Thanks, I will let my wife know too. Nothing professional, just informative.

Thanks again, Paul. Rus.

Hello Paul. Thank you. Yes, it is a very nice boat. I may be making it available for sale. Have not committed yet. Rus.

Hi Steven, it is my understanding that the mast should be set such that it is parallel to the wind. There is no standard degree setting. It is based on current wind speed and direction (apparent, not true) based on boat speed. You want the mast to direct the wind onto the sail in a non-disruptive fashion, not to act as a forward flap/slat such as on an airplane. This was my first time sailing the boat and I may have had the mast rotation set too tight on this initial outing. Thanks for your thoughtful input and please direct me to an educational resource if my understanding is incorrect. I am assuming that too much angle on the mast would cause wind disruption on the windward side of the sail and potentially lead to luffing due to the decreased pressure at the windward luff of the main. In any case, the leach tell tails were streaming nicely. I have simple plans from Mark if you get me your email. I have thought about selling the boat but haven't listed it yet. I have too much stuff. Rus

Also, apparent wind higher on the mast will be more forward than lower on the mast.

Hello Glenn, the mast was also built by Mark. I tried some of the links that showed its' construction, but they no longer appear to work. I will have a maintenance/repair video uploaded in a few months that will show some mast details. It is primarily ply, wood blocking, foam, and glass, with a slotted tube for the sail track. Well made and light. Here are some links that might help you with finding the photos of the mast build: smalltrimaran.co.uk/drifter-17-trimaran-building-plans-now-available-in-pdf/ smalltrimaran.co.uk/building-the-drifter-17-trimaran-interview-with-mark-gumprecht/ Ok, here is a better one: www.boatdesign.net/threads/multihull-structure-thoughts.62361/page-60 Good luck, Rus

"Total crap"? The many videos of the gun being shot with no issues using expensive ammo by skilled users would not appear to jive with that. But I am not here to debate it. The gun works fine when used as recommended. My use in this video gave it every chance to not function properly. It works just fine now with upgraded ammo and break-in, as several folks have also experienced and provided feedback.

Hi caesar, it is a less expensive gun and requires cycling and heavier rounds. Not a negative necessarily. I would just rather shoot cheaper stuff at $9/box than $25. It is currently loaded with heavy/expensive stuff while sitting in the closet. I looked at some red-dots but didn't buy. The battery would probably be dead when or if I had to use it. Just point and shoot is pretty accurate at close range, or in the dark. Sounds like your wife has a calmer trigger finger than you? I have a few guns but don't shoot a lot. Including an AR set up for competition shooting and 1954 303 Enfield that I rebuilt and is currently on the wall plaque I built - with both spike and blade bayonet and bandoleers. Have fun shooting with your wife.

Hi, you have to get me your email somehow. Put it in a reply.

Hi, I have rudimentay plans that the builder drew. If you have built a boat before they can be useful. Get me your email and I will send to you.

Hi, yes the electric motor is about 30 pounds. Not heavy.

Actually, it is about 15 pounds!

Nope, didn't hear a thing. Sold this boat - I now own a trimaran.

"Error, the middle body should be 1.5 m more". Hi, please explain your statement. There are few hard and fast rules in Trimaran design. The boat performs beautifully. It is designed to be a minimum length, self-contained, for one person. Your statement makes it a two-person boat, heavier, and harder to store and transport. You are welcome to build yours to your chosen dimensions. Rus.

Hi Jared. And who might this "pro's" be? EProps didn't have a definitive answer, and I pressed them in several emails, but they did agree I should try the next shorter prop they offer for the Bailey with Quick Release System and agreed to sell it to me at a "discount" price of $270US plus shipping. Bailey no longer sells this frame (not designed for a trike) but does still offer parts, and they are not located down the street to drop in and ask questions. I have written earlier about the inadequacy of the Matrix frame in triangulation and subsequent stiffness. I am trying to work around that. I was using the prop recommended by Bailey, but possibly those specs are for their new frame? Bailey originally sold their kits with Helix props. Mine came from the previous owner with an old style (skinny) EProp. Between the cage/frame flex, prop flex, large glider, rough ground, and poor piloting, well, you see what happens. I am sure another dealer would be happy to sell me their product $$. This is happening on the ground so I think I will continue to work on it on my own. I have video from my last flight my wife took from the right angle that gives me some information to work with. A prop strike from dumping the trike is self-explanatory. Thanks. Rus

Hello Mr. B. I would call them inexpensive bird shot. I purposely bought them to test. As I showed, after about 40 rounds they actually started to cycle the gun and went through one rapid fire of the mag cleanly- I missed turning the camera on for that. I also clearly state I am not a professional shooter. Other shooters of this gun have had the same issue and overcame it purchasing expensive high brass rounds. I have some also that I have not shot yet. Maybe someday I will. Thanks. Rus

Hi Jared. I would go directly to their website for CFM info. When only using the photo panel for power, yes, it is variable based on sun exposure. I can hear the speed constantly vary as clouds move through and speed up and slow down as morning and evening transpire. When plugged in and using the power supply, the speed is constant. I only use the solar as the power supply seemed to run the unit all night - looking for 70 degrees as a auto shutoff. 70 is too cool a set-point in my opinion, thus wasting electricity. Nights are easlily 70+ this time of year in Ohio. Rus.

Hi, try what some other responders suggested - lock the slide open for a few weeks, or cycle the slide several hundred times by hand. Maybe you should not have bought the 410-gage version if the expense or finding ammo is an issue? Rus.

@@RusinVanDyke Thanks for the response. I'll try locking the bolt back for a month or so. I have a healthy stockpile of .410 ammo but hate to deplete it faster than I can replenish with the availability being what it is. Yeah, In hindsight, I probably should have gone with the 12 ga., especially for a range toy.

Hi, I agree with you. I have a box of Black Aces that I have yet to shoot. I did have fun shooting the cheap stuff at $9.50/box even with the cycling issues. The gun eventually did cycle 5 rounds of the cheap stuff smoothly that I missed filming - as I mention in video. Thanks. Rus.

Hi, I am located in Lorain, Ohio, and sail out of the Polish Fisherman's Club launch behind the water treatment plant, or the launch in Sheffield Lake, Ohio. Both are within 2 to 3 miles and free. The sailing in this video is outside and inside the Lorain Harbor. Rus.

Hi, yes, she is well designed, responsive, and quite good looking. Just as a "she" should be. Trimarans are particularly well suited for having an easy entry and exit into the water. Put a fresh cover on her yesterday, as we had a storm that blew out the old one. I was standing there when it happened. A Harbor-Freight silver variety that was almost one year old.

Hi bbj. I wrote "cocked" below in one of my responses when I meant Locked Open, as you suggest. I recall seeing references to your gun in a YT video as an earlier version of my gun. They redesigned the safety and switched the bolt arming pin to the opposite side, and some other stuss. I sure prefer shooting up a box of "light" ammo at $9.50 from WalMart versus $25.00 and up elsewhere. Rus.

@@RusinVanDyke I know what you mean about ammo prices. They are getting crazy. Since locking the bolt open for a month it will run low brass now. I love these bullpups so much I went and bought a second one. Its the century arms bullpup. Love these things.

That is a question not typically asked of a private owner by a stranger, or answered directly by me ... I just looked up a retail price on a Dragonfly 25 - about $80,000 plus VAT plus shipping. So, allowing for age and 8' shorter length you can come up with an approximation. I take my time, educate myself, do my due diligence, and watch for what I have determined is a good price when making a purchase, thus seldom overpay. That means someday when I sell this boat, after keeping it in good shape and making improvements, I should be able to offer it at a good price to someone else - plus tax and shipping. How much do you think it cost, plus tax and delivery? (Hint: delivery was kept reasonable at $1000 as the seller was headed my way on other business.) Rus Some links- www.theyachtmarket.com/en/boats-for-sale/type/sailing-boat/multihull/trimaran/ www.boattrader.com/boats/type-sail/class-sail-trimaran/ Here is an interesting tri at a "lower" price point plus tax plus shipping/delivery costs: www.boattrader.com/boat/2022-trimaran-searail-19-8906713/

Thank you. I agree with your assessment. Below are some links that I have posted under other videos. One link that was informative is no longer active. You can do additional Google searches using information from these links. This is the only "Drifter 17" that was built. Mark is very creative and moves on to other projects/boats quite readily. Last time we wrote, he had moved to the Azores. Like you, this is the boat I was looking for, and meant I didn't have to build one. Eventually there will come a time to sell so I would recommend anyone interested keep up to date on new videos I post that may advertise the sale. Right now, it is too smoky from the Canadian fires for me to be motivated to go sailing. I do have plans to sail the islands, then to Canada and back, on a route to put me out of sight of land. www.boatdesign.net/threads/multihull-structure-thoughts.62361/page-60 smalltrimaran.co.uk/building-the-drifter-17-trimaran-interview-with-mark-gumprecht/ nauticaltrek.com/bateaux/essai-trimaran-drifter-17/ and this new one ... trimarans54.rssing.com/chan-13346167/latest-article4.php Rus

@@RusinVanDyke Thanks for all the info. Really cool that she's a one of a kind! She looks like she'd be perfect for the Texas 200 that happens in June every year. ⛵🤙

If I still owned the boat I would give it a try. I believe just loosening tension on the board/cable when fully down would also have worked. Only thought of that after selling. Really like your short videos; spent 30 minutes viewing.

@@RusinVanDyke thank you! That’s really nice to hear.

Hello James, I bought mine a couple years ago and it appears that fellow has retired - he had the best price. Here are two options - store.ruddercraft.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=60&product_id=129 defender.com/en_us/wavefront-tillerclutchx-kit?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIu9f-r9PA_wIV6MzICh3m0An1EAQYAiABEgLWafD_BwE#615=36917 You should try searching to see if there are less expensive sellers. I have the standard tiller clutch and use it regularly and like it, especially when the boat is well balanced. Good luck. Rus. wavefrontmarine.com/

Hello GW, sounds like a nice, manageable trip. Not familiar with the area but Googled it. Lots of protection, it appears, at your destination. The M17 is a nice looking, very capable boat. Stiff enough to handle Lake Erie. If alone, I highly recommend an auto-steer to allow you some time off the helm to move around, and less stessful rigging. I have yet to be in the water as our cool Spring has not warmed the lake sufficiently to be comfortable/safe for solo sailing. Got some boat painting done though. My plan is to do the Islands, then Canada, and back to US while out of the sight of land while crossing - 5+ days. Covid restrictions are removed, making it simpler. Let me know if you are going to launch from Lorain and if I am available I will provide assistance/ recommendations if I can. Allow a full day for Lorain to Kelley's (you are a little slower then me) and check your weather window! I have launched and then slept on the boat to get an early start. rusvandyke at yahoo dot com.

Hi Ron, I just read that the other day too. I have also read that dry racking the gun a few hundred times can help, rather than running rounds through the gun. I just priced high velocity rounds (1500+ fpm) online at $3.00/shell - OUCH! I won't be using those to further break the gun in. No doubt the Winchesters I used are just potent enough to cycle this gun, at 40 cents/shell. It was fun when I put five rounds through it as fast as I could pull the trigger - I missed turning on the camera for that. Rus.

Hey sir, thanks for the video! I have this same BTS with the same cycling trouble. Does yours run smoothly yet, and if so what did you do to the gun? Thank you for any insight!

​@@ElHossoLive Hi, I bought some more ammo but haven't shot the gun again to test it. I don't know much about shotgun ammo, but there was a fellow at Dunham's that was helpful. I bought a box of OO - 2 3/4" and a box of 3" #2 shot @ 1550 velocity - $24 and $20 (on sale). He told me the 3" shells will all have more gunpowder and give better cycling. Slug shells will also have better cycling power but are more expensive and not what I want to use for home defense. I just watched a video of a similar bullpup model that did not cycle properly with "game shot" shells like I used, but then cycled fine when fired with 2 3/4" OO shells. You can also try dry racking the gun several hundred times (cheaper than shooting), or store it cocked for a few weeks as someone else suggested. I am OCD about gun cleaning so not in a hurry to test the new ammo. Anyway, it is certainly less expensive shooting the game shells from WalMart @ $10/box, and they may start to run properly after break-in as I start to show. Let me know how it works out for you. Rus.

Hi Jack, Thank you. I see other videos on KZbin showing older and lighter fellows doing a lot more, but deadlifting was never my best lift - max 440 at a meet in Nebraska a long time ago. Once a year I get to cycle up for this. Didn't peak the way I wanted this year but still managed. Rus.

Hi John, sorry, I must have missed your post. It is a Garmin Instinct Solar. I got mine for about $170.00. www.garmin.com/en-US/p/679335 Rus

Hi K S. Good advice. I was going to do that until I saw all the other reviews of this snow thrower in action with snow already posted. Did not think another one would be useful. Rus.

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Hello Eric. Mark designed/built the boat for himself when he lived on the NE coast. He then moved to Colorado where there was no opportunity to sail. He has designed/built many other boats. He sold it to a fellow in Nevada that "loves" tri's and owns several - but then found himself in a position to sell several, advertising via Ebay. I was shopping around for small tri's with a cabin and spotted it, did my Google "research", sent emails and made phone calls - spoke with Mark, made arrangement for shipping to Ohio, and then made the purchase. I previously watched, with interest, your build videos and will follow up with viewing your new posts. While fun, the Squirt would be a challenging wet ride on Lake Erie in any decent N wind - as was the WindRider 16 I previously owned. Thank you for your kind words. Rus

@@RusinVanDyke yes, I’ll bet your waters get “big” there! Plus, Texas is warm! Thanks for response. You lucked out, one-of-a-kind. A really fine boat, nicely built and wonderfully designed.

Hello Christofer. Thanks. I will try to get some video from different positions on the boat, but when the wind is blowing and the boat is moving, it is not safe for the camera or me to be placing a priority on camera work. I also don't have any good attach points - no railings and such. I do this for fun, so no drones. Too many of them going in the water on the other channels I watch. I stayed out of this last video due to pre-cancerous medication making my face look a disaster - red, scabby, and crusty.

@@RusinVanDyke Yeah I know, its not easy with the drone at all. I try to send my drone up when the wind is light. But the landings are scary. I have mounted a camera pole in one of my hatches. Works great. Can send you more detail how I did if you want. kzbin.info/www/bejne/pniveGqXhcedj9E

Hello Cullen. I only have to make sure there is nothing that can freeze, and I remove the batteries as they don't like cold temps. I cover the bottom of the amas with plastic wrap to eliminate chafing due to the silver Harbor Freight cover moving during winter storms; 40+ winds sometimes. I also place cardboard at higher chafe points on both amas and mast where the cover makes contact. I decided to let paint work go until Spring. I have other things to do and outside conditions this Fall are too wet and windy so far for acceptable results. I pretty much sail alone. Not being in a marina around others, and not knowing anyone else, I just make my own plans. I am just that way with most everything I do. Makes planning easier, I guess. Maybe always sailing smaller boats is the reason? While I had a very calm anchorage that night, for the Brown's football game that Sunday, during timeouts while showing off city and waterfront, they showed a surfer in full wetsuit on 5ft waves off the beach where I was anchored! A safe haven should always be in reach on the Great Lakes - they can get "mad" quickly. You take some nice photos. Rus.

Edgewater gets fantastic surfing waves on a strong NE most people wouldn’t believe it. I agree the GLakes are no Joke. Safe anchorages are few and far between on Erie. My backup plan(s) is a Sea Anchor or if nearing shore a heavy @20# mantus with 200’ line and 20’ chain. I sail a Montgomery 17 1600# tough little boat.

Hi AV, I use an Akaso V50 Pro that has similar mounts. I am not open to mounting something to my head - too easy to get knocked off on a sailboat, and it looks stupid. I will take a look at mounting it to the solar panel mount, but not sure if that is high enough to clear the cabin for good effect. It is fine if I am not in the picture. Rus.

Hi AV, thank you for your kind words. I could do much better in filming/describing things, but I am not doing this for anyone but myself, frends, and family - I am also not monetized or that motivated. Someday I will sell the boat and these videos might also be helpful in that regard. Figure out how to get your email to me safely and I can send you the very basic plans that Mark provided me. I was poking around on Ebay looking for boats when I came across the ad for this tri. I moved quicky when the price was reduced and changed to "Buy Now". Cost another $1000 to deliver to Ohio from Nevada. I will have another video up in the next couple of weeks or so. Rus

​@@RusinVanDyke Hi Rus, would def love to see a copy:). I am a bit vary of my email being snapped up by some spambots so instead of posting it here, I hope I can get you to go the slight extra step of pressing my Profile Avatar (That "A" in the circle). That will take you to my channel and there, you will find an "About" section and at the bottom there will be a button to click for contact details (my email). Thanks!

Samuel, I would be more concerned with using the winch to raise the main. With my boat if I don't make sure that all pressure is relieved from the main it can be very tough getting it fully raised. The bridal consists of a top shackle and two bottom aluminum and plywood support brackets. The top shackle attaches to the mast about 6' up at a stubout. The port and starboard brackets slide onto the Jenny pulley track and get secured with two screws into 1.5"x3"x1/8" SS plates mounted to the deck. The bridal is removed after raising and lowering the mast. I leave it in the car. Stop this video 15 secs in and you can see the "stub" on top of the mast between the amas. kzbin.info/www/bejne/kJivlXugg8h_oLc While you can see the brackets later in the video, I don't have good shots. I also had some extra lines I used the first time rigging, running from the brackets to the gin pole as I was unsure of what to do. Mark set me straight. Here are mast build pictures. smalltrimarans.com/blog/self-built-mast-for-small-trimaran/ Rus.

@@RusinVanDyke thanks for your comments. For mast raising I will use something similar to your setup. I am surprised that 6' is enough to hold the mast stable during raising. Greetings Sam

@@SamuelLanghorn Sam, as long as the mast is light (mine is) and the stays are kept fairly tight then there is not much load on them and 6ft works. (Any higher and it can't be reached to disconnect when raising mast.). Different story if the mast is heavier and gets to drifting too much to the sides. If you can design something that can be left in place for the deck attachments, without being a tripping/snagging hazard, that would be preferable to removing and installing brackets each time. There are hinged rings available that might work. Rus

@@RusinVanDyke thanks for your comments. I will probably go for permanently installed brackets. Greetings Sam

Hi Samuell, I only used this anchor once, in tandem with the Lewmar when space was tight and I couldn't put out much rode; as shown in one of my videos. Probably the FX7: fortressanchors.com/anchors/fortress-anchors/ The primary anchor I use, as it is smaller and stored in the forward compartment, is this: www.amazon.com/Lewmar-2-2-Lb-Claw-Anchor/dp/B000N9V8UY/ref=asc_df_B000N9V8UY/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=241946017885&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=9403873492167599210&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1023798&hvtargid=pla-653439233680&psc=1 Both anchors came with the boat. Rus

@@RusinVanDyke Thanks, from the pictures it looks like Mark Gumprecht did a great job 🙂 I just got a 17lbs Mantus for my 23 trimaran (still building it). Before I used a Danforth knock off from Walmart on my outrigger sailing canoe, it was practically useless here in the San Francisco Bay. Greetings Sam

Hi Samuell, here is a link to the winch. www.forespar.com/products/winch-marelon.shtml Rus

@@RusinVanDyke thanks for the details and the link. Are you happy with the winch? in some reviews I read that the plastic material does not hold up..... probably all depends how you use it. I think this winch is all I need. I will expect to use it for raising the main and maybe the jib sheet.

@@SamuelLanghorn I just read those reviews too. I don't use the winch handle so have no experience with the plastic not holding up. I just grab the line and pull! I also allow the jib/jenny to backwind first, then release the upwind sheet while quickly taking two wraps on the leeward winch and fully sheeting before it loads up. Makes for no effort to be fully sheeted. If necessary, I will then release some tension. With the Jenny having to go through the slot between its halyard and the furled jib, backwinding really helps guide it through. Otherwise, I have to seesaw the lines to clear it. You will have a larger rig to deal with (?) so I would contact the manufacturer and get their advice/input. You may need something stouter based on the complaints we both noted. Good Luck. Rus

Hi Cullen, If not for the batteries running low it would have been almost boring .;-) The bascule bridge. further downstream in Lorain, was dedicated to Charles Berry - Medal of Honor, Iwo Jima. Since I primarily worked in the railyard section of the Mill, I don't have good overall knowledge of the other sections. And, it has also been many years. I did pick up some info from friends that worked other sections - i.e., wearing wooden soled shoes while "popping lids" on the coke ovens. Thanks for watching. Rus

Hello Cullen, the one negative to me is the two hour set-up. And I won't pay for mooring or dockage so that won't change. Yes, this small tri was well designed by Mark. I looked at smaller commercial built tri's and they were just too expensive, especially when shipping and exchange rate is added - would love to own a Dragonfly 25! The F31R is a powerful boat. I prefer staying on the Great Lakes for sailing with the better winds (there is a reason they are called the Great Lakes; hint: they aren't small). Planning on going out tomorrow and maybe meeting a fellow that is interested in looking it over. Running out of fair weather here. Too much sun skin surgeries and other travel have stunted my sailing opportunites. Thank you for your kind words. Rus

Hi Rus, I hear you on the 2 hour setup. It takes us a lot longer. I'm hoping to streamline our setup. I have found the "Sailing Tips" channel to be really helpful. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jZyXZYd-fNCgrqc This video shows how he raises and lowers his mast easily. He has a lot of time saving tricks. Cullen

@@hoopaa6231 Good video - I am not that motivated to make this type of video as my boat is a one-off. I remove my side stays because they are Dynema and I don't want them seeing any more weather than necessary (5 mins). In my first video of setting up the boat in the yard, I show the removeable attachments that Mark designed for side support of the mast, and the lightweight gin pole (that I tied to wrong and luckily didn't break anything). He also designed a roller for the rear support, with a removeable fixed support (used while on the road) with built in tiedown. (This rear support structure is removed and replaced by the solar array while on the water.) The mast base slides onto the ball via a slot in the delrin base (you can find photos online from Mark's build). Then the trailer winch is used to raise/lower. Very smooth, but still a nervous time. The mast must be raised out of the water as the amas must be lowered and in place to attach the sidestays before raising. Just got back from a two-day weather window sail to Cleveland (video upcoming). My wife was able to stop while I was tearing down and saved me 15 mins off of that 2 hrs - taking off fenders, clearing snagged lines, grabbing odds and ends, and loading the car. The most time during setup is installing the tramps. When lowered, my rotating wing mast is supported only fore (trailer support) and aft as it is shorter and wood/foam composite; very light, stiff, and strong. Sailing single-handed, there are several additional things that have to be done to launch without damage that take time - fenders tied off and accessible bow line and spring line so the boat can be slid off the trailer and walked down the dock to tie-off without getting my shoes wet in cooler weather. The builder, Mark Gumprecht, did a very good job making the boat both light and strong, and self-contained for one person. Looking forward to seeing some videos of your boat. You will have the extra hands to man the camera!

@@RusinVanDyke Hi Rus, Your boat being a one-off is what makes it so interesting to me. I love to see how people have solved problems different ways. Mark has built a really nice boat. I would like to build something that size or smaller in the future. I think it would be so much fun to sail, explore and camp tiny little lakes (not the Great Lakes) in a boat like that. My wife is my main sailing partner so we pass a camera/phone back and forth. I have also mounted a GoPro on the stern looking forward, and another one on the companionway sliding hatch looking aft. Wind noise annoys me so I am using a Rode mic with a dead cat over it, plugged into the forward GoPro. That captures all of our conversation. I may drop it down below the hatch to further protect it from the elements. I’ve learned a lot from Ziggy Lavengood video’s on his Windrider 17 kzbin.info/www/bejne/fn6YhXmqbLyNpK8 I would like to try an Insta360. These capture everything and you can change the focus point to what you want to show during editing. I got to start editing and posting videos... LOL

Hi EB, it looks like the M17 should be much stiffer than the S17, and that is a good thing on Lake Erie if you want to sail in any wind. Good luck with her. Waiting for the weather to warm a bit so I can get the Tri in the water one more time this year. Rus.

Hi, I am stubborn and don't have a physical list of items to check when getting ready to go out. I just try to keep everything in order and go through a mental checklist. Getting older doesn't help.

Hello Lee, my last contact with Mark was via email after he left a comment with one of my videos. He was happy to see the boat on the water. His intention was to move to the Azores, and I believe he did. The Azores had damage due to earthquakes shorting after our last email exchange and I have not heard anything from him since. I did ask him to stay in touch, but I don't know what his wishes are, therefore I am reluctant to make his email available. (I will send an email shortly and ask if he is interested in providing technical drawings.) I am not aware of any plans for my boat or his other larger designs. In my opinion, Mark enjoyed building boats, not spending the time drawing up extensive plans required for others to build his designs. There will come a time for me to sell the Drifter 17. Not sure when that will be, but I will put a notice on KZbin. I understand your frustration in finding the boat you want, yet not be able to obtain either it or the plans. Rus.