There is no point to use a fleet this size. It take 2 people to rob these. They can be highly profitable if done correctly. You risk a 15 mill isk ship (cruiser) and a cloaked t1 hauler. You filament in, rob, filament out. Only 2 in 10 are ever defended. You will take anywhere from 50m-500m. It will be around 3000m3 maximum.
@TheAsarath25 күн бұрын
Its not about the money, its a way to get content and response fleets. The fight isn't with the loot its with the response fleet.
@Mu7eD-Stream25 күн бұрын
@@TheAsarath Where to start? 1) All fleet members should not be in local, they should ideally be perched inside a wormhole or an empty system. This is NS and to spike local like this stops the opposition from forming to come to attack you. You send 30 men, the locals will feel like they must send 50. All battles in Eve are asymmetrical. If you just put a couple on grid they will happily come if its defended. You can then have the numbers in your favour. You effectively counter the counter drop. 2) There is no need for the fleet to be at zero on the structure, this makes it easier for dictors/recons to land and bubble/tackle you. Kiki can hit at 50km, this should be the default orbit range of the site. There are sufficient kiki that range ammo will more than suffice. Kiki fit cost around 180mill +, so it only takes a couple of tornados to make this a very inefficient fleet or then there's the goon tactic of simply blobbing it with marauders with support so don't get ideas of killing them. Another reason you don't show all your fleet members at once. 3) Why is a fleet of Kiki being shield boosted? This is utterly absurd. No way to sugar coat this regardless of command ship, it should have had armour links. 4) 70+% of these are unguarded or only guarded by small alt fleets. As this FC found out. Hack message is in system when initialised, + 1 jump @ 8 mins, +2 at 5 mins. So command may only have 5 mins to prepare if locals were afk or not reporting it in intel. Attacking the structure was foolish as this will ping the Alliance and Corp Owners. You only need to attack the silo. Attacking structures provokes a different PvP response in NS. 5) If you want to force the locals to respond then attacking jump bridges or infrastructure related to player not alliance isk generation which affects everyone is the smarter play and will exhibit a much faster response. TBH a decent FC will go on DOTLAN look where the most active gate in the region is and head there. This fleet is around the same size as a defence fleet so seeing it like this is kind of sad. I understand maybe they were testing the mechanics but they could have done this as a much smaller group first, save wasting the time of others. They may have also got a fight like this. I literally rob these everyday, we started with the ESS but they proved less lucrative and more defended! We have a spreadsheet which tracks the places who defended so if we filament in we know whether to rob it or not. Sigma are actually one of the few who are listed as defended funnily enough, so this may explain the misunderstanding ie their FC thinking it would start a fight. Goons and NC. also defend if in range, they don't defend pets skyhooks. Frat are 50/50 it depends on where you are in their space. All other alliances have a response rate so low they are considered undefended by us. We try to keep local count to an absolute minimum just the hacker and hauler, as we are more than happy to have a fight :) We will pop out a wormhole and join the fight, the hacker has enough HP/reps to allow us enough time to land and tackle, so the further we have to perch the bigger tank it needs. If you're serious about robbing these you want signal not noise filaments contrary to popular belief, the same for ESS. You see without the action there are no pots of gold to rob. Your FC just needs to be able to read Dotlan so he can control your contact with the enemy. If it drops you into a hyper busy system he needs to know or be able to find the pipe out quickly. So you can fight in a quieter system with eyes to warn you of incoming threat. When behind enemy lines your ship should always be faster or cloakable. I personally fly a Nano Arti Cynabal. 4km/s 500 dps @110km 4k Alpha. (without boosters) They used to be better but still are very hard to kill and can sustain DPS on targets whilst kiting almost any other ship in the game. The Arties mean interceptors pay dearly if they burn for you to get tackle, bubbles are useless your in and out of it so fast. You only need to fear two ships, snipers (we carry damps to prevent this) and Khizriel (BC, same race, almost as fast, PRIMARIED), for everything else you kite and shoot. We regularly take on 30+man defence fleets with 5-10 of us. At first it was tough but now we cracked it as they say, we know what to do and when. Practice made not perfect but solid, drilled. This is where we regain the edge. You wont get this response with 30+ kiki reported in intel, you will just get ignored until you get hotdropped.
@TheAsarath25 күн бұрын
@@Mu7eD-Stream That's a lot of words to say you're maidenless.
@nomadlivecast9708Ай бұрын
wtf is going on ^^
@chlorokenАй бұрын
Thanks for sharing this.
@HavenVile2 ай бұрын
Get 'em!
@deejanarrowjames34642 ай бұрын
Just means you cant be as wide spread as you're used too
@rylok3 ай бұрын
The man who produced this is surely a handsome purveyor of lego, and the alliance he is in MUST be full of chads!
@wingandaprayer8833 ай бұрын
I am sure, like most nullsec residents.. we have all become aware of how difficult it is to prevent a theft. Forming up to take on a 50man fleet can rarely be achieved in just 5-8mins. Getting a dscan, sending out a ping, and this is all assuming you are even made aware of the theft right away. It will need looking at again and a rethink, otherwise you should probably consider your own resources as already lost, and instead will need to go steal the resources you need. Or steal your own skyhooks until they rebalance this.
@Xethl2 ай бұрын
The mechanic itself (ignoring time restraints and responses for now) is HEAVILY favoured to those defending as there is no "bubble" like ESS. ESS is everyone warps to the same point no matter what. No tacticals, no MWDS, no cloaks. The only way to cheese ESS is to cloak a marauder outside the bubble which takes a tonne of time and 99% of the time you wasted that toon defending against nothing. With skyhooks you can create as many tactical warp-ins as you like meaning a well-commanded fleet of 5-10 tornados could have ripped apart this Kiki fleet if they didn't leave immediately. I don't like the way it's implemented either, but the *large* nullblocks should have absolutely no issue defending the ones they care about. In my opinion, I think 10 minutes is too long but I'm not a null pilot so there's some bias there of course!
@wingandaprayer8832 ай бұрын
@@Xethl I can speak for our experience with this. 10min timer is best case scenario of course for the defender. Typically we learn of a theft at about 3-5mins remaining. To form and combat that (unless of course it's like a solo/duo thief) is not feasible. Therefore, you either preform a response fleet and potentially keep alts sitting there in a fleet for hours at a time on the chance a skyhook gang appears or just lose it. Then of course, off peak times are very hard to defend even for the biggest alliances in the game. PH and Goons etc. So smaller alliances, good luck! Another thing we have seen, just like with ESS's.. folks are looking for ways to cheese thefts. With zero risk to themselves. Akin to the ESS 'run-away' solo stabbers. All nullsec are actively stealing their own skyhooks on a daily or twice daily basis. Therefore right now, it's a bit silly for all concerned.
@Xethl2 ай бұрын
@@wingandaprayer883 yeah I agree with your points. I don't know the payout, if it's just 100M or so, I doubt we'll see any big fleets stealing them. My point was that defending a skyhook in your staging should be laughably easy, but defending your skyhooks 30j away from staging in a space you rent out should be hard, and I think that's good. I think runaway Stabbers are fine, they're easy to kill so easy to push off. In general ESS has bought a lot more fights than would have happened, and I hope the same for Skyhooks. I think similar with ESS, most fights will be a solo pilot looking for the lowest isk to risk (again same as100mn stabbers), and small gangs from wormholes of 5 or so people. Both of these should be easy for nullblocks to defend, small groups will struggle however. I think small groups struggle is actually a good thing when it comes to mag gas as it encourages them to actually mine their moons (where as nullblocks have more moons than they could ever mine), but to my understanding they need the ice to upgrade their space which sucks.
@Th3Alibi3 ай бұрын
Fc annoying af
@AussieVet3 ай бұрын
That fleet flying looks cool.
@snhangler52554 ай бұрын
nice job fellas!
@matteopatel50964 ай бұрын
A truly thrilling watch!!
@McCrecket4 ай бұрын
Nice video! My favorite part was when you moved the drone window at 1:30
@Jackred904 ай бұрын
Well, thank you!
@Joovi074 ай бұрын
hey i found an alliance mate :D
@Jackred904 ай бұрын
o7
@cybercereal-gg4 ай бұрын
Oh damn! It's the Sugma Ballsac guys.
@matteopatel50964 ай бұрын
Spai?
@die7vondertankstelle2764 ай бұрын
How da fk can you hit kikkis with dreads?
@Digsap845 ай бұрын
Thought Hjghgt was FC on this one?
@ebayed5 ай бұрын
Feels like its a bit like DragonBall's Fusion where the total is better than the sum of the parts. Great video! :)
@rylok6 ай бұрын
That rorqual pilot that survived seems eerily attractive.
@Joovi074 ай бұрын
stop doxxing yourself :D
@b0x3d8 ай бұрын
noice
@ldmtag Жыл бұрын
This kinda looks like a black screen😮
@sneezelover15212 жыл бұрын
wo ist das niesen
@miso63553 жыл бұрын
ayo Jack
@aaronchapman74534 жыл бұрын
Perfect firework execution
@schnoodles95386 жыл бұрын
Beautiful. Why did he never attack you though?
@Jackred906 жыл бұрын
Tzar Sinak because he only had the tech 1 drones to attack me. Once i took care of them he had to go down. 😃
@schnoodles95386 жыл бұрын
Damn, I wish I could get that lucky!
@Jackred904 жыл бұрын
@@schnoodles9538 You will be, keep trying, learning and playing. Maybe joining a corp, the people are everything.
@nessilala30526 жыл бұрын
Hi
@ahlaweyuaregay29017 жыл бұрын
Gutes Video! Und mal so nebenbei, du siehst bischen aus wie Pyth von Ninjas in Pyjamas :D
@Jackred907 жыл бұрын
Danke! und verdammt du hast recht! :D
@larsibasi33077 жыл бұрын
:D
@Armin1080P8 жыл бұрын
Great video keep it coming.
@MrFreakyViolence8 жыл бұрын
Ohje... An die zuschauer...Bitte verzeiht... ich versuche mich einzuschränken, jedes weitere mal....
@Jackred908 жыл бұрын
Da kommt dein wahres Gesicht raus. :D
@MrFreakyViolence8 жыл бұрын
jar nich.
@Jackred908 жыл бұрын
und ob!
@MrFreakyViolence8 жыл бұрын
Ohje, ich muss mich Entschuldigen...so viele male wie ich ausraste xD
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@Armin1080P8 жыл бұрын
Great video =D
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@Armin1080P8 жыл бұрын
Awesome video :D
@mattrose60998 жыл бұрын
Great moment :P
@destexoverwatch11158 жыл бұрын
Klasse Video! ^^
@larsibasi33078 жыл бұрын
Ein sehr alter Livestream
@Svart_Slaktare8 жыл бұрын
13:59 XD
@Jahnoko8 жыл бұрын
Great video, Keep it up! Earned a subscriber man <3
@Svart_Slaktare8 жыл бұрын
Another one xD
@larsibasi33078 жыл бұрын
schön seh nur den stream so selten
@devalp98428 жыл бұрын
schönes best of :)
@reazl77310 жыл бұрын
Du kannst echt gut bauen aber so als Tipp du könntest dir ein Texturenpack hohlen oder ein paar Mods die Minecraft vereinfachen wie zum Beispiel den Timber MOD :)) aber sonst viel Erfolg! :D
@kuchenkorb818210 жыл бұрын
KAKSEN!
@kuchenkorb818210 жыл бұрын
Ich hab einmal mit bekommen was Adonai Abaddon heißt und jetzt frag ich mich ob du weißt was dein KZbin Name heißt, Hundi könnte Okami heißen.