There the same loco at the pontypool and blaenavon the loco I'd 1857
@SouthernRailSpotter6 ай бұрын
This shot is excellent! Where may I ask did you film it?
@geoffreyking4515 Жыл бұрын
It isn't the east coast M.L. IS kings cross to Edinburgh..FACT
@met16989 Жыл бұрын
Haha, why you getting angry with me, I titled the video what the Great Central Railway called the event, nothing more, nothing less
@geoffreyking4515 Жыл бұрын
@@met16989 then they should know better sorry my friend
@jp-um2fr Жыл бұрын
What a wonderful story, so nice to see the old lady still on duty. I remember the old stock being replaced on the Reading - Guildford line. Unusually, when the downhill stretch was reached, the old stock rocked like hell and everyone started laughing - bowlers and briefcases included. Not now, we have the posh stuff. Boring - and expensive.
@freddieellis8449 Жыл бұрын
No no no. No reading. Tell us.
@robertmills4383 Жыл бұрын
Reminds me very much of the small diesel railcars running like busses between Bath and Bristol. Not sure how they compare ?
@adriantayler1868 Жыл бұрын
Astonishing. As a kid I persuaded my mum to take me on this unit from Brackley Town to Banbury Merton Street, even though it would have been more convenient for us to go on the bus!
@martyn6792 Жыл бұрын
Great to see her preserved
@neiloflongbeck5705 Жыл бұрын
The line was condemned by the LMR General Manager on tbe grounds that the line could nevef generate enough revenue. Which us exactly the position that the LMS had of the line. Please don't make statements without backing them up.
@EllieMaes-Grandad Жыл бұрын
. . . . or was management too inept to actually make it pay, or just didn't care? Double track, fully-signalled in those pictures . . .
@neiloflongbeck5705 Жыл бұрын
@@EllieMaes-Grandad but only double tracked in certain stations used as passing points such as Buckingham. Go look at the old OS maps of the line and you'll see the truth. The line for most of its life had one major business that used the line, United Dairies but much of that traffic was lost due to the 1955 ASLEF strike. Passenger numbers had been declining since before WW1 eaten away be the local bus company and after WW2 by car ownership. Looking At ticket sales in September 1955 and 1956, as stated in the minutes of 30th October 1956 Lightweight Diesel Train Committee, these rose from 416 to 1,963 (or in monetary terms from £42 to £216). However, the passenger number increases were primarily on Saturdays and market days. The rest of the time the line ran at a loss.
@EllieMaes-Grandad Жыл бұрын
@@neiloflongbeck5705 Thank you, but still lots of signals. I am most sceptical of BR accounting that had many lines closed because "they were making a loss" - allegedly. As a professional accountant, starting out in the early '60s, I have come to know that many figures were produced in a most unprofessional, unethical way, contrived to show a bad picture, far worse than any reality. Not that this line wasn't losing money (maybe? probably?) but numbers were distorted in so many cases back in the mid-1960s . . .
@neiloflongbeck5705 Жыл бұрын
@@EllieMaes-Grandad every possible movement on a railway needs a signal. It's a safety thing written in the blood of accident victims. Got any evidence of sharp practices regarding the figures used by Beeching? They had access to all of the financial records for all stations (both passenger and goods). They even did traffic surveys in typical weeks of the year to eliminate seasonal deviations. If you read the Beeching report it sets out traffic levels between June and September were significantly higher than for the other 8 months of the year, that over 6,000 coaches were hardly used (some 2,000 were used no more than 10 times in a year), and over a 1,000 coal depots received no coal.
@EllieMaes-Grandad Жыл бұрын
@@neiloflongbeck5705 The methodology of the time was to include fixed costs along with the variable (direct) costs of lines that were intended for closure. The outcomes were, certainly in transparent retrospect, seen as pre-determined. As a finance professional, I can deplore this, knowing better. The methodology attributed cost to various lines, costs which would continue even when the line in dispute was closed. That is not the correct, proper, way to undertake decision support analyses. You won't find much about it in the reports you cite - knowing how to do the calculations (and interpret them) is down to training and experience, plus integrity.
@neiloflongbeck5705 Жыл бұрын
The mad rush to dieselise the railways was in part to the Clean Air Act that came in after the killer smog of 1952. The effects of smog were already well known having first been discussed in 1880 and several laws passed to prevent them occurring. When the Beaver Committee reportec in 1954 on the 1952 smog the BTC knew that it had to act and act fast. This meant the careful consideration of diesel trains envisaged in the Modernisation Plan had to be abandoned, leading to the purchase of a lot of useless locomotives.
@neiloflongbeck5705 Жыл бұрын
The railways of Britain were a late starter in dieselisation not British Railways. In November 1952 BR was less than 5 years old when they announced the plan to introduce DMUs. The Railcar Association has most of the minutes of the Lightweight Diesel Train Committee (LMR) - they don't have the minutes for meetings 1 to 17 and 19 to 28 or any for meetings after meeting 91.
@ianhudson2193 Жыл бұрын
Crikey! Managed to miss over a decade of it's test career...😮
@steveevans6241 Жыл бұрын
Excellent video, well put together. I just love these unlikely railway survival stories 🙂
@andrewmarch7891 Жыл бұрын
Please leave pictures with text in them on screen longer as we don't know what the text says even if you do; in just a fleeting glance. Otherwise a nice try.
@riokent5374 Жыл бұрын
these where quite common in Norfolk, lots of footage and photos of them round this way hope to get a DLW back here for a bit of fun
@neiloflongbeck5705 Жыл бұрын
These single car units were very rare, there being only 2 of them. Your mistaking them for the more commonplace 2-car units.
@SpoonyMcSpoonface Жыл бұрын
I remember seeing Iris out and about during her RTC days. Was pleased that she was preserved as Iris with her history is an important unit and deserves to be pampered.
@leey7h Жыл бұрын
remember as a boy travelling on this, sitting right at the front with a drivers eye view. Marvellous to see again
@met16989 Жыл бұрын
That’s interesting! My mum also had the pleasure as a little girl travelling on this unit to Bletchley
@saschaap9115 Жыл бұрын
What a lovely unit, very happy to see that it survived. Great that you took the time to make a video on it!
@InverhavonRailways Жыл бұрын
The biggest mistake made by British Railways was, and still is lack of standards for coupling codes for dmus and locos, unlike the US and Canada, where anything can couple to more or less anything.
@racgordon Жыл бұрын
The problem was not lack of a standard. It was multiplicity of standards. The US invented the notion of mu operation (Frank Sprague, 1883?). In the UK you had po;itical issues with acquisition that prevented BR from defining a control system. Having said that it was the Historical norm, as with braking Systems. Westinghouse Air, Vacuum and GWR Vacuum
@mjt8199 Жыл бұрын
The Southern Region was about as close as you were going to get to that.
@InverhavonRailways Жыл бұрын
@@mjt8199 even Southern Region "1951" stock had 2 variants. DEMU and EMU stock had incompatible control jumpers and couldn't be ELECTRICALLY connected, although the air brakes could be.
@robertwilloughby8050 Жыл бұрын
Cough*Baldwin Sharknose*Cough.
@Test-hw5fn Жыл бұрын
As part of a 50th birthday present from my family I got a cab ride experience morning in Iris on the Ecclesbourne Valley Railway. That was a great day👍
@a11csc Жыл бұрын
great that someone wanted to save it
@wideyxyz2271 Жыл бұрын
Beautiful thank you for sharing.
@D8059PRODUCTIONS Жыл бұрын
This is the autumn gala, not winter gala. There is no such thing as a winter gala at th watercress line! Great video tho :)
@DesiTrain91 Жыл бұрын
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@robertbate5790 Жыл бұрын
Very interesting and enjoyable, thank you. 👍👍👍👍.
@RailJapanStory Жыл бұрын
Excellent video😃⤴️⤴️Fantastic steam trains and beautiful scenery😉👍️✨Thank you for sharing :)
@williamtacey7770 Жыл бұрын
There’s nothing running this January on MHR
@met16989 Жыл бұрын
So?
@kineticrail2 жыл бұрын
I do like seeing the bucks railway centre gala always so much going on, Furness no.20 is such a nice loco and with similarly aged coaches it does look good. Will have get back and film here again my last video here was years ago now.
@met169892 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much! I have been busy out and about, just haven’t had time to make any videos. Slowly catching up with what I had recorded. Still have another three to make, and going to the bluebell this weekend will make a fourth
@flippop1012 жыл бұрын
Very nice video!
@majorpygge-phartt26432 жыл бұрын
Has the line north of the station all gone now? It's still shown in place on google maps, so their footage must be out of date.
@met169892 жыл бұрын
Yes it has, the Network rail track work finished just south of the road bridge. The track bed north has been handed over to HS2 for the construction. A link will be reinstated once construction has been completed
@majorpygge-phartt26432 жыл бұрын
@@met16989 I've also noticed that the old disused east to west line through verney junction is now being restored too, but not the old metropolitan connecting route to quainton road. And isn't this the line which John Betjeman wrote about and made the film "Metroland" about back in 1973? I've seen it at least once. And are you not allowed to connect to the through line from Aylesbury? I've noticed that it's not connected to any of your lines.
@met169892 жыл бұрын
@@majorpygge-phartt2643 I’m not sure on the politics of connecting to the mainline. The last time there was any form of connection was temporarily in the early days, when BR slewed the line over to allow stock transfer from the mainline to QRS metals. In regards to the link to Verney, QRS own some of the old track bed which runs parallel to the network rail line, which they are hoping to reinstate some running line to. They have a board up in their visitor centre detailing it. They are hoping to run through the right hand arch on the road bridge as your looking north. Although this isn’t authentic to how it was, it’s still the best option for expansion
@geoffadams3892 жыл бұрын
So how much was in the brown Manila envelope when beeching got his kick back from marples?¹¹
@kineticrail2 жыл бұрын
Waleswood is a nice looking loco. With the line beyond quainton now gone what's the likelihood that railway centre could use the platforms for running from and even run over some of the trackbed for a short distance
@met169892 жыл бұрын
Supposedly once HS2 workers have finished doing they’re bit that end, network rail will reinstate the line to Calvert. Also there is the East West Rail Aylesbury link on a back shelf but I’m skeptical about what will happen. It would be nice if some kind of temporary lease could be worked out. The centre is pushing for a northwards expansion parallel to the old track bed leading up to where the line branched off to Verney Juntion. They own the land up to Snake lane. They plan to run a new track behind the original station and through the RH road bridge arch. So hopefully some traction on that will start soon
@kineticrail2 жыл бұрын
@@met16989 oh I see I didn't realise the plan was to reinstate the Calvert line once HS2 work had finished but still even if the centre was able to get a line where you mentioned that would be a small extension with something new for visitors
@met169892 жыл бұрын
@@kineticrail yeah definitely. Anything would be a good addition
@kineticrail2 жыл бұрын
@@met16989 anything more to let wightwick hall more of a stretching
@northwesttrainsmodels2 жыл бұрын
great video ill hopefully visit there sometime this year
@joelightrailway23622 жыл бұрын
Excellent video of Waleswood in action at BRC 👍
@joelightrailway23622 жыл бұрын
Can’t believe that a small part of the GCR London extension has been taken up. It feel like going back to late 1960s again.
@met169892 жыл бұрын
@@joelightrailway2362 thank you very much! And I know. Supposedly once HS2 workers have finished doing they’re bit that end, network rail will reinstate the line to Calvert, but I’m skeptical
@BenBensonStudios2 жыл бұрын
I really wish the centre would extend their lines someday, though it'll probably never happen.
@met169892 жыл бұрын
They have a plan in place to try and push north slightly, going through the RH arch of the old bridge and following the track bed parallel, until Snake Lane
@ivenireland82702 жыл бұрын
Why they called this The East Coast Mainline Event beats me.
@davidwhite30412 жыл бұрын
In the late 50's it was not uncommon for the Great Central line to be used for running special trains to London for sporting events on Saturdays. Schoolboys football international, Hockey International, Rugby League Cup Final, England v Scotland football International, FA Cup final (if a northern team was involved) and the FA Amateur Cup final, all of which in those days were held at Wembley Stadium. In additional there were Starlight specials overnight trains between Marylebone and Edinburgh/Glasgow and vice versa as well as the car sleeper service from Kensington to Perth.all passing through Helmdon Station at speed and over the viaduct. Also on Saturdays during the summer overnight trains to Brighton, Eastbourne and Hastings. Whitstable, Margate and Ramsgate which travelled via Kensington Olympia. Happy days!
@kineticrail2 жыл бұрын
Look forward to what 2022 has in store.
@timosha212 жыл бұрын
Ding ding! I'm a tram and I approve this video!
@kineticrail3 жыл бұрын
Nice to see these little videos back I do enjoy watching these look backs at the loco history.
@met169893 жыл бұрын
Thank you, had a lot going on recently, but I’ve got several more of these in the pipe like, just need to put them together!
@kineticrail3 жыл бұрын
@@met16989 understandable we all have lives away from youtube. I will look forward to the next installments
@BenBensonStudios3 жыл бұрын
When is Metropolitan 1 expected to be completed?
@met169893 жыл бұрын
Not sure to be honest, I know tubes are coming out of the boiler, it’ll be a good few years yet I imagine with other projects that are also on the go
@kineticrail3 жыл бұрын
Nice to see your back filming its been a while. Looks like theres plenty of work going on at quainton then is 1900 the flying bufferbeam really would like to see that once its running.
@met169893 жыл бұрын
Cheers mate! It’s nice to be doing something again! And yes it will be nice once it’s done, I’m looking forward to 7200 the heavy freight tank engine to be finsihed
@kineticrail3 жыл бұрын
@@met16989 oh yes in nearly forgot about 7200 any update on a possible completion date?
@met169893 жыл бұрын
@@kineticrail not sure on a completion, I think it’s a case of waiting for the boiler to be done by Heritage Boiler Steam Services. Once that’s done and back at Quainton, I don’t think there is huge amounts left
@kineticrail3 жыл бұрын
@@met16989 fingers crossed not to much longer
@philipashbourn15383 жыл бұрын
The Great Central closure was a disaster at the time and even more of one today. In the late 1950s and early 1960s I lived in Nottingham. During this time I travelled to Leicester once a week for day release and once a week during the winter to play for a Leicester rugby team. At the same time I often travelled to London. I always used the GC route - it was fast. The line was well engineered, the first and last built by mechanical means and not wholly by hand. It was also built to continental clearances, part of the grand plan, well ahead of its time. for the GCR to run direct trains to France and beyond. This was the main reason it should never have closed. On the other hand the Midland route from Nottingham to Leicester took twice as long as as the GC . The B1s were the star performers, with usually the one stop at Loughborough, and with drivers who knew how to race along it was always a delight. Of course, there were a few surprises. Travelling to Leicester for the Saturday rugby game I was astonished to see a Merchant Navy speed past in the opposite direction and then a second a few minutes later. These were the days when football fans travelled in special trains. Southampton was playing the Forest in the FA Cup. I was abroad for several years before I returned to Nottingham. I was appalled to witness the final rites with a DMU shuttling from Arkwright Street to Rugby and back but did witness the final day when specials took to the rails. HS2 - a waste of money - far better to upgrade the existing network and re-open old lines and stations.
@PreservationEnthusiast Жыл бұрын
I was pleased the GCR was demolished. The biggest white elephant ever. And it would never have been suitable for HS2. Totally the wrong alignment and doesn't serve Birmingham.
@philipashbourn1538 Жыл бұрын
@@PreservationEnthusiast Hardly a white elephant - the line was worked to full capacity in the 1940s and 1950s when I saw it often. The line offered a very good x country route from the south coast to Woodford Halse via Banbury. Alas, as happened elsewhere, the pre BR rivalries often killed off viable routes.
@PreservationEnthusiast Жыл бұрын
@@philipashbourn1538 I don't doubt your experiences of the 40's and 50's but the GC route served mainly a load of villages after Leicester. Contrast the other routes which served big population centres. When road freight was developed via the M1/M6 the GCR really did become a white elephant in the 1960s. Not totally useless but a loss making in most cases and marginal profits in others. You can't expect lines to be kept open for the titillation of railway buffs and a handful who want to live past experiences. These lines must pay their way.
@mervynsands35013 жыл бұрын
Another fabulous place on the GCR route, which would make a superb north/ south high speed route for HS2. The GCR was so well engineered for it's time, a great pity it wasn't utilised to better effect as time went on. Through the central heart of England, such a rapid way to travel in the horse and cart age, of the late victorian era.
@declanjoyce86404 жыл бұрын
Great footage...carry on!
@davywavy21414 жыл бұрын
Excellent and informative vid, thanks
@stuarthall66314 жыл бұрын
Great video - thank you for making and uploading. I live near Woodford and often walk the spurs formally connecting the G.C. and Straford -upon-Avon and Midland Junction Railway. These are readily accessible as they now form a public nature reserve. An idea for a future video, perhaps?
@met169894 жыл бұрын
Possibly, I haven’t really made any videos recently, lacking the motivation :/
@nigelmitchell3514 жыл бұрын
Such a waste.! Maybe HS2 will look like this in 60 years time.? Food for thought.
@NJPurling4 жыл бұрын
Are there serious defects that would make it uneconomic to return it to steam? Such as cracked frames/axles or life-expired boiler. Christ! If people built an A1 and are making a P2... How about a re-build of an Austerity with the full under-feed stoker & Gas Producer setup? The difference is that the firebox has secondary air admission holes above the fire for cleaner combustion. So that'd be a replacement boiler & re- made stoker & a Kylepor exhaust.
@met169894 жыл бұрын
NJPurling I think it was tubes initially, probably needs more now
@kineticrail4 жыл бұрын
Any chance you have anymore silent steam episodes in the pipelines. Certainly be needing something good to watch at the minute.
@met169894 жыл бұрын
kinetic .rail I’ve got a few locomotives in mind I want to talk about, I just have not had a chance to put anything together yet, as I’m still working in these difficult times. I’ll let you know when I make some progress
@JoseWhon4 жыл бұрын
To close these lines was the most shortsighted environmental decision in British history. Tragic.
@mervynsands35013 жыл бұрын
Quite so, foolhardy in the extreme, anyone with a thinking mind can see it, but politics and financial considerations, often overlook the overall benefits in reality, the GCR being in this category. Swept away to suit the mood of the time. At least a few sections have been saved for working preservation.
@neiloflongbeck57053 жыл бұрын
@@mervynsands3501 with the GCR duplicatingbthe WCML and MML you can close the GCR for long distance traffic without any ill effect on the railways. When Beeching came in the railways were losing IIRC around £100,000 per day. The main causes were 1. The loss of both passenger (car ownership rocketed after petrol rationing ended) and freight traffic to the roads, 2. The government capping fares and freight charges to control inflation (it failed) whilst costs were rising.
@ZazzelTheGamer4 жыл бұрын
if they still exists, the railway should repaint one blue and put a face on it. this might be the closet thing we can have to an E2 tank engine, and Thomas
@met169894 жыл бұрын
Zazzel The Gamer unfortunately this engine doesn’t still exist, only one of its sister E class is in preservation. I think the value of the engines history, it would be better kept in metropolitan maroon
@ZazzelTheGamer4 жыл бұрын
@@met16989 sad
@dsj6722 жыл бұрын
Neither L52 nor L44 are 0-6-0 wheel arrangement, which is what Thomas is, so they couldn't accurately reproduce the fictional character.
@ZazzelTheGamer2 жыл бұрын
@@dsj672 Someone can't be this dumb
@ZazzelTheGamer2 жыл бұрын
@@dsj672 " this might be the closet thing we can have to an E2 tank engine, and Thomas" Do you Thomas fans have a brain cell the size of a flipping ATOM?! Jesus fFFING CRIST!