An amusing home experiment but for actual use - Jeez...just buy a gauge. You can do the check with a single gauge if you cannot afford a multi-gauge set.
@lukeschaeffer25512 жыл бұрын
Tough to see if those hoses go to the bottom of the bottle or if they are an inch above?
@eliaszepeda85613 жыл бұрын
What did you use for fluid ?
@tombair14013 жыл бұрын
That's pretty cool but at 28 bucks on ebay I'm glad I didn't go to all the hassle to build that
@MeatsackMiracle3 жыл бұрын
#2 is your control carb that you should be basing your measurements from, at least on my 1978 cb750
@6sigmajetkit4 жыл бұрын
If you use 2 cycle oil as your Synchronize fluid, getting some in the engine is not a problem. We include instructions for this in our Jet Kits. www.6sigmajetkit.com/
@michelgilormini27095 жыл бұрын
L mec s'est fait vraiment chier pour sa réalisation type USINE à gazs.
@runsolomon6 жыл бұрын
Damn it please tell me where to get the brass fittings
@kingsemo6496 жыл бұрын
hi with me, the cylinder 3 is always empty, whether I turn on the screw, in or out, it remains empty. all others are in the same height only the 3 remains empty what should I do
@lantasreskdr6 жыл бұрын
pertamax ;v
@TikkaQrow7 жыл бұрын
You should use transmission fluid or 2 stroke oil instead of water. That way if any gets sucked into the engine it'll just burn off.
@chilo314167 жыл бұрын
Interesting video. I wonder if using taller skinnier bottles would make it more accurate.
@edstastephenson93867 жыл бұрын
I think it would work better if you tap off the bottom of the bottles so it automatically levels itself
@Alien9377 жыл бұрын
Can't be as accurate as a set of Morgan gauges, I think I'll stick with something more accurate
@rickjames30344 жыл бұрын
probably more accurate than gauges to be honest, as long as all the hoses are the same length and bottles are the same size, how can there possibly be any deviation?
@nancybazan2487 жыл бұрын
Hi, what liquid did you put? I'm from Argentina, greetings
@hooseyad4ddy6947 жыл бұрын
what kind of liquid is used? does it not matter??
@destroylonely7777 жыл бұрын
Dad
@CM-ec5jh7 жыл бұрын
I put mine together and I got water going straight through the number four carb. I have the line on number two vaccum line with a Tea to the bottle and vaccumm to the xj 750 tank. Craig
@concrete9818 жыл бұрын
I just built one and tried it on my 1100 vtwin. THE 2 PLASTIC BOTTLES SUCKED IN, OR SQUISHED. IF I USED GLASS BOTTLES WOULD THEY EXPLODE.
@madclown2029x8 жыл бұрын
Nope. The reason glass is used is because it will maintain it's shape under the relatively minor pressure generated by the carbs. Plastic is too weak, which is why you can deform a plastic bottle with your lungs. So basically, use a glass bottle.
@1jamesmimi8 жыл бұрын
nice 👏👍👌
@rran54158 жыл бұрын
hi i have a question.before starting do i need to make sure that all the fluid levels are at the same level ? i know that when balancing the level doesn't matter but at the beginning do i need to use same amount of water in all 4 bottles ? thx
@BlizzardHockey44328 жыл бұрын
Is this a cb? Or an xs?
@kcorbings5508 жыл бұрын
GS 550 :)
@lesleywoodward29907 жыл бұрын
BlizzardHockey4432 h
@aterack8338 жыл бұрын
this will be so helpful, thank you, i knew there must be a method that takes the cylinder differences into account not just the carbs them selves, and depending on your accuracy to read the level this would be the most accurate way you could measure things, larger diameter bottles would increase the accuracy would they not? i would think the more fluid it takes to affect the level the more accurate it would be but it would take longer to see the differences take affect, you could make two, one with small bottles for the base adjustment then much larger ones for the fine tuning, also any leak would affect things, but you could do a pressure or vacuum test to make sure you have no leaks, i applaud you in your efforts and your video, i assume this has an affect on fuel efficiency? do you have any other tips besides ride style to increase the bikes efficiency? i know weight is one but how much does that really affect it? and chain and bearings should be another, but what is the best to get?
@haxto16 жыл бұрын
or you could just splice a used jet into each line (each jet must have the same orifice size opening) thereby reducing the volume of the fluid needed to effect observable change reducing the amount of vacuum needed to effect change. It just makes the device much more sensitive than using the full tube diameter, thats like swinging a tree as a fly swatter. Any little tube or reducer you can insert into the lines (remember ALL of them must be equal in I.D.) will do the the job.
@ergner8 жыл бұрын
How can carbs air-fuel adjust?
@killer26008 жыл бұрын
That sounds more like a how do carbs work question and the internet can answer that query. Simple answer is the various needles and jets control the air/fuel mixture ratio.
@rico13b8 жыл бұрын
"Just stick it in your mouth and suck."
@maxims.7628 жыл бұрын
Why did you connect 1th bottle with the 4th bottle? thnx
@maxims.7628 жыл бұрын
+Maxim S. mean is it enouhg to connect just 1&2 2&3 3&4 with tubes without the "reservoir"?
@kcorbings5508 жыл бұрын
+Maxim S. Functionally, yes, it is the same, but it makes it easier to fill the tubes with fluid and keep air out.
@maxims.7628 жыл бұрын
+kcorbings550 Thnx man!
@chyeong25189 жыл бұрын
Really cool and practical idea. Cheap to make. It maybe more sensitive than the 4 individual vacuum gauges.as you are comparing all 4 cylinders relative to each other in one go. Get a great sense of achievement as a DIYer
@photography.naturally57609 жыл бұрын
I'm curious how you make the adapters. I know you say specific to bike make/model, but how do you make yours? I have heard of using hex head cap screws and drilling thru them, but that seems like a lot of work?? I'm curious if there is more simplistic way?
@kcorbings5508 жыл бұрын
+Photography.Naturally I used hex cap screws drilled through, with brass tubing pieces soldered to the head.
@jeffmech6009 жыл бұрын
wouldn't 4 vacuum gauges work better?
@RoaldvanDijkenHOT9 жыл бұрын
jeff i These do the same as any other manometer, perhaps even better since the deviation is minimal (assuming there are no air leaks). But this just cost around $10.- instead of $80.- for a set of gauges. Plus you have the satisfaction of being a DIY king. What I do miss in this video is at what rpm he does it and there's no warning for overheating air cooled engines while doing this.
@kcorbings5508 жыл бұрын
+Roald van Dijken The RPM for syncing depends on the motorcycle model so always check your manual. This was between 1500 and 2100 RPM. Usually it will be slightly above idle. As a general warning, yes, always use a fan with air cooled engines when doing extended tuning sessions.
@killer26008 жыл бұрын
The 4 vacuum gauges would have to be calibrated to each other and have the same response curve but yes you could use 4 vacuum gauges if they were good quality and able to be calibrated. It's not really ideal because such gauges are expensive and sensitive. You have to really dampen the vacuum fluctuations otherwise the gauge needles will be wildly bouncing making them hard to accurately read and hard on the gauge itself.
@BasicPoke4 жыл бұрын
Comercial dial vacuum gauges may not be accurate enough. You would not know the accuracy. For example one could be reading 5% high, another 5% low. With a fluid, it is perfectly accurate. The commercial ones with mercury would be nice, but expensive.
@jackavery25549 жыл бұрын
just get a Carbtune or Motion Pro, less headache easier to figure out
@seanhenderson86939 жыл бұрын
Has anybody tried this on the keihin fcr flatslides?? I know on the keihin carbs it's critical to get your idle circuit balanced correctly as the idle adds onto the total fuel flow of your mains at W/O/T But they also have the adjustable air bleed under the ram tubes ontop of the carb, if you adjust the air bleeds will it show the same in the manometer as adjusting the idle mix screws?
@jorgecanale666010 жыл бұрын
La traducción de You tube a cualquier idioma, es un desastre universal!... no se entiende nada de nada!!!
@jorgecanale666010 жыл бұрын
Digo, y si te comprás un manómetro no gastarás menos combustible, estuviste media hora acelerando para poder dejar los carburadores mas o menos como corresponde.
@ComandanteJ8 жыл бұрын
+jorge jimmy Canale ...un manometro decente (uno que no empiece a saltar por toda la escala haciendo de su uso un calvario) cuesta bastante mas dinero que la gasolina extra que se gaste respecto a este metodo.
@Klazudid17 жыл бұрын
jorge jimmy CANALE
@trondwell1310 жыл бұрын
the empty bottles AND TUBES self fill once the vac is balanced more
@kcorbings5508 жыл бұрын
+Dan Barclay Great point: once a bottle goes dry, it is possible to just keep running and open up another carb more to pull enough fluid back into the dry one. Preferably not your original reference lowest vacuum cylinder.
@trondwell138 жыл бұрын
And I have never found such an accurate stable method where you can hear all the cylinders come in on song exactly according to the readings - unlike gauges that merely get close. Whilst not having to go to any great lengths checking the accuracy or setting up.
@RogerBarraud6 жыл бұрын
Extra points if you can come up with a method to eliminate the set-screw backlash so it's not as frustrating as... :-)
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@Ihavetruth2210 жыл бұрын
His explanation isn't that great. still good vid. there are others out there.
@climbamtn11110 жыл бұрын
Great idea! I'm curious, if you can increase and decrease vacuum, don't you want max vac for max hp? In this case you would want max values on all cylinders. I can see where a digital readout would much better in that case. OR (afterthought) Are you simply adjusting the balance of vac pressure?
@Docv40010 жыл бұрын
Carb Balancing is done to get the Vacuum between Cylinders to the same level at idle. You're basically synchronising the Carb Butterflies (in CV carbs), or the Slides (in Slide Carbs), so they all open exactly the same amount, for any given throttle position. A Water manometer will be more accurate than Mercury Vacuum Gauges or Dial types. You're not altering the Vacuum produced, you're just comparing between cylinders.
@trondwell1310 жыл бұрын
max vac is probably at full throttle.....this isnt about max vac this is about getting to all suck the same amounts at tickover and doesn't affect power or max flow etc at full throttle
@trondwell1310 жыл бұрын
John Doc. - balance at idle only - anything more is speculative
@BuffMyRadius10 жыл бұрын
At idle the throttle's butterflies (or slides on older carbs) are limiting how much air can get into the intake track so the vacuum will be high. When you pull the throttle the butterflies open, allowing more air into the intake track and the pressure comes up closer to atmospheric pressure. Because valves always open the same amount (in non-variable valve lift/timing engines) it is the job of the throttle body to essentially "hold back" the engine by restricting the available air. Worn engines can actually be synced at idle and then come out of sync as they are revved because one cylinder is flowing better then others, usually due to dirt on intake valves. This isn't really an issue though as you tune each carb to its own cylinder. Syncing is really only important at idle because each cylinder is operating at the very bottom of its performance potential where any error means that a cylinder might not be getting any air at all and it won't be able to fire at idle.
@trondwell139 жыл бұрын
Shed Man - Synced carbs probably move the same weight of fuel air mix.....the needles/pilots adjust the ratio of fuel to air. There is NO such thing as a PROPER sync gauge. I guess though you are referring to a damped diaphragm and spring gauge or a flow meter with damping - both of which leave the factory on Monday nominally reading some fictitious absolute air pressure measurement . By Tuesday, still in their packages they will no longer read the same nor again on the wednesday......too many variables eg phases of the moon, position of the tides, density of air, moisture content, internal friction, spring constants, damping rate, frequency response - to name but a few.......in other words NO WAY accurate. Ask yourself how an engine can suck blow bang on 720 degrees and the meters are set to give a steady reading....So why bother having 2 or 3 or 4 gauges when the only thing you hope to read is differential pressure Today. Tomorrow of course they will all be out of sync again as no carb will be linear and identical to its partner - the sun has only got to shine on the opposite side of the bike on the way home.....You make assumptions of what carb affect what in a group - so what when they are different (and all firing at different times)? You are only interested in getting them nominally the same on a day at tickover - the rest of the time it does not make one hoot of difference..... Your last line is a truism - as carbs usually share the same airbox
@almoriescholtz296710 жыл бұрын
thank you for sharing. tried your method, however I struggled my ass off.... got a zzr 1100 c model. system worked fine just could not set up the sync process, due to number 1 keeps on sucking the plastic bottle and squashing it and number 3 keeps on sucking dry. I then went back to the bench set up and bike sound good and perform good. however I would like to know what I am doing wrong. please help.....
@trondwell1310 жыл бұрын
airleak? carbs are way out of balance - you have to adjust the highest bottles down as well as the lowest bottle up
@NotamechanicMark9 жыл бұрын
Almorie Scholtz FYI, if you have a high performance vehicle you can eliminate many problems using glass bottles instead of plastic.
@danielsabatinelli10 жыл бұрын
i use 2-stroke motor oil instead of water or gas, i like it because its viscus and non-volatile
@trondwell133 жыл бұрын
but viscous causes the fluid to climb the edges of the tube making it harder to read - it also slows the reaction of the fluids=inaccurate
@trondwell1310 жыл бұрын
"I would use gas" - Funny - I am only disappointed you said check it against a "bought" system - it is because of the inaccuracies, random damping of the shop systems that I go to a manometer particularly when the damping is a single common system shared. Thus you have no need to wonder if the damping is the same.
@RicFlair333310 жыл бұрын
How did you keep the bottle stoppers from popping out of the bottle? I used Snapple bottles, and had a hell of a time keeping the stoppers in place. However, thanks for the idea. Mine worked great.
@RogerBarraud6 жыл бұрын
It's sucking, not blowing.
@gellum10 жыл бұрын
I'm not sucking anything!
@trondwell137 жыл бұрын
you dont need to - just adjust the carbs till they level
@AlienationIsReal6 жыл бұрын
Thats not what your boyfriend told me.
@trondwell1311 жыл бұрын
nice one - was going to make my own on a different principle but now need to study yours. you did well to let the revs rise - last time I did this I managed a check at 4000 revs without overheating and balancing at the likely average revs was a very satisfactory result. If anyone tries this or another design - note that individual damping (x4) will adversely affect your results (i am guessing yours isnt)
@Tr1pMind11 жыл бұрын
i tried using plastic waterbottles today, they do NOT work, flex way too much lol glass bottles are a must
@sinsilius11 жыл бұрын
You can find them in car parts stores, various connectors are used for window washers.
@guaporubio11 жыл бұрын
Ingenious device! I was in despair because of the difficulty in finding a gauge type synchronizer. They are expensive and only appear to be available through the internet. Hence shipping charges too. Thanks for posting this money saving brilliant solution.
@milkweed72811 жыл бұрын
thanks for the vid it took me a few min to figure out how to assemble it but i figured it out thanks and keep up the good work.
@mattohley11 жыл бұрын
Awesome setup bro! I was about to drop @ $100 on some vacuum gauges and ran across this. Seems very accurate and inexpensive. Thanks a bunch for taking the time to post this!
@liviociaralli926111 жыл бұрын
Quick question - I just bought 4 vacum gauges for 9 bucks a piece. There is no water involved with the units, Just the meter and the tube. The box says its a manometer and its gauged . Why wouldn't it work if you are just measuring/adjusting air pressure from each cylinder. As long as they all read basically the same, and the bike runs well, wouldn't that be considered that they are synced. Just askin and if yes, a lot simpler and no chance of liquid aspiration