I run 28mm clinchers on my ultra light climbing wheels and 25mm tubs on a 56mm carbon race wheel. Both are great quality tires (conti 5000 clinchers, Pirelli PZero Velo tubs). In my opinion the ride quality (particularly the suppleness and cornering) is much, much better on the tubs, even if they are narrower. I also think the concerns about mounting and replacing tubs are unfounded. Mounting tubs (especially with tape) is ***waaaay*** easier than installing tubeless. I run 40mm GravelKing SS tubeless on my gravel bike, and I can tell you that was the most unpleasant and messy process. By comparison, mounting the tubs was a breeze... I rarely even pre-stretch them, I just muscle them on and then line them up before removing the plastic tape backing. If I could get a wide tubular and a decent bomb proof wheelset, I would absolutely switch over and tun tubs for gravel. But best I can find are 32mm CX tubs.... bit too narrow for the way I ride. Finally, tubular wheels are ridiculously cheap now that so many people are dumping them. Yes, finding tubs is still challenging (and expensive), but if you can get a good deal on a top tier tubular wheelset, imho it is definitely worth checking out. It *does* help if you're familiar with basic bike maintenance, but even that isn't really a pre-requisite. Tubs are nothing to be afraid about, and are truly a pleasure to ride. It's sad that the entire industry has moved away from them.... they're just fantastic, imho. BTW, not a boomer... just a fan of many cycling disciplines, and a guy who likes to build and maintain his own bikes.
@JoveCanaАй бұрын
btw, thank you for the tip about putting sealant into the tubs.... never even knew that was an option. I guess I've been pretty lucky with tubs....I had a pair of Michelin Power Comps that lasted me 6 years! Eventually decided to change them anyway because the casing was getting shabby. The Pirellis also have an anti-puncture belt in them too apparently, so I'm expecting good things from them. Still, doesn't hurt to try the sealant.
@morelegendaryproductionsАй бұрын
Literally nailed it. Lol glad to see another "young buck" like myself still willing to put the work in to use tubs.
@wayneburgreave74012 ай бұрын
Good advise about the tape instead of using the glue I find the tape can be reused if you have a puncher out on the road as I was able to remove my tubular and replace it with a new one without having to replace the tape I thought I would have to re-tapewhen I got home but it rides perfect .
@p49N2 ай бұрын
when I raced 40 yrs ago, crit lap primes were often donated lbs stock product, including hand made cold process tubulars like Vittoria's natural silk Corsa CGs, and my favorite indestructibles' Continental Competitions, which I ran as a training tire at 145 psi. with not a single flat over 5 year period. Everyone owned a "sewing kit", because we'd have our "Magic Tires' hand made by some 'Hermitage" in Italy, you'd need something to do on the long drives to races. We'd also re-apply this liquid latex like stuff to sidewalls as often the cotton and silk would get exposed over time, because Cold processed tread on the pro quality tubulars easily lasted 10,000, 20,000 kms To be honest, between my revolving door of carbon frames and umpteen gravel and road wheel setups since tub extinction , hot processed tires feel more and more 'dead.
@Geoffsusan1233 ай бұрын
Really great insight, thank you!
@morelegendaryproductionsАй бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it and got something out of the video!
@trinerd3 ай бұрын
Just a bunch of boomers riding tubulars these days, simply because they are stubborn and refuse to accept the facts that clinchers might have always been faster just not lighter.
@morelegendaryproductions3 ай бұрын
You sound super fun
@Triestini4 ай бұрын
I suspect the change over from tubular to tubeless might be something to do with the glue having a negative reaction with the carbon . Tubulars Rule. !
@notpablo83694 ай бұрын
If we have velodrome in our region, id run tubulars on it
@morelegendaryproductions4 ай бұрын
Definitely the best place for them.
@JeffreyWilliams-dr7qe5 ай бұрын
Thanks for doing this.Remains some principle art of a beautiful sport. Look cool and ride , in their own class. I will hold out until the end. Not just old guys fond of bygone greatness.😢
@morelegendaryproductions5 ай бұрын
Of course! Always happy to help!
@julianbailey27495 ай бұрын
I'm now running tubulars on one bike purely as a set of 2nd hand good quality carbon rim brake wheels for tubulars is really cheap compared to getting the same quality of wheel any other way (Fast Forward brand wheels for under £250). They came with 23mm tyres and I have just put 28mm tyres on for comfortable day rides. I will stock up on rim tape and spare tyres in the near future. p.s. if you go in this direction, get carbon specific rim brake pads like swiss stop yellow and you will have really good braking despite the naysayers.
@thru_and_thru6 ай бұрын
I just bought tubular wheels not fully realizing how they work. They were considerably less that clinchers which I couldn’t really afford. So now I’m stuck with them lol and want to give them a try. The tape seeks way less hassle than glueing. But I real a lot of negative things about rapidly being not safe. Do you think this is true? Also with taping the tires vs glueing, when you get a puncture on the road do you just carry a spare tire and some tape in your jersey as opposed to a pre-glued tire? Thanks for the awesome content dude.
@morelegendaryproductions6 ай бұрын
That's exactly how I ended up with my sets of tubular wheels lol. In terms of safety, I have used both traditional glue & glue tape; I haven't noticed any difference in adhering quailty between the two. This includes racing multiple TTs/Triathlons and thousands of miles on a road bike in a hilly area of the US. As long as you stick with Tufo tape and follow their directions or my video on it you will be plenty safe. Personally, I run some tubeless sealant in my tires and don't carry a spare. I don't mind the risk lol. I do think carrying the tape seperate is a solid idea though, just ride slow because it normally takes 24 hrs for it to adhere fully to the rim.
@thru_and_thru6 ай бұрын
@@morelegendaryproductions thanks so much!! Will definitely grab some of the tape so! Cheers
@morelegendaryproductions6 ай бұрын
@@thru_and_thru Always happy tp help bru!
@thru_and_thru6 ай бұрын
I’m back with another question lol. I am just trying to pick up some tape and I see that the Tufo is 22mm wide. I just ordered some 26mm Continental sprinters on eBay and wanna make sure I am getting the right tape for them and they are properly secured on. Would the Tufo 22 do the job or should I get something wider? Also if you have any recommendations for tape definitely let me know what you prefer. Thanks again!!
@morelegendaryproductions6 ай бұрын
@@thru_and_thru So, when choosing the tape it's about the internal width of your rim, not the width of the tire. I guarantee, if it's a road wheel, that 22mm will be the right size. Most modern wheels run around 20-23mm internal width so the 22mm tape is going to typically fit all of them. Also, Tufo is really the only brand I trust. Check out my video about how to glue a tubular tire, all this information and more is in there!
@scottboepple79036 ай бұрын
pirelli just released their P Zero race tub SL....2 years in development and they claim the largest percentage of the pro peleton use tubulars.....as long as iv been using them iv never had a flat.....thankfully.... many 50-70 mile rides on rough chip seal pavement ....and tape is the only way to go....plus the wheels are much lighter.....my 5 year old rovals weigh in at just over 1200 grams with freehub
@morelegendaryproductions6 ай бұрын
Oh nice! Didn't know Pirelli was still releasing new tub tires. Will have to take a look into it and see. But yeah like I said in the video, it's a good system for now so long as companies keep producing the auxillaries for it(glue tape, all price tier tires, etc..)
@veganpotterthevegan5 ай бұрын
Tape hurts rolling resistance. And 1200g isn't that light for tubulars. I have a 25mm internally rimmed disc wheelset that's 1200g. I've had tubular wheelsets under 1000g. Some are under 800g
@scottboepple79035 ай бұрын
wow thats intresting .....that light for a 50mm deep wheel ?
@chrisbenten99716 ай бұрын
So the next video should be on 1) Tubeless Tubular which is made for using sealant and 2) the fact that tubular is still popular with cyclocross due to the ability to run lower pressures. So perhaps you should research the crossover from cyclocross to Gravel riding and does tubular work for gravel? That is where I am at...purchased a used CX bike with Cole tubulars...just because ( I do not currently race CX)...I want to get into gravel and searching for tire and wheel options. Oh...tubular tape is Da Bomb...super easy...takes 15 minutes vs 3 days.
@morelegendaryproductions6 ай бұрын
Appreciate the feedback bru! Gravel/CX isn't an area I would say have a considerable amount of experience in so I would definitely have to do a bunch of research before making a video about it. But maybe sometime in the future I'll be able to make it happen!
@chrisbenten99716 ай бұрын
@@morelegendaryproductions Thanks for reply...really more interested in comments about Tubeless Tubular. I think it can bring tubular close to tubeless/clincher in-ride repair status. When I get my knee repaired (surgery in a few days) I will probably go down this path.
@morelegendaryproductions6 ай бұрын
@@chrisbenten9971 I've personally never heard of "tubeless tubular" tires so I can't really comment on that. Let me know how it goes though! And best of luck on the recovery!
@chrisbenten99716 ай бұрын
@@morelegendaryproductions Challenge tires has Gravel Tubeless Tubular models but not Cross or Road, Tufo tubulars I think are all tubeless, and DuGast-Vittoria are moving that direction with the first coming out in early summer. Looks like the Donnelly Cross tubulars are tubeless.
@morelegendaryproductions6 ай бұрын
@@chrisbenten9971 Ah, copy that. I'll have to look more into that then. Cheers bru!
@gosselinchristian6 ай бұрын
Thanks mate, I don't care about tubular but this is just great content!! made the switch from clinchers to tubeless on my road and tri bike lately and I agree with what you said and would add if your bike shop is supportive it will definitely help
@morelegendaryproductions6 ай бұрын
100%. Thanks so much bru!
@Clashwithbodie7 ай бұрын
Hi! What kind of sealant would you suggest for tubular tires?
@morelegendaryproductions7 ай бұрын
Orange Seal or Silca are both solid options. I typically use Orange Seal because it's sold at REI so I don't have to ever wait for shipping, but that's just because I never remember to order stuff ahead of time lol.
@TrekMercierАй бұрын
Hi. I am new to tubular. Will a 25 mm tire be the same as a 25 mm clincher? More specifically will it build the same height?
@CALegendz7 ай бұрын
Really great video.
@morelegendaryproductions7 ай бұрын
Cheers bru!
@JoeRobinsonJoe7 ай бұрын
You make great videos. Hope to see more.
@morelegendaryproductions7 ай бұрын
Thanks so much bru! Definitely gonna keep them coming.
@tonyjennison31997 ай бұрын
OK I'm middle aged and from the UK, I completely understand the problem. Both of those are specialist tools but you don't own an everyday bike. You mention TI bikes, that's a good way to go in my completely subjective opinion due to the durability of the bikes themselves. Have a Cannondale CAAD but would never ride it to work. Took redundancy last year and that got me some cash seeing as though I landed a new job pretty quickly. Bought a TI Spa Cycles Elan, look it up if you like it's a light tourer, bag on the back, full guards (fenders) but a beautiful machine, I ride it. also bought a Ribble TI Endurance, it's fast but not carbon race bike fast. Then again if I crash it I'll snap before the bike. I'm not scared of riding it. For the money I spent I could have bought one carbon race bike, for the money I spent I got two aerospace grade titanium alloy bikes. I love them both as beautiful things, but in the end it's a tool like a food mixer or toilet roll, you can survive without using them, but why would you?
@morelegendaryproductions7 ай бұрын
Yeah I've been looking into the J Guillem Ti bikes. 100 year warranty on an already almost indestructible bike feels like a pretty good investment to a daily rider lol.
@tonyjennison31997 ай бұрын
if you can afford it pull the trigger. I'm guessing here but in this climate in the bike industry you are more likely to get value from small manufacturers than 'giant' ones, ahem...My Spa elan is TI through axle, full Ultegra, hand built wheels to my spec, the guy rang me and asked what I wanted, ti seat post bla blah blah. It cost £3000 UK, that's about $3800. I think. There's a lot of choice out there if you look past the big companies. @@morelegendaryproductions
@tonyjennison31997 ай бұрын
yup, that's a bike and a half. @@morelegendaryproductions
@SwimBikeRunStu7 ай бұрын
Interesting video. Thanks for making it 👌
@morelegendaryproductions7 ай бұрын
Always happy to help!
@raymundafoakwa11887 ай бұрын
Clickbait no respect
@ariffau7 ай бұрын
Great editorial choice which led to an enjoyable story telling! Content is top notch. Please keep up what you’re doing.
@morelegendaryproductions7 ай бұрын
Thanks so much duder.
@BM-xm1zz7 ай бұрын
Get a set of alloy brake track wheels. Carbon is TOUGH. Trust that that bike and equipment is designed for pro level riders that ride in all conditions
@stpOwner4 ай бұрын
From an engineering point of view carbon is not 'tough' being a measurment of modulus of resilience (area under the stress vs strain curve), but it is strong (high uts).
@Joseminario7 ай бұрын
Never forget the cyclists rule. How many bikes do you need? N+1. What you need plus 1. You probably should have kept the bike you sold while buying this one, but that's also an easy way to become a bike hoarder😊.
@morelegendaryproductions7 ай бұрын
Lol that's exactly why I don't buy into the N+1 rule.
@StanEby18 ай бұрын
Wise words. For a stunt man how fun could a bike be you can't crash? Just kidding. Great vid. P.S. Is that a Norwegian Elkhound?
@morelegendaryproductions8 ай бұрын
Lol yeah the only problem is I tend to break way before the bike does if it's not carbon. No, I have 2 German Shepherds. Jax is kinda a goofy looking one though.
@morelegendaryproductions8 ай бұрын
Fast boi: @safabrian
@thesilentchef8 ай бұрын
This is sick!
@morelegendaryproductions8 ай бұрын
Right??
@ft35749 ай бұрын
nice editing! I can see you are putting effort into making this video.
@morelegendaryproductions9 ай бұрын
Cheers bru!
@szbert11 ай бұрын
Brutally honest! Love it. and it actually was helpful. It gave me a few things to look for when I choose an AXO
@morelegendaryproductions9 ай бұрын
Yeah, definitely make sure you order the correct model for your crankset haha. Don't be like me.
@willywonka2164 Жыл бұрын
How has this worked long term?
@morelegendaryproductions9 ай бұрын
I made a mistake in the model I ordered which meant I haven't mounted it to a bike yet. I'm saving it for a "budget" build that will happen later this year.
@thecatsonholiday5932 Жыл бұрын
One of the most crazy videos I've seen. But anything bike related is OK by me. ❤
@morelegendaryproductions Жыл бұрын
They say to let your personality show through in these videos. So, looks like I nailed it lol.