doesnt mean its gone+it may not be tracking but in servicr

@@TheTransportKZbinr it might be tracking as tmp but it says it was last seen in September

Genuinely incredible this is still going with a major operator on a regular route too - often does 24 alongside it's schools!

@@SouthernTransportFan I saw a video of it the other day, I think the person said they are trying to get on it when it goes on the 24 again but according to bustimes it doesn't do it every day. kzbin.info/www/bejne/poOVh3ufZ65-kMksi=GWkaceXBBfvfvAPg

@@SouthernTransportFan I know it’s crazy that it’s lasted so long. Retarder is messed up and the exterior is a bit rotten but it sounds pretty good for its age. It’s tax runs out next month so will probably not get renewed sadly

@@SouthernTransportFan Withdrawn on 9/5/24 sadly :(

Thanks :)

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I don't know the specific details of Greenroad but many drivers do tend to ignore it I've heard. This guy used good kick at the start but then relaxed to just 2-3's later, still something ig but didn't want to set off the system. After studying the timetables I saw this run leaves after to only a 3 minute break at Staines (on a Sunday) from the inbound duty which is stupidly small, so I knew I'd be likely to get results out of it, especially as this driver didn't come back to the bus until 5 minutes after we were supposed to leave. Not sure whether the BD11 MCL's had Greenroad nor if you've seen my video on it yet but this driver would have certainly set it off kzbin.info/www/bejne/gX66Xn6fj8qVn68si=Ozi__AsQbCozkYRP

@@SouthernTransportFan Whether Greenroad is disciplinary heavily depends on the depot. There is obviously going to be that one driver that just doesnt care and will floor it and kill their scores. I think for the 117s case it is a disciplinary, but the driver was driving for a while so 1 or 2 warnings from Greenroad wouldnt affect his score too much. You would obviously have those drivers who just dont care, but i dont think there are many if none for the 117 considering what i heard about the crawling. 0530s are generally slow off the mark even with kickdown, i can see the driver floored it a lot but unless Greenroad was set really sensitively, i dont think he wouldve set the alarm off except for one or two occasions. Suprisingly, this flooring didnt set the alarm off even once meaning that it could be the case where its hard to get the harsh acceleration alarm on a 0530. kzbin.info/www/bejne/nmqlmaOme9qLe9k

@@TheTransportKZbinr Not sure if the DOE's have/had Greenroad but I found A was a depot where a larger than usual amount of drives floor their buses. This has probably gone down now with the Ee's. I think that depot and a lot of GAL in general are pretty relaxed with it as an example. RATP seem really strict. Yeah I can tell they're not as fast as the O295's, but he did force some really powerful downshifts, not sure if Greenroad can detect those or if it focuses purely on acceleration. That's hellfire! Definitely an example to go by

@@SouthernTransportFan I believe that all London buses should have it as it is a safety requirement and is probably much more strictly enforced that ISA. GAL drivers are generally crazy and fast, so i dont think Greenroad is disciplinary over there which is why there is no reason to not drive more aggressively. Maybe it could be at A that the management are encouraging fast driving to meet their KPI quota for some more contracts. If RATP doesnt allow aggressive driving styles then unless there is a driver that wants to get fired (there is always that one person who doesnt care) then they will stick to safe driving. I think even this driver is following Greenroad but pushing the boundaries. In Cardiff, our RIBAS beep goes off for harsh acceleration/braking, overrevving, speeding and leaving the engine too long (CB dont count overreving or engine time). With Greenroad being much worse (cant go over 8mph on roundabouts i hear) we can expect that redlining/very high RPM downshifts can warn drivers although i dont know if this is actually the case. In fact the beep still goes off to warn you with RIBAS so the driver could stop revving the bus thinking he may get called in by management. Greenroad i heard is much more sensitive than RIBAS, so it may be the case that i am wrong and your 203 may have even angered Greenroad! I am not the best for this, i would advise asking a driver more on this. In Cardiff for harsh acceleration it can be anywhete between 3.78-5.62 mph per second for the beep to go off, i would guess that Greenroad is in the lower ends of this, will look at some articles and if i find anything i will inform you. To breach this and still use kickdown, you must do a slight pause and let go of the accelerator between 1st and 2nd to prevent the beep mainly on faster buses with more sensitive harsh acceletation limits Thanks :D, only thing, dont expect this if you come to Cardiff, kickdown isnt easy out here let alone redlining.

Really are great buses

They get worked so hard for so long are not particularly well maintained by Arriva lol

@@SouthernTransportFan Typical arriva i guess, our Enviro400 MMC buses (ZF) are soo slow on the hills like your DWs, Arriva are also planning to sell on the LJ10 Ts at Thornton Heath, i dont know who would actually buy those sheds idk. I have never came across any fast DWs with Kickdown, every kickdown seems so slow, is this just a me problem?

The Omnicity has only ever been built with ZF, I believe

Certainly!

I will try but currently pretty busy

@@SouthernTransportFan Thanks :) it sounds far better than the other DWs and doesnt struggle up hills.

357 is what existed for years before it was turned into the 411 fairly recently

didnt know that thanks!

I believe T278-287 all have Topodyn at TC

@@SouthernTransportFan :O Thats amazing :D How do they do up the gradients? And how often are they allocated to 466? Id want to see them up Addington Hills in comparison to the DWs, some like 262, 261 are rockets. Any hoovering ones i should avoid, im looking at buses sounding like T278 i want

@@TheTransportKZbinr There are usually around 3-5 on the 466, although in the last few days they've been really sparse. T68 and T168 are also at TC, both an older style E40D if that interests you

Takes a bit of foot force to trigger kickdown on the pedal

@@SouthernTransportFan Ahh, ok. Explains why sometimes they dont use kick even on steep gradients, do the mercs have lighter one?

@@TheTransportKZbinr Merc's are also kinda similar in that respect, they have plenty of power without kick

​@@SouthernTransportFanspeaking of mercs, is the 358 good for Kickdown? Also, whats the best part?

358 is better than 108 I’d say for kick, does have faster roads. But obviously the older MEC’s are nicer than the newer ones. Best part would be Green Street Green - Bromley, can get some good speed there

This bus was actually marked as withdrawn a few days ago, but has been brought back. Still I think it's time is really at the end at TH, DT's tridents will be the last two with Arriva

Thanks, me too, gonna try for a less limp one on RRP soon :)

There aren’t enough hybrids at Sutton to fill up 151’s allocation, so more would need to be transferred to the garage

Thats a short term solution which isnt worth it as it’ll still be a problem in like 7 years anyways. Also diverging hybrids which other routes desperately need…

They’ve known about it since April/May time, so seem to be extremely slow in starting work. I was at the station a week ago and can confirm even then there was no sign of anything happening. Could be a while

Insane

They are properly awful, agreed!

Since T7 and T42 went, this is the sole Trident remaining at TH. I reckon its days are extremely limited. T11/38 may be staying a little longer over at DT

Reminds me of the last two SP’s which have had the same thing done to them

Thank you! Yeah ik about the title, I don't usually update video details later on

Thanks!