Now, that's quite some lineup of the Minimoogs. I didn't even know that the original Model D's front panel was all metal with etched markings. That's the same style as a Swiss made typewriter or a set of watchmaking tools. I mean, the current leather-like textured vinyl overlay on the Model D reissues from 2016 and 2022 are not bad at all. All the Minimoogs have charm and purpose. I am wondering if they still use discrete electronic components or integrated circuits in the Model D reissues. I am also interested in knowing how Moog implemented the oscillators in the Minimoogs and the modular systems. Are the oscillators charging and discharging capacitors? Or are they more complicated electronic circuits?
@jbass61822 күн бұрын
If the Behringer system 55 doesn’t have portamento how did you get some portamento sound in the last example you played on the Behringer???
@synthproКүн бұрын
@@jbass6182 What is happening is the vintage moog modular also doesn't have a portamento module. In the moog system, the portamento is part of the moog 950 keyboard controller. I interface the behringer into the moog modular and am using the Moog 950 as the control source which gave me the portamento fo both units. No MIDI was used on this demo. I did later on build a little portament module for my Behringer and it works great.
@paulluongo27563 күн бұрын
Very cool.....
@paulshim41705 күн бұрын
Great work. I have a 2016 and have never melded with it because it did not sound like what I heard on vintage Minimoogs. In your intro I heard the same differences between the two you demonstrated but after your work they sound very similar. I was wondering if the type and voltage rating of coupling caps to block DC offset could account for the more open sound of the vintage as I have experienced that in audio circuits. I know that the level of the DC offset does affect the sound of an electrolytic cap. You mention that the 2016 had less than half the DC offset of the vintage and maybe this higher DC offest on the vintage allows the electrolytic to behave more ideally as a coupling cap. I have also noticed that voltage ratings that are just above the actual voltage the cap will encounter sounds better than one that is say 4x over rated. Also was the 2016 assembled with leaded solder?
7 күн бұрын
I had one of these and I loved it. Best pitch bend I’ve ever experienced! Unfortunately it got stolen.
@oldbladderhorn14 күн бұрын
sure does centre tap and italian and note note note center tap note note italian it into a very deep reverb and panned all over the spectrum
@vlzmusik15 күн бұрын
The 3350 filters are state variable filters, so that's a complete different design. Each is a two-pole filter capable of lp, hp, bp, br and ap, depending on how they are wired.
@synthpro15 күн бұрын
@@vlzmusik you are correct. I meant to mention that but totally forgot. It basically has two state variable filters for what they call upper and lower and then one is switchable to off making it a single low pass filter.
@vlzmusik14 күн бұрын
yes, I really like this design, with 2 filters there's so much flexibility. Reminds me what they do in the elka synthex and also oberheim matrix with the reconfiguration of filter poles. Very nice.
@lesingemonotone15 күн бұрын
The A and D envelope pots seem to be logarithmic according to the service manual, maybe that can explain the strange envelope behaviour?
@synthpro15 күн бұрын
@@lesingemonotone I'm sure that's what it is.
@IvanEngler15 күн бұрын
awesomeness
@jackmomma748116 күн бұрын
God dammit… these videos for the little phatty and sub phatty are all older than shit. Chances are this account holder no longer uses this account. So, so much for having questions
@vincenzocompare650116 күн бұрын
June 22 83 I believe it's the date. In Italy it I's DD MM YY
@synthpro16 күн бұрын
@@vincenzocompare6501 thanks for the clarification, appreciate it.
@misruler937017 күн бұрын
Oh Boy! This is great! Never heard one before and I had always wondered how they sounded! Fantastic work and demonstration! Thanks!
@josephpailo55617 күн бұрын
Always great learning the past through an amazing tech
@nonsuch17 күн бұрын
Sounds decent. It's really a shame about the ADSRs. Bad design but, not hopeless. It's fine for the museum however, If I owned it I would change some component values to dial it in proper. The Decay is the most unacceptable. Cheers!
@synthpro17 күн бұрын
@@nonsuch I agree, if it were mine or going to a player, I would change some things for sure. I believe they were trying to avoid a direct copy of moogs EGs but kinda missed the mark a bit.
@0richbike17 күн бұрын
Fascinating bit of kit. You watching this Cherry Audio?
@brettlemmings17 күн бұрын
thank you for excellent demo of this, i really want one now !
@synthpro17 күн бұрын
@@brettlemmings you're welcome, it was a fun synth to work with. Thanks for watching.
@pablowentscobar17 күн бұрын
Really interesting video. Cool synth, thanks for going through it so thoroughly. I really love these types of video where we get to see everything. Good stuff.
@synthpro17 күн бұрын
Thanks for watching. It really is a interesting and unique synth for sure.
@leiferickson318317 күн бұрын
Thans for making these videos. I greatly appreciate your point of view and your music.
@synthpro17 күн бұрын
Thank you very much, glad you enjoy my videos and music. Thanks again.
@AlexanderHenriksson-zd9ij17 күн бұрын
thank you
@AlexanderHenriksson-zd9ij17 күн бұрын
Do you think the Model D couldbe modified to sound the same as the real deal? If you listen to the original the Boog sound really good, but does not have the same openness perhaps as the original Moog. I read the mixer section is passive in the original but active in the boog.
@ahandsomefridge23 күн бұрын
Imagine making a video like this and 9 years later people are still discovering it and finding it very helpful :D Thanks for sharing, hope to get similar results with my Behringer clone!
@dazz-world24 күн бұрын
Great video! I’ve been pricing one together from scratch over the past few years - I should have enough modules to make it work pretty soon (it’s been a busy few years!). I’ll be referring back to this.
@fedrek0127 күн бұрын
It's crazy that you can save 34000$ and buy the modular synth from Behringer that can do Moog just flawlesly. I don't like the Moog prices at all, of course it's a part of the history, one of the first produced synths but 35k, c'mon.
@pvillezАй бұрын
Thank you for sharing. Great idea. Gamechanger Audio later used this idea for their Motorsynth product.
@orenl2444Ай бұрын
can you explain how you got off the original membrain?
@synthproАй бұрын
@@orenl2444 every unit is a bit different depending on how strong the adhesion is. Typically I start with a heat gun and putty knife. I put some heat in the old membrane and start at the right corner working my way to the left. I use adhesive remover to remove any glues left behind.
@orenl2444Ай бұрын
Thanks for the great explanation , I think the glue remover should be tested on the plastic and metal surface, I would check if the chemicals don’t damage the materials
@synthproАй бұрын
@@orenl2444 you're welcome. I never use the adhesive remover on the new membrane panel. It should be noted that the original panel is damaged in the removal process. The adhesive remover is used to prep the metal surface under the membrane for the new replacment membrane panel. NEVER let the adhesive remover come in contact with plastic such as the keys....it will deform them.
@orenl2444Ай бұрын
@@synthproyes sir👍🏻👍🏻
@julesl6910Ай бұрын
Fun fact - at the end of Pink Floyd's Welcome to the Machine, this is the sound you're hearing (played through a filter and with tape effects). @6:45
@synthproАй бұрын
@@julesl6910 I don't believe that is correct but does have a similar sound. Pink Floyd used a EMS synthi for that sound, it has wide range oscillator control so frequency could be swept from low to high and then they had the noise source in the backgroundto give that motor sound a realistic rotation effect.
@julesl6910Ай бұрын
@@synthpro They used the recording in combination with the EMS synth
@suadcokljat1045Ай бұрын
Please, what actual Deoxit product you use for oxidized bus bars and wires? Is it also OK for Minimoog bars and springs? Cheers! S
@maydaygoingdown5602Ай бұрын
No sample & Hold????
@synthproАй бұрын
@@maydaygoingdown5602 no, the sample/hold wasn't original to Moog either until later or using the 1120 accessory module.
@RandomButBeautifulАй бұрын
the moog has more bite and low end weight for sure, it does sound better but you get about 90% of the sound on the behr for a fraction of the money.
@jazzenthusiast4353Ай бұрын
from 7:50 on the sound is very close to the "Lucky Man" Moog solo by Keith Emerson.
@suadcokljat1045Ай бұрын
I really enjoyed this one. Thanks! S
@suadcokljat1045Ай бұрын
Please, when you say that you cleaned all pots, does it mean you took out every pot, disassembled, cleaned everything and relubricated? Amazing work you do. Cheers! S
@synthproАй бұрын
@@suadcokljat1045 yes, you are correct. I physically take each pot apart by bending tabs and heating up to loosen glues and them flush/lube. If carbon is worn out, I replace pot with donor pot or spec a new component. Thank you very much!
@suadcokljat1045Ай бұрын
@@synthpro Thank you for such prompt response. Please, one more question - when you relubricate pots, do you apply grease to shaft only or you add some to carbon track and wiper to ease friction? Or you leave carbon trace and wiper clean and dry? Thanks! S
@synthproАй бұрын
@@suadcokljat1045 I flush the pot itself with Deoxit F5 to remove worn carbon powders and it coats wiper and track with just enough oil. I then I have a special blend of very low viscosity synthetic oils I use to lubricate shank/sleeve. I don't use any grease because that can trap future carbon wear and cause problems. The Allen Bradley pots are very robust and don't require too much but after 50 years the carbon powder does build up especially on high use machines and that is where the scratchy response comes from usually. It is important to inspect while pot is open because on high use machines, the carbon wiper can be worn down to the metal actuator. I do see partially missing carbon in a few cases which effects pot range. Some of these pots have an odd taper response so I have to actually match a replacement pot by testing the response for the location it will be going. Needless to say it's a labor of love🙂
@suadcokljat1045Ай бұрын
@@synthproThank you for suggestions. I know Deoxit Fader is great product, but too bad its not common in Europe and it costs 3x as in the US. Please, would you be so kind and help with something I didn't see in any of your Minimoog videos (and I've seen them all) - on the late serial numbers with the new oscillator board, there are lot of transistors marked with colored dots. These are various matched and selected transistors and more-less described in the service manual. However, on my mini (sn123xx) all UA741, TL081 and MC1458 opamps on oscillator and buffer boards are marked with red dot (15 opamps total) but there is nothing in service manual about these markings and special requirements. Do you maybe know why did Moog marked these opamps and are there any special requirements for new ones? I see you always replace some opamps (guess 741s) as your standard restoration procedure. Do you use standard new manufactured 741, 081 and 1458 from Mouser/Digikey such as TI, or you search for NOS ICs from 70s and 80s? This about Moog component markings, matching and selecting should be great theme for one of your future videos. Thanks and cheers! S
@monsterjazzlicks2 ай бұрын
Very interesting! 😁
@sergemoreillon12362 ай бұрын
Great video! Thanks!
@synthpro2 ай бұрын
@@sergemoreillon1236 thank you, appreciate you watching!
@sergemoreillon12362 ай бұрын
😃 Impressive... A synth we could just dream about in the 70's... For simple amateur musicians fans of Rick Wakeman, Patrick Moraz (swiss compatriot) or Mr Emerson... And your incredible job to keep these dreams alive is great and fascinating ! Thank you very much and congratulations! 🎸 Can't wait to find videos on the 203A 😻
@sergemoreillon12362 ай бұрын
So great you give us this ultra rare opportunity with 4 generations!!! Thank you so much 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
@jbass61822 ай бұрын
What keyboard controller are you using??
@synthpro2 ай бұрын
@@jbass6182 for this demo I was actually using the vintage moog 950 keyboard from the moog modular. This was a 100% analog setup. I also have a demo using the MIDI to CV converter which is also nice, it can be setup as a duophonic instrument where you actually get two CV voltages from two MIDI notes, (sort of like the Arp Odyssey).
@darrengoodenough80642 ай бұрын
One of the best synths ever made if not the best surely always been my favourite
@darrengoodenough80642 ай бұрын
Gorgeous
@ParanormalLight.2 ай бұрын
Nice helpful little mod, Jareth.!!!
@JohnLRice2 ай бұрын
😎👍
@SynthMan652 ай бұрын
Nice mod, Jareth! BTW, disregard my email about me sending you my Roland JP-6 for repairs. I'm just going to fix it myself. Oscillator 1 has an issue associated with the osc1 & osc2 mix pot. The idiots at Wizard Electronics in Atlanta really screwed this up, and I have since moved back home to Louisville. I've got an o-scope, freq counter, and logical IC chip tester.
@synthartist692 ай бұрын
Keep your reissue away from hot air 85 degrees and up for extended periods..Mine stayed upstairs during an Arkansas summer without air conditioning. About 8 keys stopped working. You would have to play with those for about 15 min to get them to make consistant contact each time you turn the unit on..a couple of keys would rarely work at all no matter what you did. I dismantled the keybed and cleaned the contacts twice. Did not work either time. I ended up buying a new fatar keybed, keep Moog in a temp controlled environment now. No problems.
@tommyfoley2 ай бұрын
Awesome mod. Thanks for sharing.
@synthpro2 ай бұрын
Thanks. I appreciate you watching.
@leiferickson31832 ай бұрын
Those are some thin traces. Cool mod.
@synthpro2 ай бұрын
The tracings are actually quite large compared to newer instrumens but not as wide as some of the vintage gear. I do like how its all through hole design. Thanks, glad you like the mods.
@synthesizersdotcom2 ай бұрын
What a wonderfully in depth walkthrough of an incredible build. Thanks for making this Jareth!
@synthpro2 ай бұрын
Thank you very much, appreciate the support and the time taken to watch this video!
@tortugacastro2 ай бұрын
Hi, nice work!! Is it possible to add a pitch bend wheel?
@synthpro2 ай бұрын
@@tortugacastro thank you very much. Unfortunately, there is no room in the MG-1 to stabally mount a pitch wheel. With this said, I have added foot pedal pitch control to other moogs which could be done to these fairly easy. You could use a Moog EP-3 style pedal.
@VickersDoorter2 ай бұрын
This is probably one of the richest-sounding synths I've ever owned and in my time I've had the CS 80, Elka Synthex and Schmidt 8-voice, so am used to the best. It's stayed with me throughout the ownership of all those and recently I got my hands on the 4-voice rack to bump me up to 8 voices. Think they might bury it with me....
@jordanbutler88282 ай бұрын
THIS is what I want a full version of!
@JimmyJimbopants2 ай бұрын
Here’s the thing, does this get any closer than the arturia version? I have to admit, it doesn’t. But it’s still pretty cool.
@synthpro2 ай бұрын
@@JimmyJimbopants I think they are both good depending on what the musician is after. With that said, this is what you do get with hardware based synths, this is probably only important to people like myself who mostly uses hardware instruments but is things to take into consideration when comparing software to hardware: 1. You have physical controls physical patching on the spot. 2. not susceptible to software updates or loss of future support. 3. gives you actual CV voltages to work with between other instruments allowing (in my case) to build and experiment with new circuit ideas. I'm certainly not against VST instruments and don't want to come off that way with this comment, I think there are some really great ones out there and especially for the super rare stuff.