First and second timeline are the same according to your description

Wrath of the Dragon was a different kind of movie. In the best way possible.

Dragon Ball has ALWAYS been about martial arts...

Knowing that but Goku didn't mastered SSJ2 & SSJ3 for daily usage

I loved the character development on trunks ❤

The design is bad. The yellow color is pale and the eyes are barely blue/green

If the sword cut through frieza true, then this mf is cannon in my eyes

So if Vegeta stayed in ssj grade 2, normalizing it by making it his base, wouldn’t that be stronger?💀

Ummm no? We saw he was surprised, and when the planet blew up it was stated Frieza was the only one who survived

Ive always wish we went down the route of them taking the time to master ssj2 & 3 instead of them getting god upgrades.. it just makes ssj feel worthless meanwhile the grind was so hard to attain those forms.

I wish we got to see more of the original timeline and the unseen timeline

Broly defeats that form

When Vegeta went back in the chamber did he obtain grade 4?!?

Hu says Goku is idiot 🫀🫀

"Its WHAT now?" -Cell

Yeah no, it was objectively stupid ans couldn't have been possibly worse Not only Goku reasons that the best strategy is to reduce super saiyan's energy drain, a problem the characters NEVER HAD in the first place, but it becomes utterly useless considering that Goku had no chance against Cell to begin with and Gohan needed ssj2 to defeat Cell (not even the non-canon movies post time chamber training help. In Broly's first movie Goku is absolutely destroyed and wins only due to unjustified plot and Bojack proves to be way superior than ssj and ssj2 is needed, again). It gets even worse in next saga, where both Vegeta and Goku got ssj2 off screen and it's the only form they will use in the saga, they NEVER use ssj as a "base" state, ssj3 is the literal opposite of this concept, where Goku now for some reason thought that a transformation literally uselessdue to it's energy drain was the to-go option and both Goten and Trunks obtaining ssj because one pissed his bed and the other just got it at some point off screen, respectively, just to then get ssj3 and make it way better use of it than Goku himself just by seeing it once. Thank god Super (as always) fixed Z's poor writing. Ssj blue development and the forshadowing of ultra instinct-ego via blue kaioken-evolution in manga are way better than what Z could have ever done with whatever it tried to accomplish with ssj. At the end of the day, super saiyan accomplished nothing. It was not a narrative tool for anything, it didn't defeat any villain, it didn't keep relevance after being replaced, it's whole concept is entirely eliminated by Buu saga and it solved a problem characters weren't even near of suffering in the first place

Mastered super Saiyan man. One of the first transformations i grew up loving

Time Travel Works In Dragon Ball based off Second Dimensional Time Travel, the minute you time travel in dragon ball your interference causes the creation of an alternate timeline. It’s the idea that every time someone travels across the timeline they create duplicate timelines where things can go differently called alternate timelines which stray from the original timeline. It’s similar to The Multiverse’s Butterfly Effect Theory, except in that theory it states every decision you make as a person either creates a Parallel Universe where you made a different choice, the opposite choice usually or it already exists. The Difference is that despite being used interchangeably, Parallel Universes aren’t created inherently by time travel whereas Alternate Timelines are created by Time Travel. Let’s go over similarities and differences between Alternate Timelines & Parallel Universes. I usually call Alternate Timelines low level Multiverses because they usually exist by someone altering time or the events in the timeline which creates them. Sounds similar to The Butterfly Effect in The Multiverse. However By The rules of The Butterfly Effect, Parallel Universes are made by someone making choices in the given moment which creates new realities where the person made the opposite decision. That’s usually how Parallel Universes come into effect. I think the difference being when messing with time, alternate timelines are made but with Parallel Universes , making any decision in every day life creates a Parallel Universe or multiple Parallel Universes where differences happen. The Similarities just being making a decision in every day life creates a Parallel Universe and messing with a Timeline creates Alternate Timelines but Parallel Universes are described to have differences regardless of your choices based on the many worlds interpretation which means they exist regardless of whatever happens to the timeline. Alternate Timelines on The Other hand require Time Travel to occur. The type of time travel in Dragon Ball is Second Dimensional Time Travel which creates Alternate Timelines. Alternate Timelines are Low Level Multiverses. There similar to Parallel Universes in a Multiverse but aren’t exactly the same. Parallel Universes are described to either (be created by any decision you make causing a Parallel Universe to exist where you make a different choice.) or (described to already exist since you making a decision in one universe, naturally there’s another where you made another decision. Sometimes that can be considered to be the opposite decision. Parallel Universes are also described to have natural differences that exist regardless of making any decisions.) Alternate Timelines on the other hands exist by time traveling specifically. A Parallel Universe can theoretically exist regardless of time traveling, but alternate timelines require the action of traveling forward or backwards in time to exist. For Example: Luke Skywalker In The Empire Strikes Back having a vision of his friends in danger and possibly dying if he doesn’t save them fits more into Parallel Universe territory because despite him having what can be considered a future vision through the force he’s only seeing a possibility based on his choices. When he confronts Yoda & Ben Kenobi about deciding to go save his friends instead of continuing his training, under some parallel universe rules , his actions cause the existence of a universe where he didn’t decide to try & save them in order to honor what his friends fight for and train long enough to be ready to face the Sith instead of risking that chance on rescuing them from potential death. That’s an example of a Parallel Universe dilemma. However The Flash going back in time to prevent his mother’s murder on the other hand is more of Alternate Timeline Territory because time travel is involved. That’s more of an Alternate Timeline Dilemma. Alternate Timeline: New Timelines Alternate to the original Timeline when you alter Time (Past , Present or Future) Alternate Dimension: Realms or Reality Usually smaller than Whole Universes and separate from average space in their own bubbles of existence. Parallel Universes: Realities that are created or exist based on your everyday choices & decisions. Any choice you make in life means a reality exist where you did something else, or Realities created based on whatever exists one way in a Universe, will exist another way in a parallel universe. These are the traditional definitions of these terms but people use them interchangeably now and some more modern definitions see The Multiverse and Time Travel as the exact same thing rather then sibling concepts like they were understood originally which further causes this confusion. On top of that modern entries in franchises like DC, Marvel & Star Trek use the two interchangeably so people who are first introduced to concepts like Parallel Universes & Alternate Timelines see them as the same. Sometimes they’ll use them Traditionally like The DC CW Arrowverse with The Flash Show which very well explains the differences between the two. Either way, Future Trunk’s timeline and other timelines that exist are still tied to Universe-7, because there all timelines that exist within the same Universe, just branched off from the prime timeline. Future Trunks Timeline was originally the prime timeline and the one we follow in The Android & Cell Saga was considered an alternate timeline but Dragon Ball Super probably retconned this later because The Gods see Trunks’s Timeline as an alternate future, either way it’s established time travel was crime by The Gods in Dragon Ball which is why Bulma’s Time Machine got destroyed, and since Zeno can have doubles created of him by alternate timelines, that means The Gods & Angels can’t control time travel like they can control The 12 Universes which is probably why it’s outlawed by them. This Implies Alternate Timelines of These 12 Parallel Universes can probably exist regardless of how The Gods & Angels run their limited Multiverse, which to me is fascinating.

They need to bring SAIYAN back

I always like the bleach blonde tone color super sayians had in the cell saga I wish they didn’t change it

Broly it’s not a monster Broly is dreh The devil OH MY GOD HES SO GODDAMN COOL

But then they gave DBS Goku the mentality of a kid!!!!

It makes complete no sense since they switch back to their base forms later on in order to preserve energy consumption, especially in Super (but not only)

THERE IS NO UNSEEN TIMELINE. The Unseen Timeline is a fan theory that attempts to explain how Trunks defeated the Androids in the Cell Timeline. There is NO official information suggesting a 4th timeline in the Z era UNTIL Dragonball Super introduces 3 more timelines to the franchise, including the True Timeline, which is shown in the time ring box in the anime as the Silver Ring. Super lore aside: why would Trunks create an 'Unseen Timeline', give Goku the heart medicine, find the blueprints to the remote, defeat the Androids in this 'Unseen Timeline', go BACK to the Cell Timeline, defeat the Androids THERE, and when ALL is said and done, he doesnt try to time travel until 3 years later. On TOP of that, before Cell killed him, Trunks set the date on his time machine to _four years_ before the Androids wake up. Why would he go back a year prior to his initial travel to let everyone know he was able to defeat the Androids? This would create ANOTHER timeline. Therefore, there simply can't be an Unseen Timeline. People need to reevaluate how they're viewing the continuity before spreading debunked fan theories.

How did Hoi free Minosha? One Earth, Hoi had the Z fighters summon Shen Long.

I highly doubt Vegeta says darn

officially?

Which makes ssb even more dumb cause the fact they have this knowledge but won’t use the same method (anime wise) is crazy

Only for Vegeta two figure this out 7 years later in the buu saga and then even achieve super Saiyan 2 supposedly before majin power boost

I love how only Goku would figure this because of how he is as a character. But showing how Goku's upbringing would teach and reenforce this. Just remember the Turtle Hermit Way: Work Hard Study Well And Eat and Sleep Plenty.

But they don't really ever die, do they? lol

Literally said this the other day. I miss this Mastered Super Saiyan form which then became the 'standard' Super Saiyan. The amount of additional transformations has gotten well out of hand.

TAP-EE-ON is the most disrespectful way to pronounce the GOAT's name

When Goku was actually smart.

This training method was never used again by any of the sayains when they unlocked a new transformation despite how effective it is

Tapion later takes the Time Machine and travels back 1000 years😂 sounds like another butterfly effect, always the sword users.

His name isn't TAP-e-on. It's pronounced TAPE-E-ON

But what trunks warned the 3rd timeline since original trunks got killed by cell

Trunks never reached Super Saiyan 3. Unless grade 3 means something totally different to you? I've never heard anyone in my life refer to a Super Saiyan as Grade 1 or Grade 2 or anything.

Still surprised vegeta, the one who always overthinks everything, isnt the one who came to this conclusion, over the guy whos only goal is keep oushing beyond his limits to get stronger.

Ok so if we have the original timeline’s cell (and simultaneously the unseen’s? Since its sounds like they are one and the same) What happened to the main timeline cell? Did I miss that? The main timeline should have had its own cell as well.

He did not get a power boost, he had it in him.

The only other issue is that our of the 50 scenes you get to use only 2 support giants and there both the same

I don’t know why trunks or Vegeta didn’t do that

I forgot about trunks getting the sword from him too

They should’ve done this with god, at least while they have the whis training outfits

“And so , armed with the sword given to me by Tapion…. Which is a whole….other story…”

What I will never understand is why didn’t Vegeta attempt this after going back in the time chamber the second time

I have a question. If you can stack other forms onto SSG than why didn’t they ever stack SS2 or SS3 onto it? I know it probably wouldn’t be energy efficient to be used effectively but I’d me rad as hell