Almira, thanks for your honesty about not knowing exactly how change is going to happen. None of us know. Ballot initiatives are promising on so many levels.

Great history lesson! Glad Joyce remains positive and tenacious!

Thanks for uploading - good to relisten! ❤It took me a while to figure out this wasn’t new: it may be worth adding the original release date in the description so people know, particularly because some guests may say things that about what’s going on “now” and then a later listener might end up learning the wrong thing

Fighting the good fight ! - Lots of interesting stuff in this discussion: EU laws, meat tax, etc... Crazy that animal groups can't sue, but environmental groups can. Animals are sentient beings and need advocacy. The environment is important for habitat reasons - for sentient beings - not as an end in itself. Damn CAFO's are an environment. You are an environmental group. PS: Where are the promised links in the show notes? - kzbin.info/www/bejne/aqW0aKFmatmrrbM ?

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