I think it's the Integral version that has "harder" timings for missions. Funny enough, another user had commented on how much harder it is in that version, and i kinda did an on-the-fly quick run of all the missions in this particular category on the Integral version, just to prove it's more than possible. I'll link it to you, as it's unlisted on my channel, in case you're interested. If you hate people talking/commentary, maybe skip it, 'cause i didn't mute my mic or edit the footage outside of trimming the failed attempts lol kzbin.info/www/bejne/p324o4KjYtmrsJo

@@RedSnake_9 I thought the Integral version was independent of the VR missions, I really appreciate the info since I'm trying to get the moth out of my fingers with RetroAchievements, have a nice day bro.

That's true, sadly. There are some versions that let you press in on one of the analog sticks (i never remember if it's the right stick or the left stick lol) to bring up your weapon without shooting. I think the PS3's HD Collection is the one that doesn't let you, along with the PS Vita version. The Xbox version of the HD Collection lets you for sure, as it's the one i used to record these. I hope the Master Collection lets you do that on every platform, otherwise... yikes.

I've been doing this on the Switch. I found a strat that works for lvl 7. If you peak the first corner and let them see you, all 4 will come to investigate. Just hold them up at the corner as they come. The second set of guards are all lured with one knock on the wall - most other levels I've been able to use your strats. I'm at 99% now with all gold. Just have to do a couple more hold ups and the 3 variety missions and it's done.

@@tenacious645 No problem! I'm glad these still help some people out, it was the whole point of posting them. Thanks for the kind words! :D

You hold down the shoot button, which should be square on Playstation controllers or X on Xbox controllers, and while you hold it, you also hold the button you use to get down on your knees to start crawling, which is X on Playstation controllers or A on Xbox controllers. Hold them down together and you can walk while shooting/aiming.

Oh wow, it's been 9 years? *tries not to panic*

Well, that giant health bar has gotta be good for something! Thanks for the nice words, by the way! :D

Agreed. I wish they thought about it and added an alternative way for every version, so no one has to suffer. Also, thanks for the nice words! I'm glad i could help! :D

I'd say it's more trial and error than luck. Once you get the right spot to knock on the wall, then it just becomes a matter of execution. It's surprisingly consistent. Although, the way i actually beat it in this attempt was... not what I was going for. In other successful attempts, the guard was better positioned and it looked less coincidental that i wouldn't be seen when applying the C4 on their back. I was just trying to optimize the timing a little, so i gave it a few more good attempts when... this run happened. It was too funny to not use lol

After some trying i did other strategy (one that took a looooong time) but worked Thanks for the video it helped to understand the level And so cool even after 10 years you answer comments

@@FelipeFurlan-cd7ez I'm glad it helped, that's exactly why i decided to put these missions on KZbin. These are by no means the only or even the best strategies you can use to beat them, but they can help or inspire someone to get to their version of the right way for them. I try my best to answer comments when i can, even though this isn't my job and it's more of a personal/passion thing, i like to interact with people who decide my stuff is worth their time. Even if it's just to say thanks or give a small explanation. :D

In theory, this successful attempt of mine should've been a failure. I walked up too far to the guard so they turned around when I stuck the C4 to them, but for some reason the wall's corner saved me from being seen. It was so lucky and unique that I had to leave that in and accept it. The mechanic is the same after all, I just didn't get punished for messing it up lol

@@RedSnake_9 I saw them turn in your attempt 'cause I just kept rewatching it to see what I was doing wrong and I started thinking I needed to knock in just the right place so that the wall would block their vision when they turned lol

I think when this came out, games on console were just starting to figure out how to FPS. I guess it makes sense that i feels like they had no idea, because they probably actually didn't, back then.

Lol right? I think it takes about the same time to roll off and stand back up as it takes to do a full 3 piece combo and then walk off. Plus, i was frustrated i missed the triple, only hitting the two targets behind me for some reason. I was gonna re-do it, but then i got first place anyway. Some levels are just meh enough that if i get first place, I'm ok with it looking sloppy. Others I'll replay until i get them down to a science.

Thanks! ❤ I don't love Weapon Mode, but some levels like level 5 here, I either liked the way they were set up, or I got so close to getting the right "path" on the first couple tries that I thought "might as well try to get it as close to perfect as I'm ok with". I gotta say, rewatching it now, it's pretty satisfying.

If you're playing on PS3, the way you aim your gun without actually firing is by not pressing the square button all the way in. That's if you still have a genuine PS3 controller with (or a compatible one that still has) pressure-sensitive face buttons. You press it halfway in to raise your gun, all the way in to shoot. I'm assuming you fail because you press it all the way in and the gun fires, alerting the enemies. If you can't gradually press the shooting button a little harder, little by little, until you raise the gun without firing, you probably have a compatible PS3 Controller without those pressure sensitive buttons, and I think you just can't do those missions.

@@RedSnake_9 thank so much it actually work I’m very close to the platinum ❤

@@redfox917 Happy to help! :D

It's not the integral version, it's the regular. What do you mean not possible? If you're holding a C4 you'll face the wall when taking cover, however if you start moving alongside it, Snake will turn and put his back to it. That's just an "older game" thing.

@@RedSnake_9 wtf you are right, the master collection version has a shitty analog adaptation, i was only able to do this with the d-pad. and thanks for the video, i was smashing my head to complete mission 09

I did hear that the Master collection still has some "minor" problems with the analog sticks, so that's not entirely on you. Glad I could help! :D

There are two types of people: those who love the sniping mission, and those who hate it.

You have so much health, the fastest way is to tank and destroy lol

I got my platinum for MGS1 on the Master Collection.

@@anojahs29 Let's go! Nice job! :D

Comments like this make my day. It's weird for me to hear myself called a KZbinr, I'm just a dude that happens to love gaming and sometimes put some of that gaming here. It surprises me every time to see that people actually watch these and even find them helpful. Congrats on the platinum, and thanks! :D

@@RedSnake_9 I’ve seen plenty of your videos you are like the best of the best.

@@anojahs29 Aw, thank you! :D

Maybe they'll do it if MGS resurrects with the Remake and all that.

@@RedSnake_9 They should. It would sell

I don’t get it. I attach it to the guard and he sees me immediately.

@@Tomweldonsays yeah it takes a really delicate touch. Don't give up, you'll figure it out.

Yeah, i've tried a few different strategies, but I always ended up taking longer than just going alert + lethal. Maybe you can find the perfect pattern to make it work with non-lethal given enough time, but after a few tries I just decided it was enough and that this worked better anyway.

Thank you, thank you. :D

It's funny, because that's the fun part to me. I see it as a puzzle game: you're given a stage and some tools and you have to find the fastest/most efficient way to solve it. In a weird way, it's never been "can i beat it?" for me, just "how well can I beat it?". I'm also apparently one of the few people who's never found MGS controls to be problematic, or clunky or whatever. Biggest problem I've ever had was playing these with a half busted controller. I think in some of the Weapon Mode missions, if you pay attention, you can see me fight against analog drift to aim at targets lol

@@RedSnake_9 I totally understand. But then on the other hand, I prefered the more puzzle-like approach of the original MGS VR missions more, where you had a specific task and had to figure out how to do it (I'm specifically talking about the "Puzzle" variant). To me MGS2 VR missions often feels like I'm running against a consecutive set of walls head first and trying to figure out where the individual weak spots are, but that's probably because I easily get frustrated with trial-and-error-like approaches. Eventually I get there, but I just doesn't feel as rewarding as when you solved a puzzle. Mabye I'm just growing too impatient with some games as I grow old, which makes me appreciate your video guides even more! If you even managed to get the highscore with a busted controller, then you have my utmost respect. By biggest issue with the controlst is mainly the aiming. It's better in MGS3, but especially in MGS2 it's too sensitive and it's very difficult to carefully aim at a far-away target. It's even worse so on the PSG1. I do have some fond memories of my older brother playing MGS2 and me watching him back in the days and I did beat the game on the master collection several times since it came out, including extreme, but especially the PSG1 section I something I always dread.

@@Dragonfyre137 You do have a point with MGS1's feeling more puzzley, but I don't think it's as stark of a difference. It's less consistent in MGS2 and there's also more missions, so you go from a great puzzle mission to less inspired designs and i think that's when you notice it most. Maybe you are right and it's a problem of patience, though. Modern gaming has kinda destroyed that, sometimes I also find myself rushing things in games I don't fully 100% love, but any minute spent in MGS or in a Resident Evil game figuring out a boss battle... that's where my fun is. As far as the aiming goes, that's the only thing I agree with the controls being "old". Not being able to change the sensitivity of your aiming in 2024 is kinda painful. You either get used to it or not, there's no alternatives. I'm lucky and I've spent so many hours in these games, that even not playing for years after playing a bit it just comes back to me, like riding a bike. It's muscle memory.

Let's see. We have 15 stages for sneaking, and that has them 4 times (no weapon, no weapon time attack, socom, socom time attack, and we're at 60. Then weapon mode has 8 weapons, 5 missions each, normal and time attack, so that's 80 more. We're at 140. Advanced mode is the same as Weapon Mode, that's 80 more, which brings us to 220. Then we have 9 1 min battles (8 weapons, plus no weapon) vs target and 9 more vs enemy, taking us to 238. 8 vs 12 battles, so 246. Mystery is 10, 256, Puzzle is 10 as well, 266, Variety is 13, 279, there's one VR Mission, 280, Ninja has 3 missions, 283, and NG Selection has 8 more for a total of 291. So your count is right. I guess they count the VR Missions on the main game's disc too. The normal 10 would be enough to go over 300, but those also have time attack mode, and gun shooting mode, for a total of 30 extra missions, plus the one Survival Mode (all gun shooting mode missions in one go) taking the total to 322.

@@RedSnake_9 MGS VR Missions was sold separately from MGS1, so they can't count those. It's 291 minus 110 practice missions, for a total of only 181 unique missions. They lied and gypped us. But they later made up for it with 511 Substance missions, even though many are repetitive.

Nevermind it helps to read

Thank you! :D

No problem! It always feels cool to think that someone actually finds these useful! :D

That's weird, what platform are you playing on?

@@RedSnake_9 Xbox x. Doesn’t matter now anyway. I got to 85%, which is all I wanted for the ninja missions.

@@dakota3049That's still kinda weird, but hey, if it works for you... Just in case, you're holding A while you aim/shoot with X, right? I feel like this should be a bigger deal if it's a thing for everybody. I don't have the collection yet, so I don't know if it's a known issue or not.

@@RedSnake_9did not know about holding A lol. Didn’t think about that button since it makes you crouch.

@@dakota3049 Yeah, older games aren't exactly known for their straightforward controls lol

Yeah, the aiming with an AR is so weird. I remember back in the PS2 days, i had the pressure sensitive spot saved in my muscle memory and could do it probably better than the L3 version now. I probably can't do it anymore, so I'd have to get used to it too, but man, I can't remember the last time i used a pressure sensitive controller, it may have actually been on the PS2, unless the PS3's sixaxis had them too, I honestly can't remember. Just keep trying, eventually you'll figure it out. Once you get accustomed to it, the only thing stopping you is timing and execution, and that should be even faster to get right, especially if you can replicate someone else's strats like mine in this video, for example. Good luck! :D