@@MrSupernova111 I always use an extra set of morel hybrids 6.5 for my rear fill, just the mid itself. I don't like coaxials for the rear. The flax are good speakers. I've never used them in my car.

@@christiandshatto7765 . Thanks for the reply! Cheers!

I had about 1800 watts to them, but my electricial can't truly handle that amperage along with my other amps. Sounded pretty good,and I've since taken them out. I put what I believe to be their "brother" in for a 2 ohm load of maybe 1200 watts. Their baskets look very similar to ac, and I'm going to make a video on that once I have some time off from work.👍🏻

​@christiandshatto7765 Do you know what I'm talking about? It's not power related. 1 watt is all you need to hear it. Do you know how some subs have a soft, mellow sound to the bass, while others are very punchy and fast? It's a tonal characteristic. Same for amplifiers. Some are mellow and some are fast. You do need a fast amp to power a fast sub to really know what the sub is capable of. If your amp is mellow sounding it's going to make any sub attached to it also sound slow and mellow. I've only recently been trying out different brands of equipment and noticing they don't sound up to par. The lack of punchy, fast, tight, controlled sound on the sub is really obvious to me. I wish I knew of a specific name to call it. Because you always try out different brands I assumed you were familiar with it.

@@MrLs1racer I'm running the mosconi pro 430, active to the tweeters and the mids. ( Rated 170 watts rms @4 ohms. The tweeters are almost 6ohm, so they're naturally getting less power than the mids, and they're crossed over 2500hz, LKR, 24db/octave

I would love a pro 5/30 to run my whole system with. How do you think these would do with 70x4 in the mean time. I have a helix dsp and a sony xm-gs4.

That power will be just fine. The hybrid drivers are extremely efficient at 91db. When I got my new car three years ago, I ran the hybrids off the stock 15-20watts for a few weeks till I could get all my amps in.

@@michaelboer6186 they are called nylon pry tools. Most auto parts stores carry them, or their easily found online googling their name. 👍🏼

@@janek6014 focal, 3 way Utopias and jl subs, idk their exact series numbers on the subwoofers

Dużo lepsza od ap f8.9 ?

@@janek6014 Forza m 8.14, Forza m 6 channel, and Forza m 1000 watt monoblock

@@christiandshatto7765 brzmieniowo dużo lepiej gra od ap f8.9?

@@janek6014 I would say yes. However, this is not my car, and this was only a demo.

@@Vegas_Baba808 pro430 on front stage, along with pro 410 for the center and rear fill, signal from aero 8/12 dsp:-))

@@SoleCollector89 no, I've only used the ones before the pro430 & pro410 I currently use for 8 active channels.

@@christiandshatto7765 How do those stack against the 4/30?

Pro430 is better, imo, than the one series- however, I had the older 4/8 one, without the red fans . The pro43o is excellent. Because of space, if I were to do it again, I'd just buy the pro830. I have the newer, black aero 8/12 dsp.

@@jeezy5270 No, these are the newer forzas- in this demo.a c8.14, companion 6 channel , and the forza monoblock. Eduardo used the jl tune, along with focal utopia 3 ways, and jl subs. If you look at my previous shorts, you will see the amps in the back spare tire area of this customer's Audi S4.

@@joegarcia6276 queen Mary by Francine thirteen

@@stevecarpentieri2068 I've had both and they're great tweeters and I've had the altos. I think you would hear the biggest difference by switching to the altos, but they're over 2 inches in diameter .

@@jamiecoulter1923 it is cleaner but I don't know that it's that much more noticeable, unless you have a DSP with digital optical output going into an amp with digital optical input at 96k is when I've noticed the biggest difference

I have never heard the focal amp but it's supposed to be a good. The d'amore amps are one of the best class d, in my opinion.

I would go with morel over the jls, but thats ny ooinion.

@jessewoodworth3888 I've only used the 2ohm- Focal is a very reputable brand, so I do not believe you can go wrong with either set. If you haven't gotten amps yet, consider the mosconi pro series for lots of power👍🏻

@@drrckhamilton I use the mosconi aero 8 to 12 dsp. The audison DSP ,or Helix work good with this too. However, mine is non-factory amplified so I don't know what you would need to do- someone like Eduardo at techno Express or Dean and Fernando at 5 star car stereo will know exactly what you would need to do with the b&O system

@@christiandshatto7765 Your system doesn't use the MOST Sytem? BMW, Mercedes, Audi.....pretty much all of the German system

@@drrckhamilton mine does use the most, but it is not amplified, so the front output of mine has a flat response from 20-20khz, with a slight increase a few db at 500&5khz; I run the front factory output directly into my dsp, and then it converts the signal to low level to my amps. You can do the same with the b&O system, but sometimes there might be an additional piece or harness that's needed coming after the b&O system before it goes into a DSP or DSP amplifier.

@@christiandshatto7765 Interesting! Thanks man. Appreciate your response.

The Car has a NAV-TV unit. Converts the stock time delays to a flat usable signal...TOSLINK out to the DSP amp

@@VRCP please type in your email so we can communicate that way, there's a lot to tell you

@@christiandshatto7765 and thanks

@winchester5566 yeah we have the same car I have the non b&O as well. I like to use stinger ultimate sound deadening on the inside shell of the door on the door and some parts of the door panel itself. If you look at one of my newer videos where I added the morel hybrid component system you'll see my right door panel is off that's just the part of the panel that the speaker side goes in, but I also have the deadening on the other side which would be the outside door panel, if you go for that area as well I suggest putting some sort of a sleeve on your arms so you don't cut them

@larenngui8631 I've used a fiio DAC before but I just currently run the head unit front left front right factory output, which has a full range signal to my mosconi aero 812 DSP, becore the nosconi amps

The factory head unit doesnt give full range to left right...unless u sum it with the sub input, or maybe im mistaken. Thanks

@winchester5566 mine on an RTA shows it being a flat signal except, a 2/3 DB increase @500 hertz, and a 2/3 DB increase at 5K hrtz, no bass roll off

Mine is not, it rolls off from 160hz and below. Amazing sound system..looking forward to it.

Morel is very expensive ,unfortunaly for me cant eard them, i have a mix rebec cs80 midrange , 2way steg me 650CII , amplifier pheonix gold zq 5004 and steg k4 0.1 , jbl gx604 for front sub gladen rs x 08 slim and k4 0.1 for back sub emphaser s4+ and midbass steg , pheonix gold for tweeter and midrange

I thought I had mentioned that the amps were just thrown in for testing( usually they're in the spare wheel well area, plus I left the rs door panel off intentionally. You can check it out on 12volt clean wire club on fb., or my other video labeled mosconi aero 8)12 direct dsp) thanks for watching👍🏼

​@@christiandshatto7765 how is the aero dsp in sound quality ?

So far, and I've used everything, except helix/brax, one of the best. It gives you the ability to control so many different factors. Which is why I believe it should be considered 'flag ship'. I was fortunate enough to try the new audison SW and I really liked that one too. In the future I will demo arc, and helix. The key to dsp, in my opinion, is spending time using it to learn it. Save your settings that you like, then try different settings/features so you understand/hear the difference(s). And, if you don't like it, reload previous saved settings, or start over. Changing speakers, amps, etc., can cause your tune to change, need adjustment too.

@@christiandshatto7765 yes exactly , you need good dsp for full parametric tuning but also good installation, even with highest gears if the install dont follow that nothing but at least the tuning should be crazy , that not every one can tune a car to perfection, i think my last step going to be that

I look to change my DSP is the pheonix gold 8.8 that not a full parametric EQ and maybe i can have better sound with other Dac inside the dsp

@@Jluong538 I prefer the sound of the hybrids over the carbons.

The Maximo 3 way is simply the ultra 2 way with the ccrw2. 5-( I've never heard them, the maximo ultras, so I can not comment on them. I have heard the 2.5s because I used to have some in my dash, and they sound wonderful for their size and their rate! Dean says they( maximo ultra 3 ways , are the best value 3way on the market! ( I believe their rms power handling is less than hybrids.) Could I use them with the mosconi amps I have? I could, as long as I would keep the levels lower and not put them into distortion. 👍🏼 Btw, THANKS for the comment!

@@tretruelove1287 There is absolutely nothing wrong with d'amore amps. They are at half their rate because Tony needs to get his current limiting amps to the market. ( They'll be going in my Daughter's car.) If anybody is going to make an investment in Mosconi amps, I would suggest save the $$ & buy the pro830 with the dsp built in. That takes up less room, gives most people the needed channels, and YES!, there is a difference in output, thus their rate. Both 5Star, and TechnoExpress, sale A Lot of ALL Mosconi series amps.( Probably the pro series the most.) For reference, I'm in my early 50s, yes I'm older than Dean! " Back in the day", I had to work OT, long nights, & STILL it typically took me 3 months to buy a single phoenix gold amp. ( Would I ever spend $80k on an entire brax system, nope. That is well out of my budget/league.) SPL guys spend more $$$$$$$$$ than I ever have performing massive electrical upgrades to get the current they need for their 10-30k watts bass builds. Look up the cost on high output alternators, and some of those guys are running 2,3,4+ alternators!

You want to grab the signal after the factory amplifier- also, any audio control product can handle up to 40 volts RMS of high level input, so your lc5i can handle it no problemo,👍🏼👍🏼😄

@@charles4750 Mike's helix system in an b9platform A4 is on my channel, located at the shorts/files. Taken around February, 799 views. Labeled as "Mike's helix A4". If you have Instagram, there are pictures from TechnoExpress, Eduardo's shop here in Orlando.

@@drrckhamilton I have no idea. That would be cool 😎. I'll check their website tomorrow, and download the SW.

I am looking forward to seeing your findings on this. Audison has lately had really good software

I got to test the c8. 14 amp, & liked the new SW. I just need more power than that amped offered, even bridged.

​@christiandshatto7765 Oh wow.......really?

Is that the largest model they make?

@@LuisGonzalez-ds5mj at the time, early '21, I don't believe the audison for mine was available, nor did I know of the mosconi hareness for non amplified mmi systems. However, I could add them now, or if I ever choose to put everything back should I sale the car.

@@christiandshatto7765 How are you getting the signal for the DSP audio imput?

@@stevemaniaci4750 amazon- dmm& o-scope, liumy.

@@daveroski it's a difficult question to answer to be fair bc I've only heard the audiofrogs in jacobs(?) , Andy's son's volvo over a year ago. My K2s measure between 2.8- 3.1ohms, even though they are rated 2. I typically run morel, preferably hybrids, and I've used the elate carbons before too. As I'm getting older, and experiencing 'hearing loss', I purchased the K2s for a few reasons. #1, I want a bright tweeter, as they've been described by many. To my ears they do not seem 'bright', rather more detailed, and present. Secondly, I was able to get this set with about $500 off the normal msrp. So, I figured why not give them a try as the are a reputable brand. I have been running these since January, and haven't switched them out. I run them active from a mosconi aero 8/12 dsp, to a mosconi pro430 amp. ( I may be trying the morel 8" integration comps. in the near future.) There just never seems to be enough output, imo. Hence the possible hearing loss, and the inability to replace my factory head unit. If you try the K2s, let me know what you think, and thanks for watching/commenting👍🏼

@@christiandshatto7765 Do they see open and airy? Now that you broke them in more, are they getting better? Did you do a good tune on them?

They are broken in, and sound wonderful for my front stage. I don't use that word "airy". I think I know what you are asking. Are they full, and fill the space for the sound stage? Yes, yes they do. So much so, that even though I installed the newer km3 for my center, I've turned that off now, as I was losing detail. (Previously, I had the center 3" at a minus 6db, & I was running the audison apf8. 9bit amp, which helped to make the front stage fuller. There are so many factors that effect this.) With the pro430 I continued to listen with/without that center speaker, and to me it currently sounds better without it.

@@christiandshatto7765 awesome. Thank you ! Happy 4th!

@@christiandshatto7765 I think I’m trying to say wide sound stage for airy. Not like it’s playing in a closet but a wide open area

@@vetteman0071 I believe the focal midbass is better. I sold my elate carbons so I never got a chance to try them on the mosconi pro 430. The morel hybrids are my favorite because they have a higher sensitivity & sound wonderful

I like the 430. However, in the near future I'll be testing the morel LE amps with burr brown op amps. Which has always sounded best to my ears. ( I will NEVER put my morel mps amps for sale:-)

@@christiandshatto7765 The Morel Amos are great. They How are you liking the Focal KX2’s? I’ve been a huge Focal fan for 22 years. Still haven’t heard anything better. Gladen Aerospace are also great sounding.

Never heard of it? ( Slash 6?) This was lent to me to test from 5Star car stereo