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@bluemonkey808 Күн бұрын
i love the logic from this guy. Impact is 100% the result of a swing or throw action that I dont understand the intent behind. The problem with what he is suggesting is that wide to narrow pull down just stands me up through the shot. If its not a pull down its a throw down and then i just end up in the dirt behind the ball. Id describe what this is as a kind of jack knife action. Im also more than willing to admit it just might be my miss understanding of what he is saying.
@HighFrequencyHungarian 2 күн бұрын
You should debate this with more precision. I think that I understand the point that you are making. But a swing without vertical forces is practically impossible. You could argue that you should emphasise the thought of the horizontal push for effective rotation. But without vertical forces you have no friction and your horizontal effect could not be achieved. Further, the sway has to do with intention and as you pointed out in other videos, especially the boomerang throw, it is the intention of the player that causes the sway, certainly not the vertical force. The vertical force and its vertical direction obviously hinders a sway; the sway happens in a horizontal direction. I also disagree, that the more vertical force you apply, the more vertical the overall swing becomes; that may be true for some, but is not necessarily so. Correctly used, the person jumps with both feet equally to counteract the centrifugal effect of the club, without undue vertical head motion
@HighFrequencyHungarian 2 күн бұрын
As usual very good point, but there is definitely a vertical component from the ground up in the golf swing. No doubt about that.
@TheCampsies 4 күн бұрын
Loads of fine players been doing this for donkeys' years. Austin may have promoted it but didn't invent it.
@Spencer-v7b 6 күн бұрын
Do you think a drill where you tee up two balls, one being in the normal spot you’d have it for a driver shot, and the other located at the point you have to train your brain to swing at, or the “holy grail aim spot” if you will, and try to hit both balls would work?
@HolyGrailOfGolf 6 күн бұрын
Sure, it would work but sooner or later you'll need to learn to do it without an "aid," so why not just start that way? You just imagine the spot of the imaginary ball and then through a little trial and error you figure out what works. It's really easy, a lot easier than you'd imagine. And watching that ball scream off the club is awesome.
@Spencer-v7b 6 күн бұрын
Do you think that wearing shoes that have a higher heel lift would do anything as far as naturally making you feel like up was more to the side. If your shoes are normally flat (_), wouldn’t a shoe more like (\) not as exaggerated obviously, automatically change what “up” is when standing flat footed? Instead of your spine being like this (|), itd be like this (/)
@HolyGrailOfGolf 6 күн бұрын
That's a funny idea but I don't think it would work. If anything a heel would create the opposite because you'd already be compensating for the hell by leaning back slightly, even though you'd be unaware that you're doing it. Many things upon first glance seem to be one way but upon further examination are actually the total opposite ... and that happen a lot in golf. The most accurate players tend to have the most shoulder tilt at impact. Juaquin Neimann lost a LIV tournament because he hit the pin so many times with his approach - Like 6 times in one round and it cost him, big-time.
@santiagorosario5155 8 күн бұрын
Is this a baseball grip?
@HolyGrailOfGolf 8 күн бұрын
No, but a golf grip is similar in that we don't want to use the thumbs too much.
@ahmadapandisamsudin9172 8 күн бұрын
This move of the right shoulder naturally solves the early extension.
@Spencer-v7b 8 күн бұрын
Man I really love your way of teaching and wish I could join your program but my wife would kill me if I paid $60 a month. I was hoping you could answer one question for me. In the video where the thumbnail says, “Over the top is a brain problem”, how did you make that driver shaft floppy past the holy grail point? I’m wondering if just breaking the club right there would do the same thing?
@HolyGrailOfGolf 8 күн бұрын
That driver has a piece of black plastic pipe glued into each side. I don't trust the glue or the plastic enough to put a full swing on it. The thing about my website is that you don't need to be a member for months and months. Most people learn what they need to in the first month and then we evaluate their swing videos to make sure they've really got it. It's not like other websites that string you along as long as they can. I'm not about that. For a reasonable fee that's not even close to the price of a driver, I give you the information you're looking for. It's not a great business model but I'm just way too honest to cheat anyone.
@Spencer-v7b 7 күн бұрын
Thank you for responding. I can tell you know what you’re talking about and have the intelligence as well as the athleticism to understand explain the dynamics of the golf swing to your typical athlete. I played baseball growing up and your realization that the golf swing is essentially the same as a baseball swing just with your torso tilted was really eye opening for me. Once we get through the holidays and I have some wiggle room financially, I’ll join for a month and see how it goes. I’m 31 and this is my second year golfing. I’ve watched all the instructors on KZbin and you’re basically the only one who sees and explains things from an athletes perspective. Most of these guys are unathletic lifelong mediocre golfers trying to teach unathletic “feels”. I pray that your teaching will reach the masses because it just works man. I hit the best drives of my life after watching one of your videos
@HolyGrailOfGolf 7 күн бұрын
@@Spencer-v7b Thank you. It's amazing to me that literally no one knows how the golf club actually works. It's truly a marvel of engineering when used properly and although people have figured out how to use it, they don't actually know what it is they do - therefore they can't teach it.
@Maruman_man 13 күн бұрын
It's also the reason the heel area of the golf clubhead iron is shaped with less mass than the middle to toe sections. You have to see the head as a shaft with a hitting head. The heel leads.
@mazdaspeedmx512lbs 19 күн бұрын
Iv solved the swing already. I have not told anyone yet. I tested with my high-speed camera. It took 15 years golfing every day. I had to create a new kinesiology. I'm not about to give it away free.
@mazdaspeedmx512lbs 19 күн бұрын
Iv solved the golf swing and made notes years and years ago. I created a new model. The physics is incredibly difficult. You need my model to decipher it.
@HolyGrailOfGolf 19 күн бұрын
I figured it out and it's insanely simple. No kidding. The more I learn the simpler things get.
@백정우-s8i 20 күн бұрын
So weird. I've been playing for a year now and during that time I watched more than a thousand youtube videos about the swing. Spent at least an hour on the range wondering severely. Then as soon as I found this mechanism a video about it comes along the next day and confirms it. Can't believe it.
@maxdre 20 күн бұрын
if you're right on this, and it seems like you might be, you've saved my golf life!
@HolyGrailOfGolf 20 күн бұрын
This video was made in the early days of this discovery. There's newer and more info on my website. I've saved a lot of "golf lives." Oddly, a lot of people are kinda angry they didn't learn it sooner. I hear a lot of, "Where were you 30 years ago?!"
@maxdre 19 күн бұрын
@@HolyGrailOfGolf can you be more specific or help me understand what changed so i can evaluate if i want to sign up for your site?
@HolyGrailOfGolf 19 күн бұрын
@@maxdre I have a much deeper understanding of the functionality of the golf club now and developed this thought much further.
@maxdre 18 күн бұрын
@@HolyGrailOfGolf i'll check it out. I do enjoy that you're very responsive. It's helpful. I tried this swing thought from my apt doing drills to taking it to the range yesterday, and although my ball flight was higher, i could see more distance. I was topping and thinning more than normal here and there tho. The biggest improvement i saw immediately came from the driver, that's been killing me lately. Although, it was hard to get at first and shanked a few (with the driver). Towards the end of the bucket I cleaned it up it seems but not sure what i was doing right or wrong.
@4thand133 21 күн бұрын
I think this is spot on. I think the reason many never improve, even with thousands of dollars spent on lessons, is that they simply do not even know what they are supposed to be trying to do. What they ARE trying to do, they may even be doing correctly. But since it's the completely wrong thing that they are trying, they remain terrible at golf. Guy in blue behind you is a perfect example. Whatever he's trying to do, he's probably doing it. But it's a waste because it's all wrong.
@HolyGrailOfGolf 21 күн бұрын
You get it! The golf swing is incredibly simple when you know what to do and how to do it but literally no one does. Everyone talks about how great Nelly's swing is but in fact she's just doing it right. There's nothing special about her swing and anyone can do it if they know how. The problem is that everyone has an idea of how they think the golf swing works and literally all of them are dead wrong. So, no matter how perfectly they perform what they believe to be correct it will always suck. Most everyone gets lucky once in a while and hits a perfect shot but they all say the same thing, "... I have no idea what I did!" The only think they "did" was not do what they think they should do.
@4thand133 21 күн бұрын
"Did i do it?" "Yeah but you still suck." 😂
@HolyGrailOfGolf 22 күн бұрын
That's an outside club so the grip is worn and crumbly. The towel prevents my hand from getting black and slipping. I don't think it's legal to use in competition. I have tried it when it was raining one day and it didn't work very well for me.
@deronburrus5924 22 күн бұрын
Why do you always have a towel around the grip and do you use that while you play and is it legal
@golfweed9947 27 күн бұрын
Absolutely sucks! NO INFORMATION, really. The title could have been "why you can't do brain surgery. You won't believe it. Wasted my time!
@HolyGrailOfGolf 25 күн бұрын
It's a teaser video designed to get you to understand that there IS a better way to swing the club. I can no longer say what that is here on youtube because everyone immediately goes out and tries it and youtube has shadowbanned my channel because of that. I assure you it's not a waste of time and everything in this video is absolutely true. Oh, and yes it is incredibly easy.
@r533bbd 28 күн бұрын
it the pull that changes everthing!
@r533bbd 29 күн бұрын
this underhand pull really put icing on the cake I wish I'd seen it ages ago.
@garre71 Ай бұрын
I like your channel.Just curius. Your thougts about frozendivots youtube material? He talk about an underhand throw? I like that channel also.
@HolyGrailOfGolf Ай бұрын
I'm not familiar with frozendivots. Underhand is bowling or softball pitching. Does that resemble a golf swing in any way to you?
@garre71 Ай бұрын
He connect the softball pitch to a golfswing. I don't know. I think maybe we can think/see it in two ways? Look at it and see what you think
@HolyGrailOfGolf 29 күн бұрын
@@garre71 He's definitely onto something but he's still quite unclear. He probably won't agree because every step in the process people think is the final step until they learn more, and more, and more and then we look back and realize just how green we were when we thought we knew it all. He's still looking at the body instead of learning from the club. Most golf instruction is from a "snake charmer's" perspective of - if we can make the body do x,y,z then the club will be charmed into working properly, when it's really the other way around.
@garre71 29 күн бұрын
@@HolyGrailOfGolfI do not agree on this person. But you are right of many others Thanks for reply
@HolyGrailOfGolf 28 күн бұрын
@@garre71 Any who talks about golf or the golf swing without first talking about how the golf club works is playing what I call "mystery stick." They're using a tool that they don't understand, but they think they do, so they come up with all sorts of crazy theories as to how to get it work properly because to them it's a mystery, really. They can't prove anything they claim other than, "it's what I do." The golf club is a simple tool but absolutely remarkable in it's genius and function. It's so simple that people completely disregard it's design thinking it has no engineering yet it's remained basically unchanged for ~1000 years. Nothing lasts that long unless it works really well and there is no way to improve it.
@10MFAN Ай бұрын
I have used this same type of swing for 30 years. The one thing I would add that will probably help a lot of people, is that if you are a righty, when you get the club to the top, your right palm is going to feel like it’s almost facing the sky. When you “crack the whip” at that point, your right palm will face upward and as you get down to impact, it will square up. that right hand position to me is all I think about in my swing. Make sure the club gets into the right slot with the right palm facing the sky, and then you can go at it as hard as you want!
@HolyGrailOfGolf Ай бұрын
Every good player has figured this out but the problem is they can’t articulate or quantify it. I call it “playing mystery stick.” It’s why the old timers used to call the golf club a snake … you never knew when it was gonna turn on you, when in fact it wasn’t the club that turned, it was the user.
@chrisbona3555 Ай бұрын
Great video, you are actually inline with Stan Utley who fixed Charles Barkley swing and also Marcus Edblad has great videos out of Sweden explaining what you’re teaching. It certainly helped my understanding how the swing works. Thanks for the videos, Chris 🇨🇦
@HolyGrailOfGolf Ай бұрын
I wondered who finally fixed Barkley's swing.
@Tall-Cool-Drink Ай бұрын
Are you talking about "releasing"?
@HolyGrailOfGolf Ай бұрын
Yes and no. Really there is not active or controlled release of the club. It happens automatically when done properly and couldn’t be prevented if you tried. When the club is swung properly it’s incredibly easy to use and does everything people are trying to “make” it do automatically. Just watch any 5 year old swing and you’ll see this is axiomatic.
@shrimboi8909 Ай бұрын
So I tested his info. Guess what, he's fuking RIGHT!!!!! LMAO.... I don' even need to take it all the way back. Just back enough so I can bring the entire club back down to that HOLY GRAIL position. Then turned the hips just enough to redirect the club toward the impact point. The momentum by this point is enough so I don' need to helped it by muscling or anything like that. I tested it on all my clubs and feel like butter. Unfucking believable how easy it is. So this is how the golf club is supposed to worked!!!! Once u get it, u KNOW!!! Hard to explain it. Thank you coach!!!! Key for me: bring the hands down to the front thigh to bring the club to that Holy Grail position. Definitely not the back thigh. Another word bring the other end of the club (the one ur hands are gripping) back to where it lined up with the ball or a little in front. Ur done by this point. Don' go any further. Now let the other end of the club make its turn toward the ball.
@HolyGrailOfGolf Ай бұрын
It sounds like you got it!
@HenryLiaw Ай бұрын
Great insight. Well said. Thanks again for this video.
@charlesking3384 Ай бұрын
You never talk about backswing… I don’t think you ever think about it but it could tie it in a bow
@HolyGrailOfGolf Ай бұрын
I do, but not much. The wind-up really has very little to do with the actual golf swing itself.
@Pseudify Ай бұрын
I was always under the impression that practice swings were slower than real swings. I’d like to see some data to support his claim to the contrary.
@HolyGrailOfGolf Ай бұрын
How many times have you heard people say, "If you hit the ball with your practice swing you'd kill it."
@TheGolfronnie Ай бұрын
Excellent innovative instruction. It is easy to dismiss your theories, however, the more I watch the more I understand.
@HolyGrailOfGolf Ай бұрын
The more you understand my method the more you’ll realize just how bad traditional golf instruction really is. Unfortunately, I can no longer post my best and most informative videos here on KZbin. I’ve even had to take down some of my best videos because when people watch them they’re so inspired that they immediately go out and swing a club and KZbin now tracks the last video or channel people watched before they stop watching KZbin and they don’t promote channels like mine because of that. So now I can only post teaser videos instead of full informative videos that are now only available on my website, OverhandGolf.com.
@steveng8727 Ай бұрын
Low to High similar to a 'top spin' tennis stroke.
@HolyGrailOfGolf Ай бұрын
The golf swing is quite similar to a tennis serve, they just happen at a very different angle in relation to the ground. Also, we have to compensate for the weight and drag of the golf club because it’s longer and heavier than a tennis racket.
@zackfishman3245 Ай бұрын
I agree!
@xk3v1nPx Ай бұрын
Hi, love your videos and had a question. Should the swing here be considered across all clubs? Was wondering since a lot of the training videos were with longer clubs.
@HolyGrailOfGolf Ай бұрын
Yes, all golf clubs work the same way. I often use a 5 wood just because it's fun to hit.
@xk3v1nPx Ай бұрын
@@HolyGrailOfGolf the shoulder turn video was a masterpiece, thank you.
@mikewashburn1795 Ай бұрын
I think you might be surprised with the baseball swing and the hockey slapshot… that in slow motion these 2 sport movements also swing on an arc… just like the golf swing….thanks😎
@OverhandGolf Ай бұрын
That's my point. Virtually everything is an arc but we don't intend to create that arc - we intend to move in a linear manner but end up with a natural arc. So, when you intention is to create an arc we do that very poorly.
@HolyGrailOfGolf Ай бұрын
Exactly!
@shrimboi8909 Ай бұрын
Its not hard if I do what this video is telling me. LOL... Golf just got real easy for me.... Thank you!!!!!
@HolyGrailOfGolf Ай бұрын
Golf really isn't that difficult when you know what you're doing. I mean truly know what you're doing - not guessing at it.
@philipkingsworth6638 Ай бұрын
I hope you know that what you are saying has been proven to be correct !
@HolyGrailOfGolf Ай бұрын
Oh sure. I'm constantly trying to prove myself wrong and I can't. I just keep learning more.
@shrimboi8909 Ай бұрын
Finally someone explained how to hit the golf ball straight. LOL... For years I've been hearing from every instructor to swing toward 1st base but they failed to explained why. My brain couldn't grasp the concept. I would have moments where I hit the golf ball straight and it would last for a couple of rounds than I lose it. I couldn't understand why I hit it so straight. Now I know why. Thank you SO MUCH!!!!!!
@HolyGrailOfGolf Ай бұрын
What you’re describing is what almost everyone has experienced when they hit a perfect shot and then realize they weren’t thinking about what they were doing. So, then they try to recreate it by actively “not thinking” and it never works because you can’t force yourself to “not think.” Martin Ayres calls this attempting to Xerox a thoughtless swing.
@shrimboi8909 Ай бұрын
Jeesus this guy just solved my confusion. LOL... Thank you sir. I can' afford ur lessons but I played long enou to know what I need to fix.
@HolyGrailOfGolf Ай бұрын
There’s much more and better content on the website. BTW, who’s “Jeesus?” :)
@shrimboi8909 Ай бұрын
Dude.. this makes so much fukin sense..... LOL...
@shrimboi8909 Ай бұрын
This explained why pros don't really look at the ball on the downswing. They all look at some spot near their back foot. If what he's proposing is true, then this is the holy GRAIL of unlocking the simplicity of the golf swing. LOL.. When I paid for lessons, those fuks never tell me these things. Just tell me to do this or that and after 1 hour, I walked away feeling like shits because I think its my fault that Im not getting it.
@HolyGrailOfGolf Ай бұрын
They can’t teach what they don’t understand. When you really understand the golf swing you realize just how silly and ridiculous traditional golf instruction is.
@shrimboi8909 Ай бұрын
@@HolyGrailOfGolf yup... there's a guy who teaches golf at the local range. He's telling ppl to do this and that and ppl walked away feeling like me. LOL
@shrimboi8909 Ай бұрын
Crazy that I stumbled on this method on my own but I couldn't zero in on what it was that made it worked. I just noticed that when I'm looking at some spot around my back foot on the downswing instead of looking at the ball, I hit it good. The last time I hit it good I was banging drive around 280 yards straight down the fairway. My 3wood was also flying 220 yards straight. But after a few round it no longer worked. I lost it... Been in a slump last few months cuz my brain gotten confused. Now I understand why it worked and how I can repeat it. This video confirmed what I suspected. THANK YOU SIR!!!!!
@darrendomain4127 Ай бұрын
I'm a tour caddy and he's 100% correct
@HolyGrailOfGolf Ай бұрын
Darren! How are you? Still on the same bag?
@darrendomain4127 Ай бұрын
I was Chris Naegel this year; we made it to The US Open, however, he has lost his status. I'm with a few Q School guys and girls. Next year is TBD. Where are you now. I'll be in Valencia Dec 1 for a week.
@shrimboi8909 Ай бұрын
I noticed that every time I keep my eyes at that 7 o'clock position during downswing my swing was like butter. I couldn' understand why I hit better when i'm not looking directly at the ball. This video answered that question. LOL
@Sonors7 2 ай бұрын
Ingenious!!! Thank you.
@wrench3r 2 ай бұрын
What that does for you simple it is to hit a 515 yd drive 😂
@HolyGrailOfGolf 2 ай бұрын
Although there are several articles and things about that drive there is no mention of it in the Guinness Book.
@GeorgeGallo-h6f 2 ай бұрын
Vandervort Lodge
@propilot7428 2 ай бұрын
I get the shaft lead part but why the inside corner of he ball please?
@HolyGrailOfGolf Ай бұрын
Because that allows the club to close naturally through impact as it was designed to do. If you close it manually or prematurely it will want to re-open through impact. It’s simple physics. It can’t close through impact if it’s already closed beforehand. The golf club is truly a marvel of engineering which is why it’s basic design hasn’t changed in ~500 years - because it works incredibly well when used properly. Used improperly it’s incredibly frustrating.
@davemurray9533 2 ай бұрын
Great explanation. Just wondering ... Why do you call it Overhand Golf?
@HolyGrailOfGolf Ай бұрын
Because the golf swing is an overhand motion. It only appears that it isn’t because we’re bent forward when we swing. It’s very similar to a tennis serve and no one would ever say a tennis serve is underhanded or sidearm. The golf club becomes an extension of your trail arm and in a good golf swing the clubhead is outside or above the shoulder plane which makes it an overhand motion.
@davemurray9533 2 ай бұрын
Love your demonstration of the Holy Grail of the Golf Swing, but you always show it with a driver or fairway wood. Let's see you demonstrating the slight adjustments in your thinking when you're doing it with a wedge, 7-iron, etc. Thanks!
@HolyGrailOfGolf Ай бұрын
All clubs work the same. I suppose I probably do most demonstrations with a 5 wood is because I have a slipped L5 from a car accident so although I can bend over enough to hit shorter clubs I can’t do it for long periods of time. I hadn’t thought about that until just now. Also, the 5 wood is my favorite club because it’s easy and fun to hit. I can hit it anywhere from 190 yards to 240.
@MaFaKeys 2 ай бұрын
You couldn’t be farther from the truth!
@HolyGrailOfGolf 2 ай бұрын
Please elaborate. If I'm wrong, I want to know it, but I don't think I am.
@MaFaKeys 2 ай бұрын
@@HolyGrailOfGolf you are explaining it at the end, your linear swing thought ends up in a big arc! And that is exactly what happens. And no, not everything we humans do is a linear movement, on the contrary, almost every ball sport is played with some sort of an arc swing!
@HolyGrailOfGolf 2 ай бұрын
@@MaFaKeys I didn't realize that this comment came from a "short." These are just teasers basically. Anyway, thanks for answering. I disagree in that I think that almost everything we do we imagine is a linear motion but in fact it's rotational or ends up being rotational. I literally never think of "rotating" anything when I throw a ball but in fact there is a ton of rotational motion that's happening naturally. My point is that if rotation happens without or despite our intention why would we ever need to think about it? Aren't we better off thinking in linear terms that are much more comprehensible?