The dsx 525 is choked by the euro5 standards..Here on my region we switch the headers with the pre- catalysts to headers without pre- catalysts , we change the air filter with a performance air filter and we are re- programming the ecu..for a 500€ you experience the true capabilities of the bike..And its a WOW thing to do..Trust me..

I would find it odd that the Himalayan is more road bias seeing as it's supposed to be a rugged off road/adv, whereas the MT looks more road bias and the front wheel looks too big in proportion. Just my opinion obviously. Loving the screen on the RE but am looking forward to what else they will churn out with that engine. Perhaps channels such as yourself could put a call out to CFMoto owners of say 5 years to review and see what their longevity is, might put pay to the negative comments or not. I joined the ER6F/N Facebook group, kinda wished I hadn't, because you see posts about issues all the time, but no one ever brings them up in big brand reviews unless it's a recall and it's soon forgotten anyway.

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Great review I did look at both bikes yesterday and was taken a back how difficult the Royal Enfield was to move of the side stand on uneven ground this would be a deal breaker for me personally I know you could fix this but the cf moto just appeared more upmarket.i was comparing the cf moto to my Honda cb500x and it would appear a suitable replacement .back in 2020 I had to buy hand guards and power outlet which all come as standard on the cf moto but still don’t on the cb500x or the nx500. I also am considering going for a different bike looked the Royal Enfield shotgun but my wife commented on the 650 logo and the paint schemes are not as nice as the other Royal Enfield range, the shotgun could looked more retro I don’t mean like a classic 650 if they release it but more like a triumph bobber paint scheme.maybe more premium.

I tried the RE 450 yesterday. And I was surprised in a positive way. That engine performes well. At low speed, nearly tickover it just rolled on, even up hill. Look forward to the Guerilla!

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CF is twin and better for travel.

I doubt we'll be getting the CF Moto 450 MT, it looks like they're pushing a bigger adventure bike, the Ibex 800 here in the US. The Himalayan 450 hasn't arrived yet, and I've heard nothing so far. We still have the Kawasaki Versys-X 300 as an ongoing model here. Very much in the same class as these. I've been looking into that one lately, and would probably gravitate towards that, even over the Enfield. The RE bikes always appeal to me, but I think my desire to try out other brands wins out when I stop and think about it.

I’ve done 1,000 kilometres on my 450MT and love it. It’s miles ahead in quality over the Himalayan imo

I like both, twin cylinder attracts, low speed chug attracts, have to have a test go!

Whats your height?

Not a horse fly, mate. 😂 Great roundup of the bikes. 😄👍

big difference is the weight & how heavy they feel. For me the Himalayan feels very heavy.Himalayan is also taller-wider & longer than the 411 so it's almost become a middleweight segment bike instead of the lite middleweight bike. Air cleaner for hImalayan under the tank so you actually have to remove the tank to change the air cleaner. CF is under the seat towards the back of tank.I think Royal Enfield probably could have improved on what they had by installing a alloy swing arm & lighter tank. I think the 450 MT is a better all round bike but it depends on support from after market suppliers-depends on parts availability & depends when the bikes actually become available in the show room as well as reliability over time.

The RE is ride by wire but the CF isn't.

they are both good useable commuter bikes ,, but are ugly for a retired style cruise about use , more of a purpose machine than a pleasure cruiser ;;

the 1960's mercury cougar [mustang ] had those indicators in the 60's

The royal Enfield Himalayan is just ugly full stop, probably fantastic but when ya walk away from it after a ride would ya look over your shoulder for an admiring look ?????? I doubt it , the cfmoto looks fantastic

Yes. That was a horse fly. Having been bitten by one on many occasions as a young boy I think I’m an expert

1 litre petrol = 0.84 kilogram - Lubricants: 1 litre = 0.88 kilogram.

I do like the look of the cf Moto, I’m not sure the new himi is what was expected, it’s nice to ride but vibey at speed and lacking some of the basics ie that screen is pointless. I’m gonna stick with my 390 adv, still the best bike in the category for the money, In my humble opinion of course. Similar hp, way lighter and in uk under the 400cc tax bracket.

Very good comparison, make sure you do a side by side ride then you get a chance.

Fully fuelled, the CF weighs 197.40 kg

Very interesting comparison Sean, and as always, very well presented. CF Moto has come out of nowhere to be a serious contender in today's market.

I envy you people. It's a bit "hard" to love my hunter 350 because there's a 400cc rule in expressways where I live.

Polish crap till it shines. Idiots will buy - Chinese proveb.

The Himalayan is more beautiful bike and more different from the others. And you forgot to say the Himalayan has and side stand and main stand.this is why the extra weight.

The CF450 is what Suzuki could do with their new V-Strom. Suzuki don't have anything between their 125 and 650 models. The Indians and Chinese are going to do very well in this bracket I think.

Bsa bantam 125 sell worldwide use money to develop a65 or a10 twin, 750 engine or even 800.prfer look of a 10 motor.

Ridden both and I can't see anywhere the RE is better. I found the RE very vibey and engine flat. Cf moto has tubeless tyres as standard too.

Glad I don't have to make the choice between the two, they both look very good, the numbers are very similar, but probably the fact i'd find an Enfield dealer quicker, would swing my choice to the Himmy, plus the fact I tend to lean towards the classic names anyway. PS. looks like you've bought yourself a new Lawn mower?

This motorcycle has soul

Love retro, but i like 450mt.

The way you been talking I don't see them trading blows 🤣 cfmoto seems way better

I really like the colour of the RE and those wheels and the CF is also very nice I think in the end I would probably plum for the CF as it is a twin as I have never really been into singles but both are very good bikes .👌👍

What a lot of choice! They both look good, (CF moto is nicer in my opinion) but to my eye the CF is on the nail for quality, and it feels really nice to sit on. The Himy looks a little awkward with that elephant head fuel tank, but it looks better in the darker colour. I think if RE had had kept the new shape nearer to the old shape it would be a winner! But not this time RE.

Both are great and a bargain. RE just wins out over CF on looks and fact its a single. Tough choice to be honest!

I about to chose the RE, just to also buy me into the brand and history. Rode one for two days in the South of France. Excellent motorbike, also for on rode with 34 km per liter, in case that interests you.

Himalayan is ride by wire , please read the spec before a review. 👍

Not keen on either, although the RE is a single which is what I like in the sub-500cc category. It's a bit heavy, though. In summary: the RE for the dash; MT for the adjustable screen; RE for the headlight and high mudguard; MT for the cross spoke wheels; a tie for the profile. They're just different. As I've said elsewhere, I want to see the Guerrilla, but I'll probably stick with the 390.

I've heard horror stories about after sales with the CFMoto range.

452 is an attractive motorcycle whereas the 450mt is a good looking modern adv , horses and courses

Great festival! I missed seeing you? You have great teeth? Lol 😂

What bike(s) do you own at the moment?

No one ever mentions luggage ....wish they'd not put the exhausts so high like on the CF ! How many people cross rivers ? Really ? No point in losing half a case for the exhaust !

Tried them both today, the twin feels a lot better

I find it so hard to choose between them that I've decided I'll stick with my ZZR1400

This is a very detailed introduction. Thank you for your efforts. I personally like the 450MT very much. It has many small details that are better: inward-folding rearview mirrors; one-touch ABS; complete metal guard plate at the bottom of the engine; very nice exhaust sound; because it is a twin-cylinder, its engine vibration suppression is also very good. Very simple, capable, and tough appearance design. I like its TFT instrument UI design very much. The 450MT and 450SR/450NK/450CL-C use the same engine. There are at least 100,000 of this engine running in the world. I have not found any negative news. I think it has withstood the test of a certain mileage. I definitely choose the 450MT.

add the Triumph 400x and I have real problems with a decision!

What RE had with the previous iteration was an iconic design...whereas this one just looks like a lot of other ADVs...and CF Moto actually nailed the retro styling (throwback to the transalp from the late 80s!) So definitely the CF Moto winning this one for me!

RE ought to have started with the Bullet when the introduced the J-Series.