Where the agents were when the shots hit still in the car wow Clinton Hill. Only responded
@TomVincent-JFK634 күн бұрын
Rufus Youngblood immediately sprung to the back seat in the vice president's car and covered Johnson. To me and some others a great fault goes to the driver of the President's limo. He had a number of seconds to speed away or swerve and failed to do so. If Connally heard the shots, then the two secret service agents in the front seat must have heard them also. After all, they are trained exactly for this. Jackie Kennedy was bitterly critical in private of their performance. Will Greer the driver, later apologized.
@dennisharrington60555 күн бұрын
Thanks. I was growing up in Brazil when that show ran (no! Dad was not a diplomat or a missionary. He was capitalist industrialist - and probably a robber baron). TV was like, 1 channel, 4 hours in the evening. In Portuguese. Go figure. Shows still lame.
@TomVincent-JFK635 күн бұрын
Maybe somewhat lame, but a good example of how the cold war was going at the time and what people were thinking. Capitalist vs. Commie. A real war of ideas was going on in the world and it obviously affected Oswald.
@benjaminrealy56618 күн бұрын
Craig has too many statements contrary to the evidence that i likely assume his motives are financial and i tend to not believe him. If just the rambler comment, maybe i could believe him but argue that it doesnt necessarily mean oswald got into it. It could have just been a random car that happened to be there at that time. It is a busy thoroughfare in dallas. However, with all his other claims. I dont believe him even that far. To see "mauser" stamped on the barrel of the rifle. I could grant that to the mandela effect. He heard someone say mauser. He saw the barrel. Put 2 and 2 together and thought he saw the "mauser" stamp. Plausible. But because of his other comments. It appears to instead have been just made up. Why would one (and only one) officer notice so many contrary things? One inconsistency could be written off as a perspective issue causing a mistake in memory. All of his, i tend to not believe them as honest errors, but rather outright lies for publicity. Not saying he is a liar, but saying he very much appears to be a liar. (You know how many times i comment about how inconsistent statement may have other logical reasoning behind them, in Craigs case, nope. I plainly dont believe him)
@TomVincent-JFK638 күн бұрын
One of the comments below say Craig was very messed up, even his daughter admits it.
@dks138278 күн бұрын
Did the Rambler take Lee over to Tippitt ?????????? hmmmm ???
@TomVincent-JFK638 күн бұрын
Please see the video preceding this one which I posted 4 days ago.
@TomVincent-JFK638 күн бұрын
And drop him off there to commit another murder in broad daylight which people witnessed, and then drove off leaving him alone?! Try again.
@dennisharrington60558 күн бұрын
@@dks13827 about the time Oswald was being wrestled into arrest in the theater, Donald House (RIP, 2021) was being hauled into the Ft. Worth PD under arrest as the result of an APB for a green & white Ford thought to be connected to the assassination. He was immediately released upon Oswald’s arrest. I don’t think he was hounded by conspiracy nuts, like so many others with the least bit of connection to the tragedy. His obituary lauds his Army Service, family life, and is silent about his scary and bizarre Friday afternoon so long ago.
@DavidArbuckle-sc8zc9 күн бұрын
"The Idiocy of Mark Lane's Film" is not a good way to start out. Rodger Craig was voted the Policeman of the year. He was a decorated member of the Dallas Police force. He had absolutely no reason to lie. And on top of it, 3 other witnesses on the knoll stated they saw an "Oswald look-alike" run down the knoll and get into a station wagon driven by a dark complected man. One woman stated it if were not Oswald, it was his twin brother. The very same thing that Captain Curry said. To say that Mark Lane ignored the evidence is really not accurate. Always remember that every single piece of evidence that was handled by the Dallas Police is suspect. There was almost no chain of evidence on the 6th floor, or in the Tippit Murder. Even the Witness testimony is a mess as the TIppit witnesses had to be told the names of the suspects to get a positive I.D.
@dennisharrington60559 күн бұрын
Thanks. DPD, Keystone Coppish as they might have been, had the case solved by midnight. Long-debunked stuff just keeps auto resurrecting. How to contradict a conspiratorial friend? Hey. My psycho training was the United States Marine Corps. Can’t help you.
@TomVincent-JFK638 күн бұрын
Yes, long debunked stuff keeps auto resurrecting
@rawbacon9 күн бұрын
There's all kinds of stuff said about Roger Craig over the years but there's a 41 second video that's just a printed quote from a Conspiracy Believer that knew him and she would tell you he was very troubled and not believable. The video is "Mary Ferrell On Roger Craig".........Also his own Daughter said he was really messed up as well and she actually blames the Conspiracy Crowd for feeding his paranoia and leading to his suicide. He of course discredits himself with contradictory statements but even some of his Conspiracy Brethren were honest enough to come out and say he wasn't believable..........Sylvia Meagher called Craig a "Flagrant Liar".
@TomVincent-JFK639 күн бұрын
It is sad about Roger Craig, but the video is really more directed at Mark Lane and his followers. How he could make a film like this all those years later, when as I said, all the evidence that had been documented about the bus ride and taxi ride. Talk about insulting the intelligence of the average person, or taking advantage of people who are not versed in the assassination.
@johniac111 күн бұрын
Amos Euins saw a person firing a rifle. Also Brennan testified that he didn’t see a rifle discharge or recoil, so he didn’t really see a rifle being fired - merely being aimed.
@TomVincent-JFK6310 күн бұрын
Mr. BELIN. Would you describe just exactly what you saw when you saw him this last time? Mr. BBENNAN. Well, as it appeared to me he was standing up and resting against the left window sill, with gun shouldered to his right shoulder, holding the gun with his left hand and taking positive aim and fired his last shot. As I calculate a couple of seconds. He drew the gun back from the window as though he was drawing it back to his side and maybe paused for another second as though to assure hisself that he hit his mark, and then he disappeared.
@benjaminrealy566111 күн бұрын
Two thoughts. First mentioned in your video, but not an aspect of the video..the coke bottle. I saw or read an interview with a (i think) secretary who ran into oswald in the breakroom at about 12:05. I only read it once and dont recall the source. (My apologies) what nobody points out on either side of the debate is how does it have to be that oswald bought the coke after running down the stairs after the shooting. If he was in the breakroom about half an hour before the assassination, why couldnt he have bought it then? Even if that interview doesnt exist because i cannot recall the source, him having a coke in his hand when truly and the officer arrived still doesnt prove he had just bought it. Second, in your living diagram of the tippit murder, you had oswald walking west. Was that because you believe he was walking west, or just because of the limited space? Ive been back and forth on if he was walking east or west many times. It doesnt matter in the grand scheme of things, it doesnt change the fact he shot Tippit. I have just noticed in recent years, more researchers (on both sides) believe he was walking west.
@TomVincent-JFK639 күн бұрын
A couple things about the coke. First, his favorite drink was Dr. Pepper. Why did he have a coke instead? Was he rattled after Baker saw him and pushed the wrong button? And personally, I find it hard to believe that he would have been on the second floor at 12:05 when he had no way of knowing exactly what time the motorcade would be passing by. Since he had already taken a shot at Walker, had actually already tried to kill someone, and therefore "had experience" with going through the motions of murdering someone i.e., he had already proven to himself that he can do something like this, he wasn't going to miss a chance of a lifetime just so he could have a coke. About the direction, I tend to think he was walking west. Here is the reason- Markham's testimony on Dec. 2, 1963 to the Secret Service was she didn't see the man on the side walk until Tippit pulled over and stopped. On March 16, 1964 told the FBI that she first saw the man after Tippit passed the intersection. On March 26, 1964 she told the Warren Commission that she first saw the man in front of Scoggins car about to step up on the curb, heading east. Then she saw Tippit driving alongside the man. Scoggins never said he saw the man walk by his car. Other witnesses saw him walking west a block away at Denver St. Jack Tatum who was driving by said he saw him walking east. But the woman inside the house right in front of where Tippit pulled over, a Mrs. Ann McRaven said she saw him "run" by her house. Myers tends to think with Tatum saying he was walking east, Scoggins saying he may have been turning around when he saw him, that either running or turning around would have been suspicious activity from Tippit's point of view and maybe this is why he stopped Oswald. Because as Myers says, a lot of men in Dallas would fit the description of Oswald. Hardly reason for stopping this particular man.
@benjaminrealy56619 күн бұрын
@@TomVincent-JFK63 I'm west leaning pretty good myself. I know it adds two blocks to the walk, but still thing there was reasonable time to make it. My point with the coke was that conspiracy theorists use that as crucial to debunking the timeline, yet they can't prove he bought it then. Even so, the best time estimates for truly and the officer to arrive at the second floor, i believe are underestimated. The clock above the building read 12:30 before the shots were fired according to 2 eyewitnesses. So the shots could have been 12:30:30 or could have been 12:30:45. Nobody in that time Era had precise to the second time precision. The officer had to cover more distance on a horizontal plane than Oswald since he parked in front of the building. He found truly, made their way through the crowd, failed at catching the elevator, then climbed a flight of stairs. Precise timing not being available, it could be ascertained that Oswald had sufficient time to reach the second floor. Possibly with 2 minutes to spare. Enough time to buy a coke Even if he bought it then and not earlier. As for Dr. Pepper being his favourite, that means nothing. Coke is mine, but I indulge in other beverages. Usually cherry Pepsi, but sometimes others.
@TomVincent-JFK639 күн бұрын
@@benjaminrealy5661 Jim Moore in his book "Conspiracy of One" thinks the coke or Dr. Pepper is something. Why would a man who exclusively drinks DR. Pepper select coke. He thinks his state of mind was rattled. If he had done nothing that day except work his job, why would he have the wrong drink. In the end, in a way, it's nothing, but maybe an enlightening little tiny piece that fits into the whole. I say maybe. I'd have to go back to the book and see what else he said as regards the coke. I'm thinking, did the machine have Dr. Pepper, was it empty of Dr. PEPPER? etc. LOL I'm a ginger ale man myself! Mostly juices though.
@TomVincent-JFK639 күн бұрын
@@benjaminrealy5661 I forgot to include that Baker said in his Warren Commission testimony, Oswald had nothing in his hand when he encountered him. So he had to buy it after. Or maybe there was a coke bottle on a table that someone left and Oswald picked it up? Who knows?
@benjaminrealy56619 күн бұрын
@@TomVincent-JFK63 if you're ever in the Midwest, try Vernors ginger ale. You won't be disappointed.
@mtdouthit129112 күн бұрын
16:30 powerful words, but obviously later artistic license
@TomVincent-JFK6312 күн бұрын
If I remember correctly, I may have thought something along the same lines when I first read this. It would have been better just to relate the cold fact, and then later put it in historical context.
@dennisharrington605513 күн бұрын
Thanks. I, not having the most organized mind on the planet, had to listen through 3 times to sort out all the actors and circumstances. I wonder why we are so taken with implausible unsubstantiated years, decades, later assertions. A Tippit treatment recently popped up in my “for you”. I listened to the first seven words, bailed on the eighth, I was getting homicidal. Same old tripe.
@TomVincent-JFK6313 күн бұрын
That's what this assassination has turned into for me. A study in psychology and logic. As you question- why are people so taken with implausible assertions and theories that defy logic and reality, years, decades later. Thanks for your comment.
@chriscald942611 күн бұрын
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@DavidArbuckle-sc8zc13 күн бұрын
Westbrook "Discovered a wallet." Actually he could not remember who gave it to him. Croy admitted that he had given the wallet to Westbrook and he too could not remember who gave it to him. Croy was seen by Jeana Davis who said he was on the scene of the crime within seconds of the shooting. He stated he spoke to several witnesses but could not remember the name of a single person. And as the first officer on the scene he DID NOT FILL OUT A REPORT. Mrs. Holum stated that she saw from her 2nd-floorr window directly across the street that there was a 2nd police car in the alley blocked by Tippit's car. She stated that the car reversed through the alley with an officer on foot following it. That means a cop car left the scene immediately after the murder without investigating the crime of a fellow officer. I think Westbrook and Croy are definitely suspect.
@cmorea19 күн бұрын
At 2:25 we see a still image from what looks like an 8mm color movie showing not only Mr. Bremmer, but the little girl who was running along as Kennedy’s limo turned onto Elm St. It seems the vantage point might be on the 2nd or 3rd floor of the School Book Depository. Where is the rest of this film? Inquiring minds want to know!
@TomVincent-JFK6319 күн бұрын
That film is from the fourth floor. I think her name is Ellie Dorfman, or some name like that (I'd have to look it up) and there isn't much more than that. If only she had taken more, just like the man, who had the sixth floor captured of film, but then stopped seconds before the first shot. But they have to be forgiven, they didn't know what was about to unfold. Thanks for the question.
@cmorea19 күн бұрын
@@TomVincent-JFK63 my iPhone is almost full, so I can’t say I’d have recorded much more myself 😅
@jwill29419 күн бұрын
Does anyone else find it strange that they tried to use camera shaking as proof a shot was/wasn’t fired? That’s only the case if the camera man even heard the shots. Which has been found he claims he didn’t hear any shots.
@TomVincent-JFK6319 күн бұрын
I think it might be natural to jerk when you hear a shot, but yes, I would not use that as proof. There could be lots of reasons a person might jerk the camera not relating to sound. If only they had smart phones in 1963!
@cmorea21 күн бұрын
Could the puff of smoke actually been the president’s plume of brain matter, or would the angle make that impossible?
@TomVincent-JFK6321 күн бұрын
The angle would make it impossible, but it all happened in a split second, so who knows what Holland saw and how his brain and eyes put together what he saw. We can trust our senses on the one hand, and on the other, we cannot. He did say in his Warren Commission testimony that he immediately ran over behind the picket fence and saw no one. I did a little experiment when I was there this past April if you'd like to check it out. Here is the link. Go to 23:27 to get the setup and the test. kzbin.info/www/bejne/Zoupfmadq7x6jbssi=mqVvqtNJmtuQc-uv
@cmorea21 күн бұрын
I’ve slowly come to realize that America was only anti-Nazi for a short time, and after the war, integrated Nazis into NATO and other institutions. In Ukraine, Nazis are the muscle of the puppet dictatorship. Jon Stewart put a medal on one of them.
@TomVincent-JFK6321 күн бұрын
Can't say anything about that. I don't really stay up to date with modern going ons. However, I think we are anti-nazi, but that doesn't stop us from using a "nazi" like Werner Von Braun to get our rocket program going. But, if we hadn't got him, the Russians would have. It gets complicated.
@cmorea21 күн бұрын
@@TomVincent-JFK63 Von Braun was a party member, but more like for career reasons, and he just helped NASA. I’m talking about high-ranking Nazis, many who were integrated into NATO, but the best-known is Kurt Waldheim, former Secretary General of the United Nations.
@TomVincent-JFK6321 күн бұрын
@@cmorea Ah yes, forgot about Waldheim. You're right about Von Braun also. He just wanted to build rockets and anyone who let him, he would go with. Something like that gets complicated too. You're young, you want to advance, most everybody else is going along with it, so I will too. But then there are others who can see that it is absolutely wrong what the Nazi's are doing, and they make plans to assassinate Hitler
@cmorea21 күн бұрын
The cheering sounds added in, like someone is turning up a dial and then turning it down again. Sorry, I’m getting cynical
@TomVincent-JFK6321 күн бұрын
Kennedy's speech is almost always seen in edited form. There was someone to his right who was translating into German for the crowd after each few sentences. So, you are exactly right.
@cmorea21 күн бұрын
@@TomVincent-JFK63 wow. Never knew that! Must be why they cut to the cheering crowd after each line
@cmorea21 күн бұрын
@@TomVincent-JFK63CBS video archive includes (some of?) the German translation kzbin.info/www/bejne/p3yUoJ-VfqxqbcUsi=1f2jQ-RB3fJlSgai
@dennisharrington605521 күн бұрын
Sir. Thanks. Wunner wadda happen if we told an Antifa (NAZI!) creep that President Kennedy was a DEMOCRAT.
@TomVincent-JFK6321 күн бұрын
I don't stay up to date with modern politics, so can't comment. Way too much going on for me to stay on top of it.
@DavidArbuckle-sc8zc22 күн бұрын
Unfortunately, this amusing presentation is not grounded in facts. The JFK assassination and the Warren Commission that followed was not an actual Investigation. It was a very clumsy attempt to save the LBJ presidency that was in the middle of a very important Campaign. The entire focus of the Warren Report was Oswald's guilt and it was based on the notion that Oswald was a loser seeking fame. And yet every action he took screamed of an innocent man. He stated over and over he had not shot anyone. (hardly the actions of a braggard) They said he was a loser. Think about that. He was 23 yrs old when he supposedly traveled to Mexico City to apply for a Visa at the Russian Embassy. (You know, the guy that was photographed 20 times and yet all the pictures are of a man much older with a different body type.) Oswald spoke 3 languages fluently and he had a higher security clearance than his commanding officer. He was married with 2 children and he had no history of violence or arrests. But for the Apologists, it is easier to believe in the bullet that transited two people and made 7 wounds. All because they have to make 9 wounds fit into a two bullet scenario. Even the best Apologists, (And this guy is not one of them) could not convince the American People they were being lied to. 60 years ago 70% of the public rejected the WR, and they still reject it today.
@TomVincent-JFK6321 күн бұрын
We'll have to agree to disagree.
@DavidArbuckle-sc8zc22 күн бұрын
There never was a case for the lone gunman. A "deformed" bullet. They had 4 other bullets that they used to attempt to duplicate what the magic bullet did. They used cotton, water, a cadaver, and a goat. All of the bullets were crushed, even the one that went through cotton. But the magic bullet? It went through a dozen layers of clothing and a back brace at a 17 degree downward angle and it transited 2 people, "tumbled" and made 7 wounds. The problem with #399 is that the orderly who found it stated very clearly it was NOT THE BULLET HE FOUND. His bullet was pointed. Of course when he appeared before the commission Thompson was never asked the one question that mattered. "Is #399 the bullet you found?" Can you imagine that? The one piece of evidence that makes the Magic Bullet relevant and they never asked the most important witness that question. Do you know why? Because they knew the answer would be, NO! The WR is a complete sham, and nobody knows that more than Posner himself.
@DavidArbuckle-sc8zc22 күн бұрын
All three shots Posner says. What about the 4th 5th 6th or 7th shot? With all the bullets found at Bethesda, Dealey Plaza, and Parkland, It is too bad we only have #399. Even worse? Thompson who found it on the stretcher, stated that #399 was not even the bullet he found. He was very clear that his bullet was pointed, not rounded. The interesting thing is that when he appeared in front of the Commission, the one question that was essential to establishing the validity of the bullet and Thompson as a witness was never even asked. They asked him about everything else. Where he found it, when he found it, but not the question that mattered. "Is #399 the bullet you found?" And the reason for that is because they knew the answer would be, NO! Posner the chief Apologist for the failed Warren Report is the greatest cheerleader for the magic bullet. Because without it, they have to admit the existence of a Conspiracy. Instead the entire Report relies on a bullet that made 7 wounds and transited two people through a dozen layers of clothing and a back brace that JFK was strapped into.. It is a complete farce. It didn't happen. But you gotta hand it to him. He tells the lie eloquently!
@mattburke549123 күн бұрын
Ah yes. More coincidence theorist stuff. I’m glad i’m not part of the gullible bunch thinking a lone gunman with a mediocre marksmanship shot off 3 rounds in 5.6 seconds each when no marksman from the FBI could make those shots that fast using the carano rifle.
@benjaminrealy566125 күн бұрын
This Crooks guy too wasnt a good shot,at least based upon his performance in Butler. Yet still one of his shots grazed his target. I think its way too premature to rule out all conspiracy. But everything so far points to lone nut. And if there was, at most, it might have been a friend helping with scoping location, or helping him train. Something to the scope of a Terry Nichols to a Timothy McVeigh, not a vast organizational conspiracy. But even that doesnt seem likely.
@TomVincent-JFK6325 күн бұрын
Exactly. And that's why I said that my little speech isn't proof of them acting alone, but It's just that I get so exasperated with these people who jump to conclusions.
@dennisharrington605526 күн бұрын
Sir. Thanks! I was waiting for this, but I knew it was coming! Within MINUTES of the tragedy (Corey Compensatore, rest in the peace of Christ) dear folks for whom I have the highest regard were unburdening fears of conspiracy upon me. When I rolled my eyes at ‘em, theirs glazed over as if they knew they were talking to a moron. Maybe they were. INCOMPETENCE does not equal conspiracy. Background checks are instantaneous. And you still need a haircut.
@TomVincent-JFK6326 күн бұрын
I didn't know background checks were instantaneous. I should have known with modern technology. Laziness, I am convinced is the number one sin of people. They don't even want to think things through, investigate, or see what their conclusions imply. Too lazy even to think. I don't need a haircut, I need more hair! haha It is getting thinner. Thanks for the comment.
@melissaking6019Ай бұрын
This kind of intelligent, rational reporting is sadly a lost era from a world of journalism that is lost I fear forever.
@TomVincent-JFK63Ай бұрын
You can say that again.
@howardmann8689Ай бұрын
LBJ was a horrible president
@quintonpace2311Ай бұрын
Mr. Vincent, I mean no disrespect to the Tippit family, in fact, I would expect them to defend his character as a husband and father. However, I disagree with your conclusions. I know you are aware of the controversy surrounding his murder. The conflicting accounts from the witnesses, two different shell casings found at the scene, witnesses that weren't called before the Warren Commission to tell what they saw. The fake Oswald wallet found at the scene, which conveniently disappeared when Oswald had a wallet on him at the Texas Theater. A photographer took a picture of it being shown at the Tippit scene. Please convince me these things didn't occur when so many people believe they did.
@tomvincentsmusicalheritage2755Ай бұрын
Please get a copy of With Malice and read that book. All your questions are answered. I will be reading one more item from that book, about the wallet. I am also going to point out something about that shooting that as far as I know, no one has pointed out. By the way, I can't convince you, nor can Myers, Bugliosi, Posner etc. That's up to you either way - conspiracy or no conspiracy. Thanks for your comment.
@jonhenson5450Ай бұрын
NOTICE: YT and t vince scrub all critical comments n replies. Likely a d n c hack, paid influencer , Caro supervised via LBJ library. They have to protect the fact they whacked their own prez in exchange for social programs and guv contracts, as a bonus they covered party crimes. Anyone honest knows this, and will
@TomVincent-JFK63Ай бұрын
Quite the contrary I've never taken down a critical comment. Look around my channel.(look down a couple comments below) In fact I have said before, it's a fringe benefit when I receive critical comments, in general, the mentality of the conspiracy community is there for all to see. And, the government is doing a great job shutting down the conspiracy community aren't they?- hundreds of books, conventions, youtube channels etc. You folks are sure being silenced.
@jonhenson5450Ай бұрын
@@TomVincent-JFK63 who is the "conspiracy community" or "you folks". That's guv language in itself, so obvious and amateur. To weaklings who hide behind crowds, it's hard to believe a person can stand alone and think for himself. Especially one like myself who knows where and how the royalty payments are made for the hit(present tense).
@TomVincent-JFK63Ай бұрын
@@jonhenson5450 Hide behind the crowd? You've got the crowd on your side
@TomVincent-JFK63Ай бұрын
@@jonhenson5450 So you think I'm part of the government? HKeep talking and keep making an ass out of yourself. Here is what I do in life- kzbin.info/www/bejne/nYbRmmaKZbGXh5o
@jonhenson5450Ай бұрын
@@TomVincent-JFK63 saw it, no wonder you decided to lie for a living.
@GaryED44Ай бұрын
Hey friend Luckily the first book I read after the Warrren report was "Kennedy and Lincoln" by Dr Lattimer. followed by Case closed. Its obvious to me LHO acted alone. most conspiracy authors are just selling books
@TomVincent-JFK63Ай бұрын
They are selling books and as I've said somewhere else, it's kind of a juvenile game most of them are playing. Thank you for your comment Gary.
@williamlarson3623Ай бұрын
Follow the name game in JFK - here's one: the name Roberts appears here, there, everywhere, as in Bannister's lover, Paine's neighbor, the idiot in the TSBD on 5th, the FBI jerk, the cop on the street, and of course, the safe house run by Johnson, housekept by the witch on Beckley (while on the phone with her sister, etc.) Williams is another one, and just as sinister as this.
@59TeddyBoyАй бұрын
Oswald had zero to do with Tippits death... Tippet was shot by two different pistols... Two different calibers of bullets were found in Tippits body, none of which belonged to Oswald. Ruby killed Tippit. The same caliber of gun and bullet Ruby used to kill Oswald were found in Tippet. Not a coincidence. Ruby also lived about a two minute walk from where Tippet was killed, and Ruby has zero alibi for that day. Tippet knew something in regard to the cover up, so he was eliminated. It was all planned down to the most minute detail. The Warren Report is thee biggest lie ever told to the American people,
@TomVincent-JFK63Ай бұрын
For an in depth analysis read pages 312-336 from Myers book. It is available on ebay
@rawbaconАй бұрын
Middle name "Doke", first and only time I've heard of that as a name. For years I always assumed Earlene Roberts was a woman in her 70s but turns out she was still in her 50s and died just a little over 2 years later at 60 y/o. A week later she made the claim of a police car going by with the specific number of 207. I forget the whole story but if I remember correctly someone confirmed years later that it could not have been 207 and something about one of the officers she was also talking about had gone into a different line of work months/years earlier..............Basically she was a story teller and also just confused about stuff in general.
@TomVincent-JFK63Ай бұрын
Never heard that name either! Thanks for the comment
@jonhenson5450Ай бұрын
@@TomVincent-JFK63example: DOAK Walker played high school football at Highland Park(Dallas) also SMU, NFL, circa 40's and 50:s.
@benjaminrealy5661Ай бұрын
I disagree on this one. The simplest explanation is usually the correct one. She saw the car after Oswald left. But was it a few minutes, or could it have been 45 minutes? When Oswald was arrested, they could have sent a car to drive by his place to do a quick scope. Not sure how much later it was when police came with the search warrant. Since Earlene was glued to assassination coverage between the time Oswald left and the time officers arrived with search warrant, she could have easily been mistaken as to the time it was when the cop car came by, but knew it was way before they came to execute the search warrant. (I've bet we've all been distracted by our devices to not realize 45 minutes have gone by in what seems like seconds) As for the honking, was it really a honk, or a quick turn on then off of siren to alert a motorist? A quick half second wail of a siren causes me to look put the window, but not necessarily a simple car horn. In fact it's what led me to this theory as I was watching this video. Lol.
@TomVincent-JFK63Ай бұрын
Thanks for the comment and you offer a good theory. The police knocked on the door at 2:58. So between the time Oswald was arrested at 1:50 there is little over an hour when a car could have come by. But why did she take 5 days to tell about the car and of course the two men she named didn't check out. So, yes it's possible there was a car that came by (but then wouldn't a policeman have come forward saying he drove by to make a quick check when Robert's story became news?), in the way you described, and at some point a sound (horn, maybe even of a car driven by an ordinary citizen, or a siren) but these will have to remain theories. As far as Roberts is concerned, as many as there are of us humans, there is an equal amount of different personalities, idiosyncrasies, etc. We'll never know now if she did see something or just made it up.
@benjaminrealy5661Ай бұрын
@@TomVincent-JFK63 well it also demonstrates we do not have to show she's mistaken to defend the Warren report. The car that she saw could have also been unrelated to checking on the house. The easiest route from the theater to dealey Plaza passes in front of her house. On a main road. A cop car could have also been going from one scene to the other, gotten slowed down in front of her house by a random car, blurbed it's siren to have the car let him pass, then sped up once past the car. As for why 5 days, I don't see what's unreasonable about that. It seems like just a trivial detail that wouldn't matter much. (Of course later conspiracy theorists made it not a trivial detail) and for getting the officers names wrong, I'm 45 with a good detail memory, I've mistaken names and faces too
@TomVincent-JFK63Ай бұрын
@@benjaminrealy5661 All those scenarios are possible of course and we definitely don't need her to defend the Warren Report. Thank you!
@dennisharrington6055Ай бұрын
Thanks.
@TomVincent-JFK63Ай бұрын
@@dennisharrington6055 You're welcome Dennis
@smugglednews7453Ай бұрын
Good work Tom. Great voice
@TomVincent-JFK63Ай бұрын
Thank you
@lennon1252Ай бұрын
Watching the entire program, Lane destroyed Buckley and made him look like a fool.
@dennisharrington6055Ай бұрын
Well, you-boob blew up my comment, again. Nothing unusual. No, no foul language. Just a…vivid…description of my annoyance with “Tippet was in-ers”.
@rawbaconАй бұрын
No one better than Dale, that's why the Conspiracy Crowd hates him.
@TomVincent-JFK63Ай бұрын
@@rawbacon Agree. Thank you.
@benjaminrealy5661Ай бұрын
When you were reading about Lennon or Lenin, early on you were talking about Lennon with the gunshot wounds, but later, around the 20 minute mark, Lenin? I know that's the case, I just think this is the first time I've heard Lennon and Lenin in the same piece of media so never thought about how their names sound the same. Now I cannot unsee (unhear) it.
@benjaminrealy5661Ай бұрын
Update, I rewatched both segments with captions on. The John Lennon segment correctly uses "Lennon " in the captions. But in the Lenin segment it used "Lenin" and "Lennon" both. So I guess AI can get confused by both names. I know not relevant, just something I found interesting.
@TomVincent-JFK63Ай бұрын
@@benjaminrealy5661 Yeah that's interesting. Maybe AI got the first one right because Lennon was murdered by gunshot wounds so there was no confusion there
@TomVincent-JFK63Ай бұрын
In the song American Pie, where he says "Lennon read a book on Marx" the lyrics have "Lenin". Since the song is about rock and roll, it should be "Lennon" but it could go either way I suppose. The song "Imagine" is very communistic- "Imagine no possessions"
@dennisharrington6055Ай бұрын
Thanks. I don’t ascribe to Oswald any more motive than 7-8 year old mentality of, “I’ll show you, I’LL SHOW YOU!” I mean, he was ignored, “oppressed”, or rejected by the Marines, the Soviets, the press, the Cubans, the American communist/socialist community…everybody…maybe even Mom. Certainly Marina.
@TomVincent-JFK63Ай бұрын
You know what, I think you're right. And also throw in what Priscilla McMillan said in her book, he could not pass up an opportunity like this. I think what Mailer was doing was playing the psychologist. All those things were underneath, or some of them anyway. Of course Oswald didn't start articulating all those things when he found out Kennedy would be passing by. But you can be sure, if Ruby hadn't shot him, and he had his trial, at some point he would have started expounding his ideas, either on the witness stand (if his lawyer let him take the stand, which is doubtful) or in jail when journalists, reporters and authors came to hear him tell his story, just as what happened with Charles Manson.
@dks13827Ай бұрын
Tom, and everyone............. what's with RFK jr yelling that the cia files show who really did it !!! Tom, Lee did it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! come on.
@TomVincent-JFK63Ай бұрын
Not familiar with that. Without looking into it though, how and why on earth could the CIA, trained killers and experts in covert operations, be stupid enough, and careless enough to leave even the slightest kind of paper trail. Adolph Hitler for instance, never signed ANYTHING that ordered the final solution. It' was done with a nod of his head.
@dennisharrington6055Ай бұрын
Thanks. I got a speaking voice, too. Unfortunately, it sounds like your Drill Instructor in a bad mood. And not encumbered by any sensitivity. As for MY music career: thank God for Lawrence Welk.
@TomVincent-JFK63Ай бұрын
Haha!
@OG_BoodaahАй бұрын
Look at these CIA controlled journalists
@dennisharrington60552 ай бұрын
Thanks. How come we gotta lean on Norman Mailer for a ray of sanity?
@TomVincent-JFK632 ай бұрын
Don't follow you exactly, but I have just been going through the books in chronological order. Mailer is an excellent writer by the way.One more post will be coming from Mailer then it's on to Dale Myers and his book about he Tippit murder. L
@williamlarochelle68332 ай бұрын
I don't read the conspiracists; I have an aversion to rabbit holes. Plus, I've read Bugl;iosi, so what need?? Thee brute fact is, no conspiracist has refuted him..
@TomVincent-JFK632 ай бұрын
In fact, All you have to do is read the introduction in Bugliosi's book, and it's all over right there.
@dennisharrington60552 ай бұрын
Thanks. Ruskies betrayed us twice. (1) Oswald, (2) decades later, sending Britney Griner back to us🤬.
@williamlarochelle68332 ай бұрын
Answer: No, LHO wasn't a secret agent. He was JFK's lone assassin. Conspiracists need to wake up and smell the toast.
@TomVincent-JFK632 ай бұрын
They want a conspiracy, no matter what. Don't worry about them. It's just a juvenile game with them. Thank you for your comment!
@williamlarochelle68332 ай бұрын
@@TomVincent-JFK63 You're welcome. I'm now reading Patricia Lambert's book, "False Witness," about Jim Garrison and Oliver Stone. Two bullshit artists extraordinaire! It's appalling, bizarre. Keep up the good work, Tom!
@tomvincentsmusicalheritage27552 ай бұрын
@@williamlarochelle6833 Thank you William. When was that book written? Might have to get that on my list of readings
@williamlarochelle68332 ай бұрын
@@tomvincentsmusicalheritage2755 I'm surprised you don't know of it. It was published in 2000. A real eye-opener it is--a must-have, trust me.
@tomvincentsmusicalheritage27552 ай бұрын
@@williamlarochelle6833 Thank you. I will get it. What can I say except, certain things we miss. Maybe I saw it and saw the name Garrison and didn't want to waste my time. It is so obvious Garrison was a nut, I don't need to read a book about it. lol
@benjaminrealy56612 ай бұрын
12:21 - 12:35. Kind of gave me chills just because of what happened 6 years later. (Now conspiracy theorists will say Mailer did 9/11) Norman Mailer does have a great way with words. I love how he described the 26 volumes, although i would add that going down an investigatory path, but it leads to a dead end, they were justified in leaving it in the 26 volumes. If they were to omit it, then researchers in the future could falsely conclude the commission didnt follow an obvious lead. As for his final description of Oswald....brilliant. i love how he described oswald as a spy, but in reality was a spy for himself. He didnt plot the killing alone, but he conspred...with himself.
@TomVincent-JFK632 ай бұрын
Yes, Mailer is brilliant. As Oswald being a spy and conspiring with himself- exactly what Jim Moore thought a few years earlier by titling his book, "Conspriacy of One"