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@catherinekasmer9905 Ай бұрын
This discussion has made me aware that I-we- need to do something about the horrific atrocity in Gaza. I pay US taxes and so there is a connection. I may not be in charge but I am involved. The asymmetry should be my signal to generate compassion. The fact that I can see asymmetry shows that I wouldn’t want to be in that situation. Perhaps I can only write to my representatives. Maybe I can join an anti-war initiative. Perhaps I can boycott things or reduce income and consumption to minimize my taxes. Maybe I’ll sing some folk songs with others. I think it is important not to use not having complete control as a reason to do nothing. Together we can make changes. I do not believe that the Israeli government can’t be changed. Governments can be changed. We need to change our own in fact. I am grateful for this conversation because I personally do not feel joy knowing others are suffering so greatly unless I acknowledge what’s happening and do something. My personal joy will always be tempered by the suffering of others.
@xiaomaozen Ай бұрын
Great talk! Stephen Fulder is a very, very interesting person. Gonna buy his book... 😅 Thanks and metta to everybody...! 🐱🙏
@DiggintheDharma-qd7jz Ай бұрын
Thanks Xiao Mao, it was nice seeing you in the comments during the livestream as well. 🙏😊
@joannethomson9667 Ай бұрын
This has left me thinking 'never judge a book by it's cover' or 'never judge a mind by it's form' maybe. A form is just a form. And as a beautician, I come across both men and women wanting to keep their youthful form. There's a lot of disappointment when myself and my workplace can't provide the fountain of youth. I work with a spa brand that's loosely based on Ayurvedic principles. I try and draw attention to the benefits of 'balance' when it comes to health and skin. Not that I'm perfect at avoiding the aesthetic side of my job and I have to look presentable each day. But changing my perception about beauty and form hasn't been a bad thing for me personally, I've been happier whilst taking my form a little less seriously or permanently. My form has changed and will continue to change, as does everyone else's.
@xiaomaozen 2 ай бұрын
What Jon mentions in the end, remembering past lives, would indeed be a good topic for another episode. As I see it, remembrance/memory doesn't prove anthing. We can remember "things" that never happened (false memory effect). False memories can even be "placed inside" our minds by other people and/or cultural belief systems etc. So what do memories mean? What is their epistemic status, so to speak? Go for it, guys... 😁🐱🙏 [Edit: typo.]
@smlanka4u 2 ай бұрын
The middle way applies to momentary pain and pleasure. We can try to avoid those feelings to develop equanimity.
@xiaomaozen 2 ай бұрын
The idea of not creating karma reminds me tremendously of the Daoist concept of wu-wei (or: wei-wu-wei). Just thinking aloud... 🙈😂 🐱🙏
@joltee9317 2 ай бұрын
If a non-enlightened person does good deeds with the aim of being reborn in a higher realm where they will have time to practice and attain enlightenment for the benefit of all beings, would this be ego driven and generate sankharas? Or could this be a motivation that's free of ignorance and ego? Sorry for the excessively long sentence
@DiggintheDharma-qd7jz 2 ай бұрын
Doug here, I think it would depend on the case. But traditionally one does not overcome the higher fetters completely until enlightenment.
@xiaomaozen 2 ай бұрын
I try to see it this way: Once upon a time there was a Chinese farmer whose horse ran away. That evening, all of his neighbors came around to commiserate. They said, “We are so sorry to hear your horse has run away. This is most unfortunate.” The farmer said, “Maybe.” The next day the horse came back bringing seven wild horses with it, and in the evening everybody came back and said, “Oh, isn’t that lucky. What a great turn of events. You now have eight horses!” The farmer again said, “Maybe.” The following day his son tried to break one of the horses, and while riding it, he was thrown and broke his leg. The neighbors then said, “Oh dear, that’s too bad,” and the farmer responded, “Maybe.” The next day the conscription officers came around to conscript people into the army, and they rejected his son because he had a broken leg. Again all the neighbors came around and said, “Isn’t that great!” Again, he said, “Maybe.” Maybe it's helpful. Yes, *maybe* ... 😂
@DiggintheDharma-qd7jz 2 ай бұрын
Doug here, yes I was also thinking of that story as well a few days ago. As someone once said, prediction is difficult, especially about the future. 😉
@noahdanielg 2 ай бұрын
The Buddha was no California Liberal, you two would've called him "far-right" Lol.
@jonaaron2800 2 ай бұрын
Well , I'm not not sure where you've coming from but he was hardly "far-right" The Buddha was anti-war, anti-caste, and even evenually got past his resistance to allow women into the Sangha.
@noahdanielg 2 ай бұрын
@ Nonsense Jon, the Buddha stressed natural hierarchy and Varna - not caste - and was decidedly anti-egalitarian. The highest nun in the Sangha is below the most junior monk. As a Kshatryia noble himself the Buddha even gave war counsel to kings. Though admittedly he renounced fighting, Ahimsa should not be confused with pacifism. Sadly, many “Secular Buddhists”, especially the Westerners/Americans, will reject anything in the Suttas that doesn’t reflect a Liberal Progressive worldview and hijack the Dhamma for materialistic political activism and so-called “Social Justice” causes.
@DiggintheDharma-qd7jz 2 ай бұрын
@@noahdanielg Ok sure, so if you want to put the 2500-year-old "sensibility" into the 21st Century context, I'll give you that the historical Buddha might have been considered conservative viewed from today's political lens. The mere fact that any caste was allowed in the sangha (or so we are told) was radical; the mere fact that women were allowed in the sangha was radical. He was astute enough that he had to set parameters so he would not create a crisis in the Sangha, which no doubt was utterly patriarchal. He was the counsel of kings because while they supported the Sangha, they also trusted his counsel. I suspect he was inclined toward avoiding conflict and seeking solutions through means other than war. It seems like you are making a pretty gross assumption about "Westerners/American" Buddhists (secular or otherwise) All this aside, based on the current election results, my response, and likely Doug's as well, at this point, has little to do with Liberal or Conservative but rather the nature of politics as it now is in the US. I'm not sure where you are geographically, but the one thing I think can be said is that the Buddha would not likely have supported Trump. If you want to pull a sutta or two which might imply otherwise, we'd be happy to see it and discuss it in a future show. Anyway, thank you for your comments and observations. Jon PS: I don't consider myself to be a "secular Buddhist". Though I'm not sure how you define that.
@catherinekasmer9905 3 ай бұрын
Thank you for sharing about your anxiety over this moment in politics. I’m experiencing the same thing and struggling with it.
@xiaomaozen 3 ай бұрын
Highly recommended: Bikkhu Anālayo's _Deepening Insight: Teachings on vedanā in the Early Buddhist Discourses._
@DiggintheDharma-qd7jz 3 ай бұрын
Yes we are both fans of Bhante Anālayo's work. Hard to keep up with it! 😄
@xiaomaozen 3 ай бұрын
@DiggintheDharma-qd7jz Haha, indeed! He is so productive... 🙈😹
@pdbowman 3 ай бұрын
Groucho is the perfect closing note for this one. Appreciate you guys!
@DiggintheDharma-qd7jz 3 ай бұрын
Gotta love Groucho! Thanks for the comment. 🙏😀
@xiaomaozen 3 ай бұрын
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@Nikodem-z7e 4 ай бұрын
Why is it exactly that you think that it is important to "get out an vote", especially from a buddhist point of view?
@DiggintheDharma-qd7jz 4 ай бұрын
It's a kind and compassionate act to do what little we can to help ensure that the better of several alternate people come into positions of power.
@Nikodem-z7e 4 ай бұрын
@@DiggintheDharma-qd7jz But isn't it highly unlikely that the person who is so disinterested in politics that needs to be encouraged to vote will make an informed decision? Politicians and media routinely twist the facts or downright lie and it takes considerable effort and research to get to the truth. On top of that, a lot of government actions even if well intended, have disastrous consequences. The person who votes only because someone told them they should is most likely to fall for false promises, mischievious tricks, or vote simply because someone "seems more likeable". Don't you think in would make more sense to discourage people form voting, ban campaigns, flashy advertising and make the elections as dull as possible?
@xiaomaozen 4 ай бұрын
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@xiaomaozen 4 ай бұрын
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@sunderedpsyche4289 4 ай бұрын
Me having to work is really starting to get in the way of watching live podcasts 😅 sorry I missed it
@DiggintheDharma-qd7jz 4 ай бұрын
No worries!
@xiaomaozen 4 ай бұрын
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@xiaomaozen 5 ай бұрын
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@sunderedpsyche4289 5 ай бұрын
Sorry i missed this one live, i was so tired after work i had to sleep.
@DiggintheDharma-qd7jz 5 ай бұрын
No worries!
@xiaomaozen 5 ай бұрын
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@noragraphix 5 ай бұрын
Something I have come to realize in my life is that the more I have lost, the more I have become better at letting go of things that do not last. It's as if the experience of loss allows discernment to arise and choose more carefully which things in life do have lasting value to you as a person. For example, the one thing my father left behind for me as a gift before he passed away was a watch, and what stays with me is not the object itself, but the symbolic meaning behind that final gift of his regarding how fleeting life is without any words, as well as his love for me. The watch, which in this case is an object with sentimental value, can easily get lost or broken, but the deep realization I had through that gesture of his remains with me, guiding my judgment. So, if the watch disappears one day, I will be able to let go of it. I also remember Ajahn Chah speaking about how the Buddha saw the breakable in that which is not yet broken, so when the object finally broke he was not affected given he always saw it the way it was, breakable. Thank you for the talk!
@DiggintheDharma-qd7jz 5 ай бұрын
Wonderful, thanks for your story!
@xiaomaozen 5 ай бұрын
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@catherinekasmer9905 6 ай бұрын
Thank you for this!
@xiaomaozen 6 ай бұрын
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@sunderedpsyche4289 6 ай бұрын
I missed it, sorry gents. I'll catch the next one hopefully.
@DiggintheDharma-qd7jz 6 ай бұрын
You're always welcome!
@BenFletcher7530 6 ай бұрын
Doug, can you please link us to the book you mention @2:58? (Bikkhu Analeo (sp?))
@DiggintheDharma-qd7jz 6 ай бұрын
Ah yes it's posted over at the notes to our podcast, but here it is: Bhikkhu Anālayo, Genesis of the Bodhisattva Ideal - www.buddhismuskunde.uni-hamburg.de/pdf/5-personen/analayo/genesis-bodhisattva.pdf
@xiaomaozen 6 ай бұрын
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@pdbowman 6 ай бұрын
Anyone wondering about the artist Doug & Jon mention without recalling the name, starting about 23:31, I believe it’s Andy Goldsworthy.
@DiggintheDharma-qd7jz 6 ай бұрын
You are correct! We remembered the name after the recording was finished ...
@xiaomaozen 6 ай бұрын
Thank you... 🐱🙏
@xiaomaozen 6 ай бұрын
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@catherinekasmer9905 7 ай бұрын
Thanks for the channel. Nice to put John’s face with his voice! I’m in the Chicago area…. Welcome in advance to John:)
@DiggintheDharma-qd7jz 7 ай бұрын
Great to have you here!
@axsomoutdooradventures 7 ай бұрын
Thank you for the new channel, Doug.
@DiggintheDharma-qd7jz 7 ай бұрын
Welcome!
@gunndlewittlebaum 7 ай бұрын
Thanks for the talk, dudes 😊
@DiggintheDharma-qd7jz 7 ай бұрын
Our pleasure!
@xiaomaozen 7 ай бұрын
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