little late but tks for the information sir, something that I been dealing with and thinking about this exact thing.tks ed

Nice good job thanks for the info

This is a perfect demonstration of the “why-not”. 😮 Thanks for sharing.

The information you gave will save people from great harm and maybe death. Thank You.

This was the best explanation about what tank you can refill and why. I appreciate the fact that he cut the tanks open and showed us. Great job. He wasn’t just talking he showed us why you shouldn’t refill the single use tank. I believe it was the flame king even though it’s refillable had some rust. I will just use the Fuel Keg to be safe. I don’t want anything blowing up in my face. Thank You sir good job.

The rust only forms AFTER you open it. So far I have seen NOTHING that says I shouldn't refill one.

❤ Good way to blow yourself up refilling those tanks like get at Walmart that are not the refillable type 😮 Beware folks

Relax bro we aren’t dealing with high pressures .

That's a lot more metal 🤘

I've been refilling those for years, a few of my tall tanks are over 60 years old. I have had a few of those short green tanks leak after refill but its a seal issue. A buddy refills paintball air tanks and has a high pressure compressor. I wanted to know how much pressure one of those cheap tanks would take. Using a steel box as a safety precaution, I ran the pressure up on a few of the tanks with leaky valves. I fully intended to explode one. The compressor can supply up to 5,100 psi. The first tank, a rusty banged up older Coleman tank, took 2,233 psi before it started to distort its shape. At 2,390 psi it started to tear the seam and it vented and leaked. It leaked out fast but not explosively. The second tank stretched out and nearly formed a round ball at 2,612 psi but did not burst when I gave it 3,000 psi. The third tank, an older welded torch tank from 1971 branded Vornado. took 3,000 psi with no damage. On each one I blocked off the blow off valve which would normally pop open around a75 psi. A full propane cylinder will read around 130 psi when full on a warm day. Wear gloves and goggles, don't refill damaged tanks and leak check each one before storing or using them. Don't smoke or work near any open flame either when refilling.

How does Coleman get away with selling a "Net Weight 16 oz" gas cylinder when the gross weight is less than 16 oz??!!

Good infirmative video. I never thought of the thinner material on a propane cylinder. You did a public service here. Thanks

When you try to over refill them that's the problem never refill over a 1lb and should be ok but people want to fill to the max and that's not going to be good but im buying one of thise refillable tanks in the future

So if rust is on the inside of these. What’s the chances the rust will come out and clog something like a Mr. Buddy heater?

Hopefully Americans will realize the superiority of using the METRIC system when measuring dimensions.

Great public service video 👍🏻

Refillable have been very hard to find here and very expensive, this is the first link where they a reasonable price and ship to Canada. I may buy one when the Postal Strike is settled. I do have the fitting for refiling them, but have always been hesitant, I have refilled the Isobutane ones too 3/4 fill with strait butane.

I've been refilling the same 3 1lb. Bottles I've had for 30 years. Can't possibly remember where I bought them.

I refill all mine and have for 25yrs and nope, never an issue. One thing to note, the non refillable (ex: coleman) are illegal to transport once refilled but thats another issue for another video... 😉

I have some single use cylinders that are over 20 years old.

11 14 24 .. a thoughtful demo. a big contribution for us all to be safer. and interesting how a long ago fact comes to mind here. the saw-open , caliper & squeeze jobs u did show quite a picture. with the metallurgy angle sealing the deal for the point you are making. and , yes , i will be thinking. already have idea to skip refilling. and just continue to buy new ones, and use once. the risk - reward equation has shifted. and has me re-aware of having some value for my life and property

Where's all the statistics about people getting hurt by refilling single use bottles?

I bought the refillable kit plus some extra tanks so I now have 4 refillable (and legal to be transported) lb. tanks and I love them. I would not disagree with a single observation you have made , nor would I necessarily disagree with your conclusions or your advice. I do have one observation of my own. I searched pretty hard for incidents of injury and death related to relilling non-refillables and they are very difficult to find considering the probably hundreds of thousands times they have been reused. I found exactly 2. The evidence as reported in both was sketchy, and seemed to me to be less related to the type of tank used and more to reckless refilling behavior. When refilling any of these tanks there will always be a certain amount of gas leakage. If something goes wrong it may be liquid propane, and a lot.Remember you will be working with an upside down 20 pound tank. Both of the fatalities I discovered happened when refilling was done in an encloses space and operator error was the major factor involved.It was likely not related to the type of tank.I have not found one example of a tank failing by rupture and if someone can come up with one I'd like to read about it. Having said that I, in my early days of refilling, managed to overfill a few tanks and at least one to the point where I found the bottom bulging. That's when I started weighing my tanks. Eventually I found the Flamekings and I use them now, but I would say it's still a moderately dangerous process and not for everyone. If you are going to do it #1 do it outside , and wear gloves. If you do use the nonrefillables, weigh them to avoid overfilling. Anyone who says they can't be overfilled doesn't understand the process fully. Like your video , you made some great points.

Just saying, what about the Fuel Keg, you did not even touch on the results of the insides of the cut open canister, the impression I get, it seems like you're biased in favor of the Flame King, was there any rust in the Fuel Keg?

I appreciate you sharing your knowledge. I have 20 empty disposable cylinders I saved with intentions of refilling. You saved me from doing something stupid by showing me why it's dangerous to refill them. Time to toss them out. Thanks.

Appears the issue is not about REfilling as much as they should never have been filled initially.

Exactly what I needed to hear. I actually got the refill adapter off Amazon intending to just keep refilling my 1lb. cans I use for camping. Now I will get a couple cans intended for refilling. Thank you for saving my wife from having to be married to a retired Jarhead who's upper torso was blown off from a refilled 1-pounder at the campsite.

Fuel keg was so heavy i thought it came prefilled. Sucked when i got to my camp site

Thanks god bless

He probably sounds like that from inhaling to much propane.

Good video. I had been re-filling my Coleman bottles and just bought two Fuel Keg bottles. I thought the Fuel Keg bottles came filled as they were so much heavier, but no. I'm going to use up and recycle my Colemad bottles and buy more Fuel Keg bottles going forward. Thank you for the explanation of the differences.

Thank you. I needed this really check...

Excellent vid! Sorry there were some propane takes harmed in your video. Thanks for sacrificing for humanity. Those aren't cheap. Seriously, first vid I've seen actually doing comparison and showing risk and perhaps even saving lives if single use ones are refilled. Liked refillable strength and safety you presented. Hope folks will consider not going cheap instead of safest. Thank you for great presentation!

Your cylinder analysis is great info and I was a little surprised to see the bare steel in the disposable. But it makes sense, since they are ‘disposable’. I do like the idea of a factory made refillable cylinder. The downside is price. We have several lanterns, camp stoves, and Buddy heaters. We would need at least 10 refillable cylinders. Our stuff is for emergency backup for power outages. Currently on hand, we have 28 new disposables, 5 refilled, and 6 empties split between our home and cabin. I only keep 2 or 3 new disposables inside the living space at each place. Great review, thanks!

I just refilled 2 of the green coleman cylinders as we are going camping this weekend. That will be the last time I do that. Just ordered 3 Mr Heater cylinders.

I had a second shift supervisor job once. One task that was so important that I never delegated it: emptying the water out of the tank of our industrial air compressor. Every day the last thing I would do at shift end was open the valve and let that water sputter out of the bottom of the air tank. Sometimes there would be an ounce or more, sometimes just a spray, but I always emptied it, and made a note on the log sheet I kept attached to the compressor. Now I can see why it was a necessary task.

Sounds more like you could find a compromise here. She, they can be refilled. But instead of unlimited cycling, you limit it to say 10-20 rounds instead of 40? Is there any statistical evidence that the corrosion has caused catastrophic failures? What's the rate cycle count for the thicker ones you presented? I don't think the complete story is bring told here (but the information is useful, nonetheless).

Excellent video!. I had only seen videos of people refilling them. You are the only one that I have seen that weighed them and cut them open. The hand squeezing also made an impression. Thank you for a very concise informative video.

These tanks have very low pressure. We're not talking truck tires here. If you are worried about it just fill it 1/2 or 2/3 full and maybe throw them away after 10 years.

Anyone notice how many fans he’s has??? I stopped listening once I noticed 😂

You provide the most comprehensive explaination on KZbin I've seen regarding WHY you don't want to refill the cheap single use cylinders backed up with experience. Thanks for your expertise! Given thickness and rust I won't plan to refill the single use cylinders - cost savings isn't worth the risk due to rust failure, etc.

I bet he's related to Red Green!!! Probably his brother!

Why aren't you promoting the Fuel Keg since you demonstrated that it is better? You also didn't mention the price for any of them.

Expecting a duct tape solution with that red green voice lol

i've always been skeptical. this made me step back onto the side of reason. Thanks friend.

Good info.

I'm so glad i found this video before i made any purchases. Thanks mate

Great info :) Thank you

Just buy the cans that are meant to be refilled.

Damn it. You convinced me too. I'll burn through the ones I've filled but will switch to the Fuel Keg. While the point is to save money, money is still saved after the initial investment and the piece of mind is worth much.