6 жыл бұрын
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@charleshodgson9285 6 ай бұрын
If you're a middle class lefty with a degree, you should STFU about The Fall. About sums up Doran & The Quietus. Go back to your groundbreaking Radiohead records.
@jordanashley1994 6 ай бұрын
Why? The Fall doesn't 'belong' solely to working class people without a degree.
@DragonFlagBand Жыл бұрын
The Fall were brilliant till the last album. No bad LPs. Just listen to them properly!
@malonehoney Жыл бұрын
Excellent
@karllux-d6g 2 жыл бұрын
I had to be the 77th to like this. This is an album i only bought in 85, because distribution and import around these shores were a headache in those days, but i remember when it came out. Mind you, my country's national fm headquarters ( at least two major stations in 1982, in Portugal) had some announcers/dj's who were into The Fall, so secondary and university students progressively became witness of Mr Smith's group's energic yet somewhat awkward musical rendition. The Fall must be on the UK's 5-short-list for Die-Hard British bands who freakin' never sold out, even when grooming and slightly polishing their sound and vision, namely when Brix joined them. I'd been an lp collector since 77 and this was the first Fall album i've ever bought ( ...many more after) , nevertheless, having heard parts of Live at TWT, Dragnet and Grotesque (a.t.t.g) on said radio shows, this new one had something about the sound and production (yes, production) that kinda set them side by side with them ''professionally sounding'' groups. And when The Classical broke in through the speakers, without warning, it was as if they were takin' on the world - you never recover from that track. .
@crossman3940 2 жыл бұрын
My balck mrs calls me my nigger . Can I call her black ⚫ 😍
@speeduser3597 Жыл бұрын
It was a comment on tokenism.
@phillmaf7319 3 жыл бұрын
Credibility street,with welfare and poverty. Daze before the net and conspiracy theories The Fall was knocking on the door of truths. Wow people with education philosophical y chopping up the fall! Not so long ago the arty farty elites were SCARED of the Fall. Mark hinted at little Hilton and Lucifer over Lancashire,he knew all about Jimmy Saville and BBC
@kempsole 3 жыл бұрын
Seems to be a pseudo intellectual attempt to cover up an obvious racist. He was a fan of Brexit and the Falklands war which gives you MES general nationalist tendencies.
@Harpdashian 3 жыл бұрын
Supporting Brexit/ the Falklands War don't have any relation to racism. There are no reasons to believe he's racist because he used a word in a song.
@kempsole 3 жыл бұрын
It’s par for the course in my experience
@animatiz 3 жыл бұрын
@@Harpdashian Honestly there’s no point using reason with these people. The buzz of being a hero for them is to strong. They are high on their own supply and will not stop.
@speeduser3597 Жыл бұрын
It was a comment on tokenism. Check annotated fall site.
@elwoodblues7157 3 жыл бұрын
"Bands send tapes to famous apes
. Male slags, male slates, famous apes, water, cater. Now: great thoughts
. The whole country is post-gramme
. Hail the new puritan!"
@karllux-d6g 2 жыл бұрын
Apart from the intro to your comment, which sounds a wee cryptic, yet hinting at something happening at the BBc, involving tea, i do agree with the synthesis. Anyways, i've always seen him as a real new puritan, an hard-boiled buzzcock still able to describe in vitriol , what trve-grit working class British Socialism might have been, had it not vanished with a tuneful blare.
@Morphstock 4 жыл бұрын
I don't see why he singles out the Gun Club. I've checked the lyrics to For THe Love Of Ivy and it seems quite clear that they were in character unless of course Jeffrey Lee Pierce was a "steel drivin' man" which seems a bit unlikely. I'm not saying it was a good idea for him to use the n -word but I don't think for a moment it was meant to be representing his own viewpoint. One of Pierce's big influences was Robert Johnson and he was also a fan of Sun Ra and even Prince. There's far more evidence to support the argument that MES was racist if you wanted to go down that route.
@lanamercury710 4 жыл бұрын
Great documentary! Interesting to find out about the housing crisis here in London. What gear did you use to record this or is it a compilation of footage?
@mesolithicman164 4 жыл бұрын
What a pathetic load of twaddle regarding 'the n word'. Back in 1982 that word hadn't been weaponized in the way it has today. And Smith is using it in an intelligent way to describe the Fall's outsider status in relation to the main stream media. These days everyone and their sister 'love' the Fall, back then they were as peripheral to the music industry as you can get. It's also important to contrast this with his observation of "Kensington white Rastas". So in effect you're talking about 2 sides of the same coin. It's ill-advised trying to explain stuff like this if you weren't there, but there was never any critique of this at the time and no one seriously considered Smith or any of the Indie bands as racist in outlook.
@mesolithicman164 Жыл бұрын
Further: I'm amazed that these people can throw around the C word but they tread on eggshells with the N word. This tells me that they don't understand the central core attitude of the Fall. And in fact, let's be honest, love the cool outsider image that goes with being a modern pseudo Fall fan. That kind of hero worship would have gotten the harshest kind of rebukes from MES in his razor sharp prime.
@lukeheywood7334 Жыл бұрын
Your so right marks politics have slwzys been sound fuc me give the man dome credit in sctual fact its anti racist the clasxical is mes at his best
@lukeheywood7334 Жыл бұрын
Hobestly shut the dribbleleadbelly
@mesolithicman164 Жыл бұрын
@@lukeheywood7334 ' Precision made to the wrong specifications '.
@lukeheywood7334 Жыл бұрын
Wireless unenthusiasts
@matthewcoombs3282 4 жыл бұрын
Why is he so obssessed with a single lyric from The Classical. I took it to be Smith attacking tokenism and condesending attitudes to black people in general. Maybe I am taking a charitable view. Either way it is not important. It is a single word not typical of the rest of Smith's output.
@earinsound 3 жыл бұрын
exactly i’m surprised doran willfully ignores this
@lukeheywood7334 Жыл бұрын
You are correct ref underpaid and bit part tokenism roward black thesoians. Hence o ligayory nihgr
@Sushi2735 5 жыл бұрын
British government should be shot. Buying citizenship! I’ll go visit Paris instead.
@beebop3734 5 жыл бұрын
How many times does he say "I/me/my" ... yawn
@MadderMel 5 жыл бұрын
Darn ! Those lyrics are very deep indeed !!
@animatiz 3 жыл бұрын
Who said that particular song had deep lyrics ? You?
@matthewmiller4341 5 жыл бұрын
Very interesting.
@AB-ou8ve 6 жыл бұрын
Seize them and refuse the owners any compensation. Any attempt to take back the property is to be met with a public execution. End of story.
@bzfgt1 6 жыл бұрын
Excellent, excellent talk!
@bzfgt1 6 жыл бұрын
Especially 15:20 ... heh...but really, tackling that line that lots of us just wish didn't exist (so we wouldn't have to deal with it), you do admirable work here....I'm mulling over whether I was too easy on him...
@johngalantini6910 6 жыл бұрын
John Doran is great, I've got a lot of time for him. Now there's a potential memoir worth reading!
@gromitpesley 5 жыл бұрын
John Galantini There’s a very drab polish type documentary about him called “the life of john doran”
@nathl4559 5 жыл бұрын
Gromit Pesley made me want to kill myself with joy (⭐️⭐️⭐️)
@vollsticks 4 жыл бұрын
@@gromitpesley Hah, good one!
@vollsticks 4 жыл бұрын
Same here, absolutely. Probably the last generation of genuinely GOOD, interesting music journalists. Wasn't aware of him 'til the Noisey thing but I went back and scoured everything on the internet I could watch or read by him. Top bloke. I didn't agree with a lot of his choices for British Masters (John Lydon, what a fucking debacle that was! Not 'cause of any incident, just because Lydon has turned into the most boorish, arrogant arsehole on the planet...the best thing he's done is "Rise" and his autobiography, he's a fucking iving caricature at this point and America can have him, with pleasure. He's probably condemning the BLM protests and arse-licking up to Trump as I write this--SOOOO PUNK, John! Sorry for the rant but he doesn't half piss me off) but that's just 'cause either a) I don't like their music or b) they don't deserve to be called a "British Master" imho. Especially people like Noel Gallagher who 1: isn't a great guitarist NOR songwriter and 2: his career would be nothing without "Britpop" and "Cool Brittania". Put him against Mark E. Smith, I know whose legacy will leave the biggest impact... Great video pity there were no visuals but the talk more than made up for it.
@animatiz 3 жыл бұрын
@@vollsticks The BLM protests were a fucking joke. Diversion technique.
@justmadeit2 6 жыл бұрын
The Falls classic No Bulbs from 1984, i just made a video featuring many light bulbs here ! kzbin.info/www/bejne/hWjYhZ-ao7SkmtE
@Gates2Aion 6 жыл бұрын
I think it as this... no one cares about you if your jobless, poor or have problems with your life, they might for a little bit but everyone at the end of the day looks out for their own backside. everyone tries to do their best to keep their money. I've seen so many people not giving up their seat to the elderly, people walk by and not giving money to the homeless or the streets. simple thing as in the gym 98% of the people do not put their weights back. people sleeping train and when it's their last stop not waking them up. you call yourself a liberal or democratic but are you really. people don't want free education in the US because if that happens it'll lower the value of their own Degree. I can go on but if the rich want to buy up London to keep themselves rich than so be it.
@monsieurfortuna9952 5 жыл бұрын
You said it as it is, it's very sad.
@PersonGamma 6 жыл бұрын
Genuinely good effort. Maybe get a better mic and a tripod next time?
@craftykev 6 жыл бұрын
Some interesting stuff, bit too much lefty politics which I don’t think shares much with the Fall.
@earinsound 6 жыл бұрын
yeah that marxist magic trick at the end
@adriansteele5679 6 жыл бұрын
mark was a trot though
@mesolithicman164 4 жыл бұрын
Although he had a northern working class political outlook, Smith had a contempt for people who couldn't think for themselves. He delighted in his role as a contrarian, he was by no means a doctrinaire thinker, politically or culturally.
@craftykev 4 жыл бұрын
@@adriansteele5679 Hardly, he believed in God. He wasn't a revolutionary. He remembered traditions as others discarded them.
@craftykev 4 жыл бұрын
@@mesolithicman164 Indeed. Just refreshing to see someone with their own mind. Stands out like a sore thumb these days, as he did.
@TheWill2112 6 жыл бұрын
Well said sir :)