write a preprocessor

it's probably due to ergonomics and performance concerns because most frameworks that implement signals wrap them in some way to improve the developer experience

I think it was always used in other frameworks under different names but it was never the focus of discussion I think until the component model won and people realized they're great for making user interfaces

​​@@JoyofCodeDev i resently learned and made some pyqt applications, and qt uses signels from by default for widgets, but i have noticed as application grows, using signels becoming tedius, and i had to use M-V arch., which complex enough to bang head against desk for several days that time i understood why web become soo popular.. webdev is sooo easy than making a basic app in desktop app frameworks (atleast qt)

basically yes, runes are just compiler specific and just transform runes into signals during runtime or build.

You can technically use preact signals in svelte (not that you should, but you can)

Yes, this is what frameworks like Svelte (upcoming runes) and Solid uses.

angular v18 uses also signals(), computed() and effect()

you can use preact signals

thank you! 😄

Yes, except that maybe it's still convoluted. Maybe we need this reactivity concept built in right into the Javascript compiler/parser/interpreter or whatever that really is. We need a new syntax for signals.

there is a proposal for signals

@@JoyofCodeDev It would be awesome if they did that. I came to this realization in 2022, and only 2 years after getting into programming for the first time in 2020, because I was so keen to understand how the computer understands Spreadsheet formulas (while I was working in Finance). After learning about parsers I quickly came to realize that not a single language (or even framework) is a good enough at (what later I learned is called) 'reactivity'. Currently I have managed to write a little interpreter that is capable to efficiently self-update spreadsheet references, though :D So I am kind of proud of myself that being an amateur (in programming) I was capable to see this problem so early on (and mostly because I understood that reacitivity is basically a bunch of mathematical equations that should preserve their truth state at all times which no programming language does when reassigning values). Anyways, I would love to see how they would implement this;

@@ardiannm yeah that's what most reactivity systems aspire to

pub sub is the only pattern that make sense on the frontend

I spent a lot of time thinking about it 😄

@@JoyofCodeDev ...and it shows. Hvala lepa!

I kind of want to explore that

@@JoyofCodeDev Please do 🙏, I tried a while back, but I couldn't get far enough...

I feel like the only additional thing you need when you have signals is a render html template function. Your "components" are then just wrapper functions like in Solid.

Svelnana hype!

🙌

thank you! 😄

thank you! 🙏

I want the lambo 😂

I updated the example repo

the example is from mdsvex.pngwn.io/