I'm sorry the correct way to pronounce it bothers you.

Probably not, mainly because you can only hit one of them with the strats and free captain ability. I'd support them with PCS and sword bros though

I stopped using the grenade launcher at level artificer because it was boring. No chalange, no skill needed.

its a fuckn grenade launcher, but you want it to act like a bean bag launcher? I've been using the auto bolt, heavy bolt, and stalker on ruthless and let me tell you, it's not a fun time. You're left swinging your melee after running out of ammo on 3 warriors. But that grenade launcher is a fun time and clearly you haven't used it enough to know that you can still die. The game will still kill you whether you have it or not. You just play one mission with it and that's it i bet. It takes the game too long to wake up and start throwing in those wild waves of hatred. Believe it, the launcher is just fine.

You're just arguing in bad faith lol. Your ability to kill hordes is irrelevant. The issue is that no matter what weapon setup you use no matter what class you play as, Absolutely nothing compares to the GL + Auspex's ability to kill bosses in mere seconds. And you know damn well it's not about horde clearing. you know damn well that it's not about 'synergy' Do me a favour, try killing a boss or group of extremis enemies or a terminus with your heavy bolt rifle + auspex in the same amount of time as you kill them with the GL + auspex. Try to do it with an assault but without the auspex, since the assault obviously doesn't have one. a sniper. a heavy. A bulwark. A vanguard. Absolutely none of these classes, except for exclusively in situations where they have a tactical using auspex scan for them. Can kill a boss in even 1/4th the time as a auspex + GL. And even then they are closer to equal in speed, if not slower still. "Is the pentration a crutch for me? Obviously not, I just know how to allocate my perks." No one claims it is, so stop making up arguments that no one is making. "This comes off as you got you out done by someone with a grenade launcher, and you got salty about it." no one gives a damn about endgame stats except you. The issue is that when people see a bossfight they want to have fun, not just watch a cutscene of a tactical spamming a GL.

@Gary_The_Metro I'm not making any arguments in bad faith. you're just taking them that way. I've taken on multiple extreme and up enimies as assualt and come out on top, lictors, raveners, nurothrops, terminators, hellbrutes, and sorcerers, ect ect. It may not be about the crowd clearing for you, but it is for me. Each of us plays the game for a different reason. you're just trying to justify taking away someone else's way of playing the game for "your" reason. That's why we pick the classes we pick and go into different playstyles. Some are good at clearing crowds, and others are good at big single target damage. Some are better than others, and I dont expect to be able to compete with Sniper for taking out single targets or competing with tactical in long distance combat or bulwark in soaking damage. My job as assault is to smack the enimies good and hard and tenderize them so it's easier for my teammates to bring them down. Tjat being said I greatly enjoy when there are a ton of enimies, because I can just start spaming my ground slam, killing almost everything majoris and extremis included because the number of minors just regenerates the ability for me. Alot of people still say assault it bad just because they don't know how to play it, same way people are saying tactical with gl is bad because they are just shitty teammates. I can easily get even the largest enimies down to half heath by myself. In this very specific scenario, I do something my class is normal, not capable of doing. Just like tactical, in very specific circumstances that can cause a lot of damage to a small group of enemies, or one very big enemy. Which is part of the tactical role in the first place. Killing things like the hive tyrant isn't remotely hard as any class. Even not having tactical at all, a good team could have it dead in less than 30 seconds. As long as sniper snipes, I assualt, and any other class is doing what they are supposed to be doing.

@@charlesmorton9845 "I've taken on multiple extreme and up enimies as assualt and come out on top, lictors, raveners, nurothrops, terminators, hellbrutes, and sorcerers, ect ect." yeah, and? there's nothing wrong with coming out on top. the issue is trivializing them into just spamming a few GL's. How is this too hard for you to understand? no one is saying "Hey you should simply lose as soon as a group of extremis enemies show up" but there is quite a difference between hitting your headshots, hitting your parries, hitting your perfect dodges, and pressing Q once and spamming left mouse button a few times while looking in the general direction of your target. "My job as assault is to smack the enimies good and hard and tenderize them so it's easier for my teammates to bring them down. Tjat being said I greatly enjoy when there are a ton of enimies, because I can just start spaming my ground slam, killing almost everything majoris and extremis included because the number of minors just regenerates the ability for me." Yeah, which is a specific scenario that only works if the enemy is clustered together and you are given a good opportunity to do so. It's specifically good against hordes of targets with low healthpools. The tactical's GL spam especially when combined with an auspex is good against everything. The tactical's GL spam is something he can do whenever and if he does run out somehow he'll have full ammo again within 30 seconds. And the auspex doesn't have a very long cooldown either. "Alot of people still say assault it bad just because they don't know how to play it, same way people are saying tactical with gl is bad because they are just shitty teammates. " No one is saying tactical with GL is bad. They're saying tactical with GL is overpowered and makes the game unfun to play. This also isn't about assault, which is a very good class. The assault still cannot do anything close to what the tactical can. "Killing things like the hive tyrant isn't remotely hard as any class." correct, but not a single class can solo a hive tyrant in 10 seconds. "Even not having tactical at all, a good team could have it dead in less than 30 seconds. As long as sniper snipes, I assualt, and any other class is doing what they are supposed to be doing" Okay so a complete team optimized towards single target damage can do in 30 seconds what a single tactical can do in 10. And you don't see the issue here? If the single tactical does it in 30 if he absolutely min maxes everything towards damage? sure. More reasonable. arguably still a bit too powerful, but more reasonable. 10? no. The reason I say you're arguing in bad faith is because you are choosing to ignore the issue that people are mentioning and instead hyperfocusing on stats and an illusion of "well other classes are powerful too therefore there can't be an issue with the GL" Even though you know damn well that the GL + auspex is objectively more powerful than literally every other alternative. That's not even an opinion, it simply is. Nothing you can bring to the table in the entire game, compares in raw damage per second.

Haha . In this case, it was Alex (Acebaur). I was tied up with the family when he did this one. ;) ~Bob~

Glad to hear it! Never hesitate to drop comments, questions, or suggestions down here! ~Bob~

Here you go brother assets.warhammer-community.com/warhammer40000_indexes_faqs&errata-eng_16.10.pdf

Or maybe it's a skill issue of people not knowing how to properly sinergies with the teammates they have. This whole video is just him not knowing how to play around and with his teammates.

​@@charlesmorton9845 Oh yeah lets ground slam and get kills for cooldown. *Thunk oh... hey lets execute these 4 warriors and get health armor and cooldown.. thunk. Never mind.. oh boy a extremis. Scan. Thunk x11. Wow what a fight I'm glad I was here as a spectator

If he really wanted to make money, he would just appease the plebs by saying what they want to hear instead of giving his own thoughts. The mental gymnastics that the BRGL defenders have to perform to cope is just unreal lmfao.

Did you ever consider that the people spamming the GL and killing an entire boss in less than 10 seconds could be unfun for other people? It's not like people exclusively use this in private lobbies. "But not at the expense of our enjoyment" you 1 hit killing everything is only fun for you. If I see 4 terminus enemies show up and they are gone before i can even finish my execution animation on a majoris, do you think that's fun for me? or the other squadmate? It's a co-op game. So when one class can ruin the game for the rest of the lobby that's an issue. I don't want to have to kick tacticals by default if I want to actually experience the game's bossfights.

@@Gary_The_Metro Well said!

No they've always been good.

I think Alex was referring to the current iteration of rules for Vanguard Vets. Some armies can use them well, but they take a lot of work to function for us. ~Bob~

Not at all. Just another tool in our tool box. Crusaders and Sword Brethren are still staples of our army.

3 grenades without an auspex, it's the combination of auspex + GL that's the issue. But unless you want to nerf the auspex hard which will affect all weapons not just the GL combo. If you got the right perk setup with an auspex you need 1 grenade to put majoris into executable, maybe 2 depending on your weapon perk setup. And mind you this is any majoris enemy in range of the grenade's explosion, so those 1 or 2 grenades isn't just 1 majoris usually. It's an entire group. If you're using auspex + GL on a boss like the hive tyrant or helldrake, you can get the hive tyrant into his second phase in about 8-10 grenades, and the helldrake you can kill outright with 10-ish grenades. Did you even watch the video? he specifies that it's about the auspex + GL not just the GL.

Also, no every other weapon should not be buffed more to match the BRGL, at that point, Lethal difficulty will be just as easy as minimal. The hardest difficulty should not feel the same as the lowest and if players want that, all I can think of is delusions of grandure and entitlement. Nothing should be so good that it trivializes the hardest difficulty.

Unless someone is trying to be carried it's straight up unfun to have a team mate with this thing. (Well unless they're complete trash)

@@aratay3117 Oh please, stop exaggerating. On Lethal? There are plenty of guns that perform very close to it, or just better for consistent DPS like the plasma weapons, heavy bolter, meltas...

@@thepunisherxxx6804 I don't have issue with plasma/ melta whatever. The grenades pass through your teammates and can stun them for a second while you're locked in melee combat. Auspex scan plus 2-3 grenades wipes out swathes of warriors in a moment. I've seen the helldrake die in one phase with the grenade launcher on lethal. The most aggravating thing is it can wipe out waves before you reach them, and take out extremis in one go. I don't run into that problem with melta's

@@aratay3117 Its not EVERY wave that can happen though, and in those cases I'm happy to have a faster clear. If I'm being realistic, most of my lethal runs are with people under level 10 who die immediately as the run begins. I'm grateful to have even just a lobby of level 25's of any class, let alone a tactical "easily clearing everything". Always plenty more to go around in lethal... Its a PVE game after all and people get tired of the GL. I honestly rarely see it if we have a tactical in the group. Tactical has so many weapon options and while they aren't as powerful, are really fun and get the job done. I do think stunning teammates should be removed, I think that's fair. Maybe it gets slightly less grenades from the magazine on execute perk, but if it does it should come along with more bolter buffs. That's part of the problem the bolter part and bolters in general still aren't very good outside of the stalker bolt and maybe the Instigator bolt carbine.

@thepunisherxxx6804 I've never seen a single person opposed to bolter buffs to be fair. I just want the grenade launcher to be a secondary, I've encountered far too many people that spam it even against minoris the assault was going to ground slam. Or killing warriors that were executable Getting 11-14 ammo every 30 seconds is annoying as hell. If they reduced the ammo gained for the grenades the player would have to save them for more important fights Especially when the perk doesn't automatically give a magazines ammo to the primary automatically. Which reduces the effectiveness of bolters further and incentivizes the cheese tube With the underleveled team mates thing yeah no one sub lvl20 should be in a public lethal game. I'm happy that you've avoided the grenade launcher spam but I certainly haven't

whats the box called, I cant find them anywhere?

@@thecanadiangrizz3171they’re just called “jump intercessors” on the box. Not sure why the name difference, but that’s what was told.

@@thecanadiangrizz3171hope that helps brother

@understandingcontroversy7335 thank you

Can I ask why? I’m new, just started playing in 10th. I was hoping for a VV refresh next edition and thought that their ranged options were pretty interesting. And the storm shields.

@ less points and pretty much hit just as hard, if not more-so when juiced up.

@@Black_Blow_Fly gotcha. Thanks for the reply!

4 grenades without an auspex, it's the combination of auspex + GL that's the issue. But unless you want to nerf the auspex hard which will affect all weapons not just the GL combo. If you got the right perk setup with an auspex you need 1 grenade to put majoris into executable, maybe 2 depending on your perk setup. And mind you this is any majoris enemy in range of the grenade's explosion, so those 1 or 2 grenades isn't just 1 majoris usually. It's an entire group. If you're using auspex + GL on a boss like the hive tyrant or helldrake, you can get the hive tyrant into his second phase in about 7 grenades, and the helldrake you can kill outright with just a single "cleanse" But sure, "balanced"

Yup have had this happen twice, ON LETHAL, what a buzzkill..... Imagine thinking that is "FUN", like why even play the game at that point if you're just gonna skip everything like that.