I got mine off of the official NVIDIA website, there was a Win11 driver released yesterday for the 780 that should work with your setup, and if you’re on Win10 it should still work with that as well.

Should do you perfectly fine. For a first Mac I’d say it’s a good purchase because you can swap to windows and have full compatibility if you decide macOS isn’t for you. To introduce you to the Mac ecosystem I’d say it’s worth it.

It was even cheaper when I bought it. $85. It's now running a buddies system as my main system is 3900x and I have 3600 and 5600 system as well, though with junk class(1030) gpu in one and a sub entry level(1650) in the other.

Beast of a CPU for the cash

M3 Pro, I did and they were much the same results. Thermal throttling hurt the Intel Mac in almost every circumstance and the times that it didn’t the M3 Pro still completed the tasks quicker.

Game support at the time of making this video for Apple Silicon was incredibly sparse and was unable to create a true Apples to Apples comparison. I did talk about the GPU's and the difference it makes. I'm not sure if you skipped that part but it was one of the opening things I talked about with both computers.

If you believe that there was genuine thought that an M3 Pro would be slower than the Intel Mac then you most likely missed the point of the video.

I’ll have to look into this, I don’t have any 6000 series cards at the moment but definitely have plans to revisit this machine. I’ve since moved on from daily driving it but being able to put a 6000 series card into it increases the ceiling for performance. I plan on maxing out the machine, if you’re interested I’ll definitely make a video out of it though!

Thank you!

Great point.

I still used it up until March this year. And switched to 5950x 😁

For sure! Haswell has aged very well and if you pair it with some nice components it’ll still get the job done. There’s some workloads I’ve found where it takes a bit to load until it catches its breath, but overall it’s pretty surprising how well it holds up. Eventually these things will get too old, but for now they’re plenty capable. Appreciate you watching!

Lol try playing ck3 you will hate the loading duration of it .i know because of i have a similar build to yours .it's time to get a new cpu

wdym "the cpu doing almost all the work"... thats not how it works lol. the cpu here isnt being used all the way because of the gpu

@@MkwRa lookup cpu and gpu bottleneck

You use overkill CPUs for GPU testing since it eliminates the possibility of the CPU being the limiting factor. It makes it so any performance problems you do see is entirely the GPUs fault. Its why almost every benchmark channel such as Gamer's Nexus and Hardware unboxed use high end CPUs in their GPU reviews and benchmark tests. ​@kiz__

What a noob and ill informed idiot! Your stupidity shows with your comment. Do you know what a GPU bottleneck and a CPU bottleneck means?? To test GPU performance, it is best to get it running at 100% all the time!

Appreciate it! I’d definitely look into getting something newer soon but we all gotta rock with what we got. These older CPUs are plenty capable but fair warning that the 4060 won’t be able to fully stretch its legs with the 4770K. Best of luck!

I agree, there’s some instances where the chip is just too old but if you’re willing to give it the time it needs to think and don’t really feel the need to upgrade it’s definitely still capable. It’s like the modern day Q6600.

Elden ring 60 fps on 2k?

@@alecarlos26 it gets into the high 50 fps and hits 60 fps cap a bunch of times but there are some drops in the 40's depending on the location and action

Thanks! Solid build too, sounds like a plenty capable system. I had a similar setup to that not too long ago except with a 2600K and a GTX 770. I eventually pulled the trigger and overhauled my stuff, although I still use a 580 in the Mac I do all my editing on.

Good catch, I completely forgot about the Xeons! I used to use a Xeon E3-1231v3 and the performance was near indistinguishable from the 4770K. Thanks for reminding me.

@@nottransientNo problem!

Though they can't be overclocked. These days a +1GHz boost helps a LOT for old CPUs.

Same here, I have the maxed out i9 Mb pro. I do a lot of video editing and I also work a lot of with AI. At the moment the Intel Mac is alright for my workload, I just wish I had more RAM. I’d say wait for one more generation. There is also quite a serious physical bug in all M series Mac that allows for side channel attacks. I’d wait for Apple to address and fix it first before buying an M series Mac.

I did the upgrade from same machine to m3 max…..and it’s amazing. Not one regret! New machine doesn’t overheat, and handles every task with ease!

get the m2 max the gpu is better

Wait for m4 series of chips.

@@SirusStarTV He-he. Already got m3 pro 16" with 32 of RAM and quite satisfied :)

The 2600K was and still is a better CPU, the 8350 was a great value back in the day, however the multi-threading on the i7 as well as the higher performance of it's 4 cores makes it a better choice than the 8350. If it were me, I'd use the 2600. But since you have both, I'd experiment! See which one suits your workload better. Mix and match some parts around.

Thanks man ill figure it out :D one more question MSIGTX 1060 Gaming X or my current Strix 570? 1060 has 2 more gbs of vram but 570 has just a tiny bit higher clocks@@nottransient

Going off of research, 1060 is about 20% faster than the 570. AMD's 500 series was mainly appealing as a solid yet serviceable undercut to NVIDIA's offerings. But the 1060 is still the quicker card.@@sh4rrppl4ys49

@@nottransient And the RX580 8GB is way better than the GTX1060, can run everything with 8GB.

@@saricubra2867 Oh, I'm aware, the commenter was asking between the two cards he had. I never had the 570 so I can't speak to it and can only go off of research. All I can speak to is the 580 (which I still use) is still plenty good and capable.

Apologies for not clarifying, $150.

150 and it plays worse then GHG's 32 gigs ram in a 100 laptop🤣🤣

1.1ghz man she's a beast!!!!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

The Intel is a 2019. Apple in their keynote was really trying to sell the M3 to those that haven’t already moved from Intel to Apple Silicon, so thought I’d display the difference in performance. I doubt anyone expected the i9 to actually beat the M3.

@@nottransient makes sense. Pretty dumb of apple to make that case though

I miss the touch bar

@@fabrizio-6172 Personally all I ever used it for was the volume slider and emoji keyboard, I never found an actual use for it.

@@nottransient thanks for your prompt response. Last week my Macbook Pro 16 M1 MAX passed aways due to GPU and I am currently looking for a new Mac. I have been always fashinating by the 2019 with touchbar you have. I found it for 1k euro alternatively there is the M3 MAX for 4k. I'd like to know more... can please tell me more? Thanks!!!

I think it’d make a difference in things such as GTA where it wouldn’t crash due to running out of memory, but that’s it. 😂 Anything else I think it just wouldn’t be good at doing and the things it’s good at doing are done better by a Chromebook (which this thing should be) with its lighter OS. Windows 11 S is still Windows underneath all the “store apps only!” nonsense. While there is headway to improve it, any dollar put into this could’ve just been spent on an older computer that’s light years faster, which is where my main hate of this computer’s existence comes from. It’s just e-waste.

I think it’s just a CPU thing windows detects and goes “ope this is trash, here’s diet windows” because it was stuck in S Mode even after wiping the drive. (Didn’t want the preloaded crap on it) Took a few hours of waiting with windows update since the store wasn’t opening (for whatever reason) to get it out

it has single channel ram and you are worried about it having s mode?🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@@nottransient well if you know anything about windows 11 is need two cores at 1 ghz each to run that is basically half the cpu running windows 11 not surprised that it has no power🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@@SaraMorgan-ym6ue I believe I made it pretty clear my expectations for this laptop…. it 100% should’ve ran cyberpunk at ultra settings with raytracing.

@@nottransient well you thought wrong it's a pos laptop not a steam deck kid🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

🤣

Oh there’s def a bottleneck, I was really just curious to see what the chip could still push out. For both power and speed reasons there’s really not much reason to buy one of these especially given the price of newer CPU’s on the used market.

​@nottransient I'm planning on buying an i7 4770 because I already have a motherboard that would fit it and I want to have a good decent system to lend to friends. It does make sense to upgrade to something like this when you already have a motherboard that'll fit it.

@@mnatilli9161 Oh for sure and that’s valid, I’ve done that plenty of times with older boards. How come you’re going with the 4770 and not the 4790? They’re practically the same price on the used market.

⁠@@nottransienthe prob got a really good deal or can’t afford the upgrade

@@knyeditz1 gotcha, makes sense. just curious with how dirt cheap these things are. I’ve seen them go for as cheap as $30 on the used eBay market when doing some research for an older video I did, but it’s obviously relative to what deal you can find.

Yea, that's fair, the thing is still 10 years old though and it won't run EVERYTHING. But I think it goes to show that you don't really need the newer stuff despite how flashy Intel and AMD can be with their marketing, old stuff will still do the job.

@@nottransient yeah my Rx 580 does the job so far will see what happens after the cpu upgrade

I had the 970 with an i5 [email protected], it was a beast but I needed more cores

@@fredericoquadros3447 what do you have now? I went from a pentium G3260 then a i3 4170 then a i5 4670 now the i7 4790 and with GPU, I went from a GT 620 to a GTX, 970 and with the GT 620 I am going to upgrade the ram to 16 GB

Not even close to that. Got a partial refund off $120

@@nottransient this is fine then I guess

It was more than likely when there was a very little amount of things going on the screen, most of the time it hovered in the 60s-70s. Still pretty solid for how bad this card is.

Editing error, got the numbers mixed up, apologies.

XP is older than I am so it sorta depends, although I did play some games on my old Optiplex growing up like Roller Coaster Tycoon, GTA VC, and HL2, you just gave me an idea though. I’ll have to do some research but I might try to make the ultimate XP machine.

No problem! Thanks for watching!

Good idea, will look into it, I’m still new to collecting PC parts so open to any and all advice. Thanks!

If you haven’t already, I’d just suggest turning it into a project computer, tinker with it and see what you can squeeze out of it. I had fun doing that with mine. There’s still a lot of life left in these beasts for sure, when everything is loaded up you can sit down and get some serious work done. I won’t lie though, there are definitely some slow downs when running the unsupported macOS versions and I don’t see the Intel Macs getting support for too many years to come, (much less the cMPs being able to run those, as Sonoma is a bit of a challenge for it.) But by the time that is I’d likely be moving on to an Apple Silicon desktop so I’m plenty happy rocking this thing until I can’t anymore. Thanks for watching!