
Istislah!!! 😍
@neilmurphy9664 күн бұрын
We will surely all post as long as we breathe lol!
@secretsofdune4 күн бұрын
@@neilmurphy966 Thank you!
@neilmurphy9664 күн бұрын
@@secretsofdune an idea I had was if u looked into the Chakobsa in Part Two eg the words Paul uses for "Green Paradise" etc.. there must be Arabic roots? But also imo I thought I heard some ancient Egyptian etc 😍
@secretsofdune4 күн бұрын
@@neilmurphy966 The Chakobsa in the movies is an abomination 😅 video coming on that soon. Basically no Arabic in it apart from the odd one here or there "Mahdi" etc.
@neilmurphy9664 күн бұрын
In Part Two, when Ramallo touches Jessica's face she seems joyous,..cud part of reason be that Ramallo recognizes some of the features as of Mohiam's.. and Ramallo and Mohiam were said to maybe have worked together (non canon sources). Her use of the Voice at "Drink!" seems a BG thing and not a Fremen Sayyadina trait so BG side to her seem stronger, and out of place? I still can't work out how the BG missionaries in the South managed to contact those Offworld as Irulan says.. they had more resources hidden from the Fremen than they knew? It seems disingenuous to a true Sayyadina where truth and honesty were part of the Zensunni teaching?
@secretsofdune4 күн бұрын
Yeah one of my theories was that the Sayyadinas post Bene Gesserit manipulation knew of the Bene Gesserit manipulation and carried on the tradition knowing that, so they perhaps used Bene Gesserit teachings which were passed on from that Bene Gesserit who seeded the culture.
@shanenolan56254 күн бұрын
I didn't receive a notification yet but saw it on twitter fyi
@secretsofdune4 күн бұрын
Thank you for letting me know. Even though I premiered it at least half an hour early, it’s sad to hear that. KZbin has been declining though for me. Low view count, no notifications to subscribers, no monetary gain at all. It’s been tough trying to keep this ship afloat. I’m still trying my best though. I will make extra posts on KZbin in the community tab just in case before premiering next time.
@shanenolan56254 күн бұрын
@@secretsofdune it's terrible. They suspended me this week for alleged hate speech, never told me what I said. ( I can only guess but it wasn't anything you would think was hateful) ( something political, something involving a child I said was inappropriate) But creators and users are unhappy. I was just speaking with a lady , somone was taking her content whole and claiming to be her. She is not monetised, this person is ( no help from team KZbin) Or another was demonstrated, gor mouths and got it back then partner program, then lost it for the same thing meeting all the tos and still getting punished. Several good creators I'm aware of have quit or gone to different platforms. One guy he built a very successful channel. Grew incredibly quickly and then they used atomics. 30 k yo nothing.. his heart was broken he said what's.the point He comes on friends channels friends livestreams with his personal account
@secretsofdune4 күн бұрын
@@shanenolan5625 Really sorry to hear that. Have you been able to get it back? It's becoming incredibly difficult and toxic to creators now. What happened to that 30k account exactly? They shut it down completely?
@shanenolan56254 күн бұрын
@@secretsofdune thank you , yes I made a ? Complaint. Wrote them and git it back , about 30 something hours later Oh it definitely can be toxic or behind the scenes drama . Backbiting envy This guy , he did books , gammer of thrones a bit of star wars. He worked with other channels like editing or clips. Often to help friends. There would be endless copyright problems . Fair use stuff. Reused content nonsense. He still works with other channels. Like he has friends with small channels. But most have day jobs or family commitments time is often the enemy part of it is interest or fun and community which they can't take away from you. Support from people donations or encouragement helps. Part of him just enjoys the subject It's just mske it work financially is a bitch or the engagement. Or shadow banning. It sounded like he had tried to get it back and keeps getting rejected. Somone else was doing very well , gave a personal political opinion. That they said breaks community guidance or tos . Which is very vague it was Pete in the sky . They removed it and anything like it made no difference. Gibe a little power to certain people or bureaucracy ( Frank had a lot to say about that )
@secretsofdune4 күн бұрын
@shanenolan5625 thank God you got it back! I’ve had several months of demonetization and lost a lot because of their stupidity, all of this stunted growth due to algorithm issues etc I probably would have reached 100k by now. I might have to consider moving elsewhere myself in the end or just make videos on Patreon. Really sad how they push people away from the platform.
@neilmurphy9664 күн бұрын
As Chani stood watch over the rite of Paul trying to ride the sandworm she was in a way recording the events.. imo this history of experiences is good contrast to the kind of interpretive histories and so subjective that Irulan and much of the Imperium read and wrote about?
@secretsofdune4 күн бұрын
I believe the Fremen kept historical record through oral traditions too which makes it interesting.
@neilmurphy9664 күн бұрын
@@secretsofdune Dune seems to show how history can be a competition to tell the most complete and accurate.. and how unstable the truth can be, as Irulan states. 😉
@neilmurphy9664 күн бұрын
@@secretsofdune he or she who controls the narrative has the real power.. events in today's age can confirm this 😉
@jeniallenby83894 күн бұрын
thank you brilliantly researched and presented as always
@secretsofdune4 күн бұрын
Thank you Jeni, glad you enjoyed it. These deep dives are more in line with the book I'm writing on Dune to help navigate the world that Frank Herbert put together.
@sweetloveelmo4 күн бұрын
So sophisticated, thank you.......and Prana Bindu has roots in Hinduism.
@secretsofdune4 күн бұрын
Very kind of you thank you. Yes that’s true!
@Rauruatreides4 күн бұрын
Yeah, Dune is a hybrid of all sorts of religious symbolism and ideas, which makes it really interesting. Most sci-fi seems to assume that religion will just disappear, but as history, and even some current events tell us, this is a foolish notion.
@sweetloveelmo4 күн бұрын
@@Rauruatreides The Force from Star Wars is likely to agree with you and I guess there's even a connection between Prana Bindu and Jedi abilities.
@sweetloveelmo4 күн бұрын
Baby Yoda on the Seeing Stone knows best.
@elizabethdavis16964 күн бұрын
What was Paul’s childhood like on Caladan? Did he have friends his own age? Did he have friends that weren’t his father’s employees?
@neilmurphy9664 күн бұрын
🤔the book makes it pretty clear that he didn't as it says the risks of assassination were too great..hence his reliance of the three great teachers; imo his isolation like that makes him more susceptible to the experiences on Arrakis..he seems to yearn for company and he is readily drawn to female company ie Chani.
@secretsofdune4 күн бұрын
No, he had no friends. His only friends were really his mentors who were older than him. The closest thing to a friend would have been Duncan Idaho, but he was not his age.
@kristineclevenger67054 күн бұрын
Remember that Paul was already dreaming about the Fremen - especially Chani - when he was on Caladan. His future was seemingly already prepared. Plus he knew instinctively how to fasten his stillsuit at the ankles. My guess is that he had experienced a previous life or lives on Arrakis. Being alone with his mentors & master teachers, including his mother, allowed him to fully engage in his training. This prepared him for his life on Arrakis.
@nonojustno17663 күн бұрын
While there is a schism in the Dune fandom between Franks original books and encyclopedia Vs Brian's and k. Anderson's extended universe and I'm firmly on one side.... There's allegedly a book where pre-dune Paul Atreides runs away to join a space circus and probably makes many friends and learns some important lessons about "girls", growing up, responsibility and friendship.
@elizabethdavis16964 күн бұрын
Was there allowed to be more than one sayyinada at the same time?
@secretsofdune4 күн бұрын
In the book, no. There was only one exclusively chosen Sayyadina, making her very important. The films changed that for whatever reason.