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@jandv9376
@jandv9376 7 күн бұрын
bro thats not 12 servants thats 13 😅 grand servants are still considered "servants"
@BATKABatka-do3ip
@BATKABatka-do3ip Ай бұрын
Gawain no diff
@thefakerking51
@thefakerking51 Ай бұрын
What is this song?
@knightofthelake8112
@knightofthelake8112 Ай бұрын
@@thefakerking51 After Dark
@thefakerking51
@thefakerking51 Ай бұрын
@@knightofthelake8112 thank you!
@nozel244
@nozel244 Ай бұрын
Gilgamesh vence super Orion
@DeadApostleAncestor10
@DeadApostleAncestor10 Ай бұрын
What feats david even have to put him before Chiron and Tristan? Now Zhou yu and Alcides should be up there too
@knightofthelake8112
@knightofthelake8112 Ай бұрын
@DeadApostleAncestor10 David fought Hector in cqc, + his np killed herc once and he literally has a king hassan in a box to one shot anyone, so anyone who can't straight up overpower him is basically not winning against David. Alcides is a mixed archer/avenger so I didn't count him, Zhou yu is honestly not qualified to be on this list in my opinion, why do you think he is in any way on the level of the guys in this list?
@DeadApostleAncestor10
@DeadApostleAncestor10 Ай бұрын
​@@knightofthelake8112 Fair enough explanation for David Still I would count Alcides as a archer because he can qualify for it nonetheless Zhou yu literally has a reality marble and was able to hold off samson he has enough battle iq and iq to and can maintain a good distance with his opponent also chain that he can pull off from anywhere within his reality marble maybe not in this top 12 but reality marbles are still a great source of mystery solved I would say he is definitely up there Also Kali and Durga are here too now she should be above Ishtar because chief goddess but we never saw enough feats from her so I would say below her ig? Ptolemy weakening Typhon and allat
@DeadApostleAncestor10
@DeadApostleAncestor10 Ай бұрын
​@@knightofthelake8112Oh also just noticed Super orion above Gilgamesh? 😭 He ain't a grand anymore so idk why we including him as one among these I thought it was just servants? But if not then Gilgamesh is top 1 no debate
@DeadApostleAncestor10
@DeadApostleAncestor10 Ай бұрын
This list seems l over the place when I am watching it rn again like if it's not just servant variant then why is Gilgamesh below Super orion? Ishtar a goddess below Arjuna? Ash even what is this even based off
@knightofthelake8112
@knightofthelake8112 Ай бұрын
@DeadApostleAncestor10 Super Orion here was considered as his grand archer variant just for the fun of it, since he is the only grand archer we got. Ishtar in this list is the pseudo servant one, the one with an archer container, in which case she has no feats above arjuna whatsoever, even their noble phantasms, arjuna's is superior. Ashwattama is stated to be as strong if not stronger than karna, which is shy he is above arjuna (karna's equal) Kali and Durga are in the jp version only, so I can't get much informations about them.
@cotocoyerakson8195
@cotocoyerakson8195 2 ай бұрын
Gawain: *Struggle but block Gae Bolg.* Coff Coff... That was rough, but I'm winning here. Cu: Oh, you block the first one? More 12 to go then...
@AkutinRD
@AkutinRD 2 ай бұрын
Emiya archer, karna>>
@quigonkenny
@quigonkenny 2 ай бұрын
How are any of these guys Archers? There's not a single red trenchcoated guy wielding swords in the bunch.
@knightofthelake8112
@knightofthelake8112 2 ай бұрын
Cause he is a BUM 😭
@Samuelpaixao9876
@Samuelpaixao9876 2 ай бұрын
Asterios (alter) vs Medusa (alter lancer)
@trueshadowblade5317
@trueshadowblade5317 2 ай бұрын
Class Archer and Saber
@Samuelpaixao9876
@Samuelpaixao9876 2 ай бұрын
I loved ironhide
@Samuelpaixao9876
@Samuelpaixao9876 2 ай бұрын
Asterios vs Percival
@Yama-xd5tv
@Yama-xd5tv 2 ай бұрын
If you are keeping Gil there then you are surely using CCC version, then I think you should also keep CCC EMIYA right below him no?
@knightofthelake8112
@knightofthelake8112 2 ай бұрын
No this is just archer gil
@seyedabdulkaderameerbuhari2085
@seyedabdulkaderameerbuhari2085 3 ай бұрын
Gil is not defeating archer herc 🌚
@knightofthelake8112
@knightofthelake8112 3 ай бұрын
He actually can
@wigiwade5553
@wigiwade5553 3 ай бұрын
Why is chiron not a divine spirit? Isn't he like half titan?
@knightofthelake8112
@knightofthelake8112 3 ай бұрын
He lost most of his divinity along with his immortality after he got poisoned by the hydra venom.
@wigiwade5553
@wigiwade5553 3 ай бұрын
@@knightofthelake8112 thanks, was confused about that one.
@dorianhernik
@dorianhernik 3 ай бұрын
Imo as a counter guardian emiya should be higher. He literally has authority to use alaya's powers
@knightofthelake8112
@knightofthelake8112 3 ай бұрын
He doesn't have authority, the counterforce gives him power necessary to deal with the threat, and mostly in that case he wouldn't be limited to an "archer" class container
@mastermindarc
@mastermindarc 3 ай бұрын
If Karna was the Archer 💀
@Magician89026
@Magician89026 3 ай бұрын
Shirou with Archer Card alone can solo a holy grail war in Fate/Kaleid
@knightofthelake8112
@knightofthelake8112 3 ай бұрын
Class cards are weaker than the actual servants except for shirou's archer card because of the compatibility between the user and the servant
@BORN_TO_DIEEEEEEEEEEE
@BORN_TO_DIEEEEEEEEEEE 2 ай бұрын
and it funny because the feat of fate kaleid shirou was a reference to the statement from nasu that gil could finish the stay night grail war in one day if he was serious
@jaylonchachere2424
@jaylonchachere2424 4 ай бұрын
I know that this will be controversial, but I think EMIYA should have been on here.
@knightofthelake8112
@knightofthelake8112 3 ай бұрын
I honestly can't have him here unless you give me a reason why he'd be here
@jaylonchachere2424
@jaylonchachere2424 3 ай бұрын
@@knightofthelake8112 Aside from the fact that he is a NP spammer in fgo with his skills, the feats that he did during the fate routes even taking down your number 1. While I know if he was serious from the beginning that wouldn’t be the case, the fact that pride is the key factor for his defeat proves that. Not only that I’ll refer you to someone who has done the research on why EMIYA should be considered: kzbin.info/www/bejne/ooXWeHWobpd7f7csi=Aif3k-uc73qGBf_7 and kzbin.info/www/bejne/qpPZkGNqZbqdZ7ssi=YN9BCG0oWrDMN8b8
@knightofthelake8112
@knightofthelake8112 3 ай бұрын
@jaylonchachere2424 I appreciate the reasoning but there's a huge problem in emiya's case, that being speed, emiya gets consistently blitzed by stay night cu, chiron who is the weakest here was reacting and took down Achilles' chariot while it was moving at the speed of light. David fought on par with Hector and one shotted herc with his second noble phantasm, tesla stated he could one shot America with his noble phantasm. Emiya has great showings depending on his plan, but with equal conditions in an empty area with no outside interventions he is not beating anyone in this list.
@alexanderedwards1882
@alexanderedwards1882 11 күн бұрын
​@@knightofthelake8112 I feel like EMIYA should be on the list due to hacks(projecting noble phantasms) but you are correct with the fact that EMIYA struggled in every close up matches. But damn is UBW and copying noble phantasms like rulebreaker making me question.
@mistakemakingmachine1101
@mistakemakingmachine1101 4 ай бұрын
Love 1:32-1:40
@ThisGodIsKirby1986
@ThisGodIsKirby1986 4 ай бұрын
Super Orion Is not a Grand Servant After LB5
@user-rx3dn6uy4c
@user-rx3dn6uy4c 4 ай бұрын
Интересно а если Ку с на ДТ , кто кого
@muigoku2220
@muigoku2220 4 ай бұрын
Speed and agility goes to emiya.
@knightofthelake8112
@knightofthelake8112 4 ай бұрын
Speed is no go, Iskandar has Gordius wheel. Agility is debatable depending on what you are talking about, if you are talking about mobility and acrobatic ability then emiya, if combat/reaction speed then Iskandar
@BATKABatka-do3ip
@BATKABatka-do3ip Ай бұрын
Speed & Agility-iskandar Iskandar's busephalus was manipulating lighting
@muigoku2220
@muigoku2220 Ай бұрын
@@BATKABatka-do3ip If we are considering travel speed then you would be correct but agility and combat speed wise Iskandar isn't faster than emiya.
@adiletsgo7223
@adiletsgo7223 4 ай бұрын
How is Hercules archer type wasnt he berserker
@knightofthelake8112
@knightofthelake8112 4 ай бұрын
In strange fake he was summoned as an archer then altered into an avenger
@-.Outlaw.-
@-.Outlaw.- 4 ай бұрын
Gawain annihilates him…
@Kirschtaria621
@Kirschtaria621 5 ай бұрын
Heracles It's the Avengers
@Emeric_AB
@Emeric_AB 5 ай бұрын
As a new fate fan ive been told that nobunaga was way more stronger than archer gilgamesh so what made you put her so low ?
@knightofthelake8112
@knightofthelake8112 5 ай бұрын
Nobunaga gets stronger against divine enemies, but her basic power is barely around okita's, even when buffed she still struggles against opponents like demon god pillars, ryouma and kagetora, gilgamesh on the otherhand was easily dealing with the eleven off springs of tiamat who are as strong as demon god pillars, + anyone above Nobunaga in this list can one shot her with their noble phantasm due to the massive difference in raw power.
@Hazel564
@Hazel564 4 ай бұрын
nobunaga againt non divine enemies is weaker than you think if she uses it against divine gods she will become way stronger
@elitegamer8008
@elitegamer8008 6 ай бұрын
Only if karna was summoned as an archer class 😔
@Tharusha-Toshuro
@Tharusha-Toshuro 6 ай бұрын
Yeah. He's literally equal to Gilgamesh. Iskandar should cause no trouble for him.
@knightofthelake8112
@knightofthelake8112 6 ай бұрын
Emiya is not equal to gilgamesh and it's not even close, Iskandar could literally turn emiya into chunks of meat with via expugnatio
@Tharusha-Toshuro
@Tharusha-Toshuro 6 ай бұрын
@@knightofthelake8112 For Iskandar fans. Do you know Nameless enough to measure him and Gilgamesh.
@knightofthelake8112
@knightofthelake8112 6 ай бұрын
@Tharusha-Toshuro See why you shouldn't talk about things u don't know? Nameless exists in extella, guess what? He isn't given the rank of a top servant, but hey at least iskandar does.
@Tharusha-Toshuro
@Tharusha-Toshuro 6 ай бұрын
Oh I'm used call Archer Nameless so that's why I called him Nameless. Otherwise even in extella Nameless has forced iskandar to retreat. Are you sure you had enough knowledge about him to make this video. If we're talking about the Nameless in Mooncell he wins against iskandar easier since he can even project Excalibur it self.
@mistakemakingmachine1101
@mistakemakingmachine1101 6 ай бұрын
Also, archer emiya is very FAST. He can compete with heroes with aglity stats A and A+, and he easily destroyed casters master (dont remember his name), what Saber could not do because of his speed Gil in UBW was scared of archer emiya and done nothing when archer told that he will destroy gil and his master if they will not accept his terms about rin. And gil "killed" archer unexpected and in the back because he saw him as a serious threat
@mistakemakingmachine1101
@mistakemakingmachine1101 6 ай бұрын
Archer Emiya is the strongest servant in fate. He can provide any amount of firepower and almost any legendary weapon if he have enough mana
@knightofthelake8112
@knightofthelake8112 6 ай бұрын
Please tell me you are not being serious right now
@mistakemakingmachine1101
@mistakemakingmachine1101 6 ай бұрын
@@knightofthelake8112 Im serious. I like Iskandar, he is a pretty cool guy. But how will he manage to dodge Caladbolg? Or spam with nameless swords or any kind of projected legendary weapons? Only one confirmed weapon Archer cannot copy is Ea, because it is copyright protected (cause it can destroy all creation I think). Archer Emiya is OP also he is one of the most underrated servant from fate. More underrated than him is only assasin from zero (who was simply misused by Kirei).
@knightofthelake8112
@knightofthelake8112 6 ай бұрын
@fefewt4591 I'm also serious, Iskandar literally dodged Excalibur point blank range. + his chariot's lightning is more than capable of blocking any attack from Emiya (all his copies are one rank lower), just watch the Solomon movie, even young Alexander's lightning was strong enough to block lasers from demon god pillars and was even strong enough to destroy them + iskandar's reality marble has more than 10000 servants in it and some are even stronger than iskandar himself, may I remind you that iskandar fought altera one on one in close range and even survived more than 80 gates if Babylon against gil and almost landed an attack of not for the chains if heaven
@RaickLopes-zo9xi
@RaickLopes-zo9xi 6 ай бұрын
​You really haven't read Archer Emiya's lore right? Archer is a guardian. He was born into the world as a kind of defense mechanism which arose from the collective unconscious desire of mankind for continued existence. He was essentially unconsciously elected by the masses to be their faceless representative. He carries out his mission as a guardian following a simple rule, “If some evil appears that threatens to speed up the collapse of mankind, I will eliminate it and all accessories.” He crushes threats to mankind that the masses don’t even know or realize exist. He is, so to speak, a repairman of the ages. If there were ever a time without Archer’s deterrent power at work, destruction would rapidly spread and mankind would soon find itself facing an inevitable “END.” Please refer to the EXTRA game contents to find out why this Heroic Spirit became one of mankind’s guardians. Without the intervention and power of Archer Emiya, all cosmology would be destroyed, the counterforce would be destroyed and humanity would become extinct, thus causing the extinction of the verse. Even though alaya can summon great servants, without emiya's intervention everything would be destroyed, this proves that emiya alone faces beings worse than BEAST, After all, only something worse than a beast for a great servant is not enough. Emiya represents the counterforce and without him all humanity would be exterminated, Emiya is one of the pillars of the verse, the original guardian of the throne and stronger than namaless who is already stronger than everyone in fgo Emiya is only below the arcueid void shiki root, otherwise emiya is on the same level as alaya and Gaya, being the representative of the strengths of both. ​@@knightofthelake8112.
@BATKABatka-do3ip
@BATKABatka-do3ip Ай бұрын
He only beats 1vs1 angra mainyu And he is weakest archer servant💀
@nebulast7478
@nebulast7478 6 ай бұрын
Finalmente veo a alguin de habla inglesa que si sabe leer y entiende como funciona el nasuverso
@_.Sakmera._
@_.Sakmera._ 7 ай бұрын
Alive Gil > Orion > Archer Class
@knightofthelake8112
@knightofthelake8112 7 ай бұрын
Yeah no
@nebulast7478
@nebulast7478 6 ай бұрын
El nasuverso funciona con la escala de poder de dragón ball de seguro sacas tu informa de spacebattle o páginas de vs
@kURo12529
@kURo12529 7 ай бұрын
Archer emiya?
@knightofthelake8112
@knightofthelake8112 7 ай бұрын
Doesn't qualify here, he either gets blitzed or straight up overpowered in a noble phantasm clash
@kURo12529
@kURo12529 7 ай бұрын
@@knightofthelake8112 he pretty weak then ,😐
@knightofthelake8112
@knightofthelake8112 7 ай бұрын
@kURo12529 Well he is very versatile so he is rather much more useful based on his intel on the enemy, but in a fight against let's say chiron with no previous knowledge, he'll just get blitzed from the start. Or against tesla if he starts with his np then tesla's anti-fortress EX rank noble phantasm will just fry him instantly
@dominicviola8908
@dominicviola8908 7 ай бұрын
Emia is the strongest can't change my mind
@CjDagoat-jb2el
@CjDagoat-jb2el 7 ай бұрын
Nameless/CG emiya negs half this list even Gil nameless has mystic code suit so basically his fp unlock he beat bb fought a beast class kiara etc Cg emiya was said to be counter force for anything n have knowledge of everything + beast class
@FirstLast-hd4oe
@FirstLast-hd4oe 7 ай бұрын
I would give it to Tristan because his np is more dangerous and he can spam it But I can see the effort you put into this vid and that you really like Tristan and Diarmiud excellent work
@knightofthelake8112
@knightofthelake8112 7 ай бұрын
Yeah I like all the servants from Celtic and Arthurian legends. Though tristan seems more impressive in terms of raw power, the scaling just isn't in tristan's favor, especially in terms of showings, diarmuid is potentially blitz level above tristan in speed + his spear just cuts through any strings and arrows he uses
@FirstLast-hd4oe
@FirstLast-hd4oe 7 ай бұрын
​​​​@@knightofthelake8112 don't forget diarmiud has higher parameters than Tristan and the saber he fought in fate zero is stronger than ep 2 UBW saber who no diffed cu even if he was ordered to hold back While I do think Tristan is stronger if Bedivere is anything to go by Diarmiud would close the distance pretty quickly though Tristan's cqc is in top 3 of the round table If only he was a saber and had higher parameters than he could win good vid 🎉 btw
@knightofthelake8112
@knightofthelake8112 7 ай бұрын
@@FirstLast-hd4oe Thanks fam, totally appreciate it 🙏
@Gilgameshrei12
@Gilgameshrei12 8 ай бұрын
I know I'm on top
@smzstyle9467
@smzstyle9467 8 ай бұрын
Fate Zero não é canon, Artoria destruiria Diamurd mesmo se ela não usar NP facilmente, você não pode escalar Diamurd de Fate Zero porquê NÃO É Canon. Apenas o Diamurd de FGO é Canon e ele é bem fraco.
@knightofthelake8112
@knightofthelake8112 6 ай бұрын
Bring one source that supports fate zero not being canon, OH wait. You can't 😂 It's just a different time-line, the scaling is the same
@smzstyle9467
@smzstyle9467 6 ай бұрын
@@knightofthelake8112 Yes I can, the creator of Fate Zero is not Nasu. So, yes Fate Zero is not Canon and neither is Scaling. No Fate that was not created by Nasu should be Scaled above a Fate that was created by Nasu, in Fate Stay Night, an extremely nerfed Artoria was still MUCH superior to Chulainn in 1v1 physical combat, and Chulainn is MUCH stronger than Diarmurd . So if it was Nasu writing the story Artoria would destroy Diamurd, since she had a better master than Shirou, but not as good as Rin. In Fate Grand Order which was also created by Nasu, Diamurd literally only picks up weak characters the entire arc like Mash and Florence Nightingale.
@Mikael_Ore
@Mikael_Ore 2 ай бұрын
​@@smzstyle9467 you don't know how Nasu would write Diarmuid, you can be open to changes if Nasu ever confirms your theory, but you can't undermine the little information we do know, beside Nasu approved of Fate Zero even if he said the story would be different, he didn't say his opinion was opposed in any way of how weak or powerful those servants were characterized in the series.
@smzstyle9467
@smzstyle9467 8 ай бұрын
Tristan >>>>>>>>>>
@knightofthelake8112
@knightofthelake8112 8 ай бұрын
Tristan gets low diffed by vlad and gawain at night, diarmuid is on par with lancelot and cu chulainn
@smzstyle9467
@smzstyle9467 8 ай бұрын
@@knightofthelake8112 Chulainn >>> Lancelot >>>>>>>>>> Diamurd
@knightofthelake8112
@knightofthelake8112 8 ай бұрын
@@smzstyle9467 Lancelot=Gawain=Cu=Diarmuid
@smzstyle9467
@smzstyle9467 8 ай бұрын
@@knightofthelake8112 Gawain >= Karna >= Chulainn>>>>>>>>> Lancelot >>>>>>>>>> Diamurd.
@smzstyle9467
@smzstyle9467 8 ай бұрын
@@knightofthelake8112 Diamurd foi considerado inferior ao Beowulf na 6° singularidade. Mano Diamurd é fraco. Tristan tem mais feitos, ele conseguiu causar danos em Barghest, segurar ela por muito tempo e ainda vencer 2 Hassans ao mesmo tempo enquanto lutava contra 3 Hassans e ainda cortou o braço do Hassan do braço amaldiçoado.
@Se_prpductions23
@Se_prpductions23 8 ай бұрын
Gawain slaughters him during the day and cu slaughters him at night
@knightofthelake8112
@knightofthelake8112 8 ай бұрын
Exactly
@91hoangcubu60
@91hoangcubu60 8 ай бұрын
Where karna ??
@knightofthelake8112
@knightofthelake8112 8 ай бұрын
ARCHER CLASS SERVANT*
@91hoangcubu60
@91hoangcubu60 8 ай бұрын
​@@knightofthelake8112bro in mythology he is an archer🥶
@robertovaldez4688
@robertovaldez4688 8 ай бұрын
Me sorprendió no ver a Emiya o a Emiya alter, aunque es cierto que sus estadísticas le quitan demasiado
@Elite924
@Elite924 8 ай бұрын
You had to add the part where Megatron ripped Jazz into two pieces
@maxjulmiste5558
@maxjulmiste5558 8 ай бұрын
I got jazz bruh
@gerard_t385
@gerard_t385 9 ай бұрын
if only Karna was summoned as Archer he would've been at least at top 3
@xenolulsifer
@xenolulsifer 6 ай бұрын
There's archer kama on fgo arcade
@elitegamer8008
@elitegamer8008 6 ай бұрын
​@@xenolulsifer karna as per real mythology is an demi god who uses bow as his main weapon and he was so much powerful than arjuna that multiple gods had to curse karna, his sun god shield being taken away and him not using his ultimate attack against arjuna due to his promise to his mother as he blood related brother of arjuna that was left by his mother so he was elder and superior to arjuna in every way. But he was on the wrong side(i.e against the god and goodness itself) that is why he had to die for goodness to prevail. He himself was really a honest and charitable person though.
@pratyush8741
@pratyush8741 3 ай бұрын
​@@elitegamer8008u are wrong. In terms of pure skills Arjuna was the best Archer. Karna just has Hax which basically made him immortal. There were many instances where that shield of his saved his life against Arjuna So god's have to take out those things first and they did gave him another boon in Return. Though he ended up using that against ghatotkach
@Copyninja007.
@Copyninja007. 2 ай бұрын
​@@pratyush8741yeah, but overall karna would win 10/10 times, because of his bow,armour, he can't loose with his bow in his hand,nothing can pierce his armour in myth.
@sinbaddagoat7890
@sinbaddagoat7890 9 ай бұрын
Gilgamesh solos (if he's actually traying)
@decom4064
@decom4064 7 ай бұрын
Nah, Ashwathama Solos
@nebulast7478
@nebulast7478 6 ай бұрын
La fuente de tu información
@Hazel564
@Hazel564 4 ай бұрын
no not really he have a normal graph meanwhile orion have grand saint graph making his raw capabilities and power stronger than any normal server even gilgamesh even then gilgamesh is almost as powerful as orion imagine if gilgamesh obtains a grand saint graph
@mindwise_200
@mindwise_200 9 ай бұрын
You missed the second spot . The nameless archer.
@prehistoriccreator9600
@prehistoriccreator9600 8 ай бұрын
Look, Emiya is strong, but he's not beating Archer Heracles nor some of the ones that came before. Gilgamesh destroys him by pulling out Ea. If we're talking about overall power, he's maybe above Tristan and Nobunaga. When it comes to overall combat ability then he may be able to get higher
@hououinkyouma1465
@hououinkyouma1465 7 ай бұрын
@@prehistoriccreator9600 brother i dont think so . Emiya not that strong , the most strong thing he can do is counter against Gob , one of the best counter to Gob . His weapon and skill are almost fake and it's jusst too hard for him to win against sir tristan . Tríatan bow is just too op that emiya have no chance to open or casting his ubw . maybe in real fight type moon will buff him ( protangonist , of course ) but a match against sir tristan is just too difficult
@prehistoriccreator9600
@prehistoriccreator9600 7 ай бұрын
@@hououinkyouma1465 First off, ubw isn't the only thing EMIYA has, it's just his most powerful thing. He can still fire swords rapidly just less efficiently. He also has access to multiple Noble Phantasms including Rho Ais, which has a conceptual advantage against projectiles, extremely useful against Archers. He's also able to mimic the strength and skill of the weapon he's using and is actually extremely skillful as complimented by Cu Chulainn, but has an inferiority complex and no pride in his skills. He has Mind's Eye, which allows him to keep up with faster and stronger opponents, as well as reinforcement to enhance himself along with buffs he can recieve from weapons(yes he does get buffs from some weapons). Besides, what does his weapons being fake have to do with anything anyway? I mean, who said a fake can't surpass the original? Also, he could most definitely cast UBW during the fight. He doesn't really need much room to breathe as he doesn't need to do the full chant to summon it unlike other Shirous and it really isn't that hard to believe he could make enough room to say 4 short lines, especially when he has one of the best shields in Fate.
@hououinkyouma1465
@hououinkyouma1465 7 ай бұрын
@@prehistoriccreator9600 hmm , i think u are wrong in this point : shirou said fake can surpass the original one? Yep shirou is wrong , the only thing fake can surpass the original is the cost of mana and quanity with emiya ability . When break , he can instantly trace on a new one but don't forget that mana is limited and emiya don't have a good magical energy as good as rin , his energy is low tier as C if not lower . Also the problem here is rho aias can't protect the user's back , and tristan arow come from many death corner , not only straight shot line like gil Gob so shiled is not the problem here . Emiya is actually extremely skillful? Nah , that because Cú chulain is mid . In the first battle , Cú should have win emiya because his lance is the counter against emiya short blade but no , he couldn't win . The thing cú good at isn't close combat but his speed ( he's faster or at least as fast as medusa in ubw arc ) . Luckily , he did really show his speed in the second battle with emiya after him betrayed shiro group and just nearly win . The only thing i don't understand is why he release his noble phantasm right after then choose to forgive emiya but cú can win without np . Back to the main point , Sir tristan 's attack is dense and just wont give his enemy any room for casting or release their np if they aren't fasst like some of lancer class or rider class ( maybe berserker? Their class have a good dura and they won't need to evade . But just maybe because tristan arrow can easily rip their enemies heart off if they not dodge . Certainly , emiya isn't that fast and has being outspeed by cú chulain and remember that cú chulain speed is at B tier . Btw all tristan 's stats is higher tha emiya 1 or 2 rank . In conclusion , certainly the winner is emiya . Yep u didn't misheard , emiya'll win . Emiya luck is A ( actually S ) and tristan luck is E ( bro tf ) . As u know , luck = plot armor and emiya is just the protagonist of every nasu verse expect where he don't appear and the buff i said wasn't from his weapon but from the story writer. Tristan can only win this fight which have no other influences.
@prehistoriccreator9600
@prehistoriccreator9600 7 ай бұрын
@@hououinkyouma1465 Firstly, no, Shirou's swords were able to break Gilgamesh's, which is mentioned in the VN. Mana isn't exactly an issue for EMIYA like it is for Shirou as he sinply has more mana to pull from or he doesnt need to use as much mana to do things, or a mox of both as seen with him being able summon UBW(which Shirou needed to borrow Rin's mana for) while weakened from not having a master and needing to sustain himself and still not straining himself. Also his Mana is literally a B better than some casters. Just checked the wiki and whatnot, there's nothing about Tristan being able to shoot at angles, just that his arrows are vacuum/wind arrows that goes extremely fast, which can be avoided because Mind's Eye, and if you want to say it's too fast to dodge than Rho Ais still works. Cu Chulainn is like the second most powerful Celtic hero after Scathach as well as the second most skilled, literally Irish Hercules. His strength and speed stats are 2 ranks higher than Emiya's and Emiya can still keep up with him because of Mind's Eye. Diarmuid, who's weaker than Cu, can fight Artoria on even footing and EMIYA stated that Cu was like top 3 in terms of skill when it came to Spearman. As for their two fights, in the first one Lancer was sent to just observe and scout. He used his Noble Phantasm, specifically the thrown one because he caught onto Archer's plan, which was to drain Medea of her mana, which was stated in the VN. Fun fact, Cu was stated to be able to use his NP like 10 times in a row before needing to rest and recharge. Wdym by dense? Again Mind's Eye is a hell of a thing, and EMIYA can force CQC, which he is extremely proficient in. Also, Cu's speed in the Stay/Night series as well as in FGO is *A Rank*. Berserker Heracles stats minimum 2 ranks above EMIYA's except for Mana which is still one rank higher. EMIYA killed Berserker Heracles 6 times, either with or without UBW, and the thing is that if you want to say he used UBW, then you admit that he casted UBW while under pressure from an extremely agressive, faster, and stronger opponent who has better stamina and if not using UBW, he killed Heracles, who is massively stronger and faster and still has much of his skill ingrained into him, 6 times without using UBW, just with weapons he projected mid fight. Also, EMIYA has access to reinforcement, which means he can buff his physical stats, as well as enhance his projections. He literally has Clairvoyance Rank C because of that and Shirou, who's worse than EMIYA at Reinforcement was able to keep up physically with Gilgamesh whose strength is a B. While I know you're just being a hater and whatnot, you aren't exactly wrong with Luck being a certain measure of Plot Armor as it is a ranking of how well someone defies their fate. The only route Archer doesn't get fucked in is the UBW route. In the Fate Route he nearly gets bisected by Saber then while still recovering, fights Heracles and dies. In Heaven's Feel, his spirit origin gets cracked while protecting Rin and the others from the Shadow, and cuts off his arm for it to be grafted to Shirou before he dies.
@user-bone-of-sword
@user-bone-of-sword 9 ай бұрын
Emia be like: what about me
@hououinkyouma1465
@hououinkyouma1465 7 ай бұрын
nothing , i guess 🐧
@RaickLopes-hk6vr
@RaickLopes-hk6vr 9 ай бұрын
The guy had the courage not to put Emiya in second lol. Soon Emiya is at the same level as BB and easily beats Hercules
@knightofthelake8112
@knightofthelake8112 9 ай бұрын
No archer class servant is BB level.
@RaickLopes-hk6vr
@RaickLopes-hk6vr 9 ай бұрын
@@knightofthelake8112 Where brother? Emiya ccc has better effects than gilgamesh ccc, emiya obtained a mystical code that not even gilgamesh could reach, gilgamesh ended up having another mystical code. Emiya can change her stats to EX, gilgamesh and emiya have almost the same feats. When gilgamesh was thrown to another galaxya by BB, gilgamesh had to use a noble phantasm to get back,Emiya did it on speed alone. Emiya gilgamesh ccc>>>>>>>fgo The strongest beings in FGO cannot destroy Avalon, a 6D dimension, Gilgamesh and Emiya are on the same level as BB, an 8D being.
@hououinkyouma1465
@hououinkyouma1465 7 ай бұрын
lost to heracles nerfed in artoria route are u kidding me? even with the plot armor of having the body of the protangonist ( shirou ) and still losing
@knightofthelake8112
@knightofthelake8112 7 ай бұрын
@RaickLopes-hk6vr I can already tell u didn't read the different routes of ccc, first of all Gil and nameless didn't use the same mystic code, each servant u chose uses one based on compatibility with their origin, tamamo uses one to restore her 9 tails, gil uses one to restore his original strength from his myth, nero uses one to access her full potential as the emperor of Rome, the difference between these 3 and nameless is that their mystic codes only restored their original power, nameless on the otherhand had an external buff so it wasn't even his own power in the first place, additionally nothing remotely implies gil couldn't replicate the feat, nameless isn't the only one who did it through speed, tamamo and nero also did it, gil using a ship only reflects his personality which is based on making things easier for himself, he literally had the same stats as them aka the stars and the power to defy the 10 crowns, so it is easily provable that it's a speed feat all of them can replicate buddy. + they defeated BB through luck, they made it clear that her noble phantasm would one shot them if she used it + they were buffed by the magical energy resources from the school. They didn't defeat her because they are stronger, they did cause they had a hax to defy her authority and outside help to defeat her before she can actually fight back. The mystic code nameless had isn't his power, and after obtaining it he was no longer an archer anyway. Ccc gil isn't stronger than fgo, BB is literally an ant compared to ORT or Type earth, even goetia could annihilate her, should I remind you that even in extra ccc, BB wasn't even the strongest antagonist (even though she is way stronger than the mc servants), kiara later in the story surpassed BB and she was still considered weaker than buddha.
@hououinkyouma1465
@hououinkyouma1465 7 ай бұрын
@@knightofthelake8112 im jealous with someone who have a playstation to play fate ccc :< i lost in most of the death battle due to haven't read fate ccc . Also big thanks to you who bring such a useful knowledge .
@hayzen323
@hayzen323 10 ай бұрын
Karna? 💀
@knightofthelake8112
@knightofthelake8112 10 ай бұрын
Did you see any archer karna in fgo? I didn't 😅
@Mike-km9jz
@Mike-km9jz 10 ай бұрын
I see a lot of people overrating Gilgamesh to be honest, he surely has incredible power BUT... he's still an idiot egomaniac, basically he would loose a match coz he cares too much about pride and stuff and being king, shit like that. He could never resist to Nobunaga' Sixth Heaven, he would also understimate her and condemning himself to the downfall. That's the difference between a commander and a king, Nobu knows pretty well to not understimate her opponents or it would sign her downfall, Gilgamesh doesn't... That's why he also lost to Shirō.
@hououinkyouma1465
@hououinkyouma1465 7 ай бұрын
Nah , that pride is the effective from that era . Arccher gil may too arrogant but not that let him lose against anyone . And u ask for why him losing? go check who is the main protagonist of ubw and heaven's feel
@ercterburn1053
@ercterburn1053 7 ай бұрын
You misunderstand Gilgamesh's character his arrogance is based on the fact that "Mongrels" are aiming for his treasure he used to have when he was alive aka the Holy Grail and so he sees people who want to steal his treasure as Irrelevant and unworthy of attention + When he saw the state of the holy grail he understood the state of humanity and as he is clearly the overseer of humanity it angered him that humanity had fallen to such a state and had become so malicious
@quigonkenny
@quigonkenny 2 ай бұрын
That's true. Even though Gil's kit makes him one of the best anti-Servant Servants, he probably would lose pretty handily to Nobu's NP. It's well-positioned to counter Gate of Babylon like Unlimited Blade Works is, and she has an anti-Divine bonus on top of that. Whipping out Ea right off the bat would still take care of Nobu, but Gil's far too prideful to ever do that.