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Definitely could be just a Utah / highly dense member location issue when it comes to renters and church callings etc. When it comes to being treated differently because you're renting in a neighborhood vs. buying that seems pretty universal

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Oh my God you are so right, and they are spending that money on hundreds and hundreds of new temples. Totally appalling! We all know they could do that stuff in a warehouse with some curtains!

Wasn't it the Savior that taught the parable of the talents? The Church's humanitarian efforts have provided clean water to millions of people, supported refugees, and offered job training and education through self-reliance initiatives, lifting people and families out of poverty and destitution. There are countless people-families who received disaster relief, individuals fed through food donations, or students educated through Church-sponsored schools-who are grateful the Church had the resources to help them in their time of need.

Nailed it 💯

Let's normalize praying while eating out, personally a big fan 👍

Some people love making a living from majoring in the minors 💯

Wooo!

Well said 👏 that's a great way to model the love and trust our Heavenly Father has for us 💯

Totally agree

That's a great read 💯

It's such a fine tightrope to walk - I'm seen super strict families grow and the children become completely disconnected from the church. I feel like very strict / high discipline environments can work very well with the right levels of compassion and understanding. If your kids don't know why they are doing what they are doing, they won't do it very long after they leave the house.

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I very much agree - you should teach the kids that the primary reason we follow the word of wisdom is because the Lord asked us to. If you stake your foundation of belief in the Word of Wisdom solely in what we understand the health benefits to be (or inversely use fear of what could happen if you don't follow the WOW), what happens to the kids if they ever try coffee for the first time and realize the world didn't end? Better to make it a conversation that helps kids feel comfortable in their faith rather than turn it into a weird discussion about which latest study shows whether or not you should drink it.

I love the term 'folk doctrine', I don't want to lay blame on the church. In the age of home-centered church, as I understand it, the shoulders of parents have to get stronger in order to help their children navigate those waters.

@ I wouldn’t call it “blaming the church.” There’s a negative connotation in that verbiage that I don’t believe reflects the reality of the situation. The simple, historical fact of the matter is that Church leaders have not agreed 100% on everything. We can note that without asserting any bad intent. We can also observe without assigning blame how individual members latch onto those differences by virtue of what is or isn’t presented to them and what resonates. I don’t think any of that is inherently problematic-to the contrary I think the diversity of thought keeps the full bag of strengths on the table, which is a good thing. Where I see this becoming problematic is where people try to shut others down in the pursuit of doctrinal purity. Members feel good about the truth of their personal experience and lack awareness for other equally valid points of view and unfortunately see those differences as heretical, and they undertake to shut them down. It’s like Elder Uchtdorf sharing the Indian parable of the blind men and the elephant. Each man characterizes the overall animal based on his limited experience with one body part, thereby missing out on the completeness. We can, and need to get better at allowing the gospel tent to be as wide as the scriptures actually say it should be.

​@@aBrewster29 Thanks for clarifying!

@ something else I would be interested to hear you guys’ thoughts on: you mentioned the responsibility of the parents in home centered church. I completely agree, but that doesn’t solve the problem I described where certain members, usually orthodox in my experience, incorporate folk doctrine or otherwise interpret and apply doctrine through a narrow lens, and mistakenly believe their views to have universal applicability. In my household, where we’ve intentionally sought to root out cultural ideas that don’t meet the doctrinal standards described by Elders Christoffersen and Anderson, home-centered church has created a contrast for my kids where the ward is dominated by narrow-minded views, and as a result, my kids don’t find spiritual uplift in attending church. The point is, we’re seeing some significant growing pains in the “home-centered, church-supported” approach in that my kids aren’t finding support at church outside alignment with the narrow, McConkie-an views that perpetuate in our ward from outspoken individuals, whose views are welcomed by the culture. Literally, when the new FSY pamphlet came out, with the express purpose of being more principles based, we had leadership who told the girls that just because certain things are no longer spelled out doesn’t mean they’ve gone away-the past pamphlet still applies. What would you suggest is a pragmatic way for orthodox members to remediate their own blind spots, by which they perpetuate false traditions like condemning face cards?

Yes, and also no. The problem is people are trying to find someone rather than letting the Lord do His work. As for the rest, I respectfully disagree. Why do you think the Lord told Adam and Eve to go forth and multiply? These things are because of the exact problem we're seeing in Western civilization: a massive uptick in political divisiveness designed to be a means to split apart family members. Now... who would sow the seeds of discord to tear families apart? Families are not only ordained by God, but they're a Commandment, just as endowments, etc. What is wrong is how young people, women mostly, are being pushed into this insane notion they should focus on their careers to the detriment of everything around them. This is insanity, not joy. To suggest marriage is very distracting to the substantive spiritual doctrine of Christ is to not know Christ. It is the same as claiming Christmas trees are pagan; it's a fundamental lack of understanding as to Christ to suggest otherwise. I am a lifelong member who's lived in highly concentrated LDS membership areas (e.g., Hawaii and Idaho), as well as low (e.g., Northern Wisconsin and Connecticut), and not once has anyone put any pressure to marry anyone other than the people who are that age. Period. If people stopped putting their own selfishness first and put the Lord's will instead, they would find what they were looking for without looking. I met my wife a year after my Patriarchal Blessing, and she was Lutheran. I married her and fell away because my Patriarchal Blessing said I would be sealed. We were just sealed a month ago after 25 years of marriage. Our adult children will be ready to be sealed to us in a month. The fact is, I found my wife because I wasn't looking for her. In fact, I was called as a Stake Missionary at the time, and she was dating my companion (I'm that guy, but to be fair, he avoided her). My Patriarchal Blessing happened exactly as it said it would, and I haven't looked at it in over 26 years until this year. Not by interpretation, but exactly.

​@@squirrelicis that's amazing. I believe the Book of Mormon because i had the same theological sequential revelation as Joseph Smith and BY going into Melchizedek. The enmeshment I experienced was not in the Church it was growing up. I am also staunchly anti neoliberalism so I agree about your career sentiment. The issue that derived my comment was with the framing set on this video which sets exactly your opening statement;.. Looking for something or someone as in to force it and it's implied on this video that it's by external pressures. Regarding what the Bible says, I mostly believe the God of the first testament is not the God of Christ, maybe even Satan, so whatever the above framing of Adam and Eve as don't really ascribe to;.. Not that you shouldn't have children, but I think there's moving prongs and spiritual dynamics, and all that is to say, it's not for everyone and they're not spiritually worthless for not having them. I love children, do I want to personally anchor a spiritual throughline here? I really don't think so, no. If it happens it happens, but I abjectly reject the idea that it's the metric by which anyone's spiritual worthiness is to be measured.

@@squirrelicis Well said.

@RLDRemembrance very well said. I appreciate your willingness to continue in your faith with the Church despite well-reasoned concerns. I am in a similar boat. I found Squirrel’s reply very interesting. Above all, I appreciated the civility in the response-constructive criticism is often met with unkindness. But notice the retrenchment toward orthodoxy-one’s happiness in marriage is secondary to obedience to the commandment to multiply. Ironically the gospel principles deprioritized by such a hierarchical paradigm makes orthodox members their own type of cafeteria members. The scriptures are replete with admonition to evaluate teachings by the fruits they produce and even warn not to call evil good and good evil, yet that goes out the window when it brushes up with authority (never mind scriptures like D&C 121 that expressly forbid such an exercise of authority). In my experience this usually stems from a lack of empathy. With all the goodness that can be experienced through the Church, if one hasn’t witnessed harmful effects in close proximity it’s all too easy to write it off in the name of compliance and sacrifice.

@@aBrewster29 Love the civility callout. Some of the harshest criticism the Savior pronounced was on the pharisees whose worship of the law blinded them from recognizing the very giver of the law. It's a hard line to walk between justice and mercy and I think most members are trying their best to walk it. Ultimately your point about fruits is a great focus. At the end of the day, that was the measuring stick we've been given to discern all things. I may not be able to understand or articulate the reasons why the gospel and doctrine work for people, but, as far as I understand, that's not a prerequisite for them to work.

Thank you!! And totally agree, it IS glorious to see the divine roots our ceremonies share!

Thank you very much!

Thank you :)

That's a solid Star wars reference 💯

A postmortal life with God

@@SaltySaintStories which god? and whereabouts do we live this eternal life with a deity? is there like a secret underground bunker we live this eternal life?

I know a couple of young people who would love to help you navigate your questions

@@SaltySaintStories I thought these were easily answerable questions? So you don't know which god you are going to live a post mortal life with..or where you will live it? Sounds sketchy to me...I'd be careful if I was you...

Their idea really makes sense if you don't think about it 💯

Thanks for sharing - what a great insight! Every missionary should go out to the woods and open it themselves first, and enjoy the Spirit's presence.

I've also heard the virgins represent members of the church, which means a good number are asleep at the wheel

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100% agree 👍

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Thanks!

You are born of goodly parents!

The church is a place where your best self can thrive, totally agree. Thanks for sharing!

1000% - nailed it

I'm a millennial with boomer parents, and I know they tried their best. I think millennials have the double edged sword of technology, where on the one hand we have access to more materials and insights than ever that shed light (at least for me) on lots if not all of my toughest questions about the church, and on the other hand, an astounding amount of opposition that can be very convincing and hard to ignore. So yes, upbringing absolutely can, and likely does, contribute to our attitudes towards the church, but I'd argue that social media and such have (sadly) a louder voice and stronger grip on ours and subsequent generations.

Guilty as charged

Right??

Thanks for sharing ✌️

You can't make me not like you Zelph

Honestly nothing better than sacrament in the mountains, 10/10 some of my favorite spiritual experiences

That is awesome, those would be really cool memories 🔥

yes lets not pussy foot around. lets spread this gospel which expects people to give up everything for this church, sacrifice their culture, become a robot and learn to adjust to the culture of a polygamist racist church that hides all of its history and does not teach all of its history through its missionaries, that 'sells' families are forever, but creates many levels of heaven where families can be spread across and NOT be forever. zelph the white lamanite, jackson county missouri, lamanites are the NOT the principal ancestors of the american indians because DNA, joseph smith MANY wives not just emma ... really ... yes many people ARE leaving and good on them

It's a fine line to walk between mercy and justice. We know that mercy is required over sacrifice. We also understand that we can't live our lives like no commandments have been given

Your concerns are not related to the content of this video.

This a straw man argument. You are setting up the concept of reformed Egyptian being something different than what it actually may be. Saying something is reformed with nothing more tells very little about the degree or kind of reformation. So you cannot claim knowledge of what reformed Egyptian would look like. For example you point to someone saying there is a lack of pictographic writing as negating evidence for reformed Egyptian when the characters document (which may be an example of reformed Egyptian) does not contain pictographic writing.

@halsamsing6720 Well, the Biblical and academic evidence provided says its not a strawman argument. But YOU on the the other hand, provided NO EVIDENCE to support anything you stated. Therefore, you have provided a strawman response.

Phoenecian is reformed Egyptian. Latin comes from the Phoenecian alphabet, which forms the basis of many European languages including English. So, what are you talking about? I'm WRITING in reformed Egyptian right now.

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