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@buskman3286
@buskman3286 Жыл бұрын
An amusing home experiment but for actual use - Jeez...just buy a gauge. You can do the check with a single gauge if you cannot afford a multi-gauge set.
@lukeschaeffer2551
@lukeschaeffer2551 2 жыл бұрын
Tough to see if those hoses go to the bottom of the bottle or if they are an inch above?
@eliaszepeda8561
@eliaszepeda8561 3 жыл бұрын
What did you use for fluid ?
@tombair1401
@tombair1401 3 жыл бұрын
That's pretty cool but at 28 bucks on ebay I'm glad I didn't go to all the hassle to build that
@MeatsackMiracle
@MeatsackMiracle 3 жыл бұрын
#2 is your control carb that you should be basing your measurements from, at least on my 1978 cb750
@6sigmajetkit
@6sigmajetkit 4 жыл бұрын
If you use 2 cycle oil as your Synchronize fluid, getting some in the engine is not a problem. We include instructions for this in our Jet Kits. www.6sigmajetkit.com/
@michelgilormini2709
@michelgilormini2709 5 жыл бұрын
L mec s'est fait vraiment chier pour sa réalisation type USINE à gazs.
@runsolomon
@runsolomon 6 жыл бұрын
Damn it please tell me where to get the brass fittings
@kingsemo649
@kingsemo649 6 жыл бұрын
hi with me, the cylinder 3 is always empty, whether I turn on the screw, in or out, it remains empty. all others are in the same height only the 3 remains empty what should I do
@lantasreskdr
@lantasreskdr 6 жыл бұрын
pertamax ;v
@TikkaQrow
@TikkaQrow 7 жыл бұрын
You should use transmission fluid or 2 stroke oil instead of water. That way if any gets sucked into the engine it'll just burn off.
@chilo31416
@chilo31416 7 жыл бұрын
Interesting video. I wonder if using taller skinnier bottles would make it more accurate.
@edstastephenson9386
@edstastephenson9386 7 жыл бұрын
I think it would work better if you tap off the bottom of the bottles so it automatically levels itself
@Alien937
@Alien937 7 жыл бұрын
Can't be as accurate as a set of Morgan gauges, I think I'll stick with something more accurate
@rickjames3034
@rickjames3034 4 жыл бұрын
probably more accurate than gauges to be honest, as long as all the hoses are the same length and bottles are the same size, how can there possibly be any deviation?
@nancybazan248
@nancybazan248 7 жыл бұрын
Hi, what liquid did you put? I'm from Argentina, greetings
@hooseyad4ddy694
@hooseyad4ddy694 7 жыл бұрын
what kind of liquid is used? does it not matter??
@destroylonely777
@destroylonely777 7 жыл бұрын
Dad
@CM-ec5jh
@CM-ec5jh 7 жыл бұрын
I put mine together and I got water going straight through the number four carb. I have the line on number two vaccum line with a Tea to the bottle and vaccumm to the xj 750 tank. Craig
@concrete981
@concrete981 8 жыл бұрын
I just built one and tried it on my 1100 vtwin. THE 2 PLASTIC BOTTLES SUCKED IN, OR SQUISHED. IF I USED GLASS BOTTLES WOULD THEY EXPLODE.
@madclown2029x
@madclown2029x 8 жыл бұрын
Nope. The reason glass is used is because it will maintain it's shape under the relatively minor pressure generated by the carbs. Plastic is too weak, which is why you can deform a plastic bottle with your lungs. So basically, use a glass bottle.
@1jamesmimi
@1jamesmimi 8 жыл бұрын
nice 👏👍👌
@rran5415
@rran5415 8 жыл бұрын
hi i have a question.before starting do i need to make sure that all the fluid levels are at the same level ? i know that when balancing the level doesn't matter but at the beginning do i need to use same amount of water in all 4 bottles ? thx
@BlizzardHockey4432
@BlizzardHockey4432 8 жыл бұрын
Is this a cb? Or an xs?
@kcorbings550
@kcorbings550 8 жыл бұрын
GS 550 :)
@lesleywoodward2990
@lesleywoodward2990 7 жыл бұрын
BlizzardHockey4432 h
@aterack833
@aterack833 8 жыл бұрын
this will be so helpful, thank you, i knew there must be a method that takes the cylinder differences into account not just the carbs them selves, and depending on your accuracy to read the level this would be the most accurate way you could measure things, larger diameter bottles would increase the accuracy would they not? i would think the more fluid it takes to affect the level the more accurate it would be but it would take longer to see the differences take affect, you could make two, one with small bottles for the base adjustment then much larger ones for the fine tuning, also any leak would affect things, but you could do a pressure or vacuum test to make sure you have no leaks, i applaud you in your efforts and your video, i assume this has an affect on fuel efficiency? do you have any other tips besides ride style to increase the bikes efficiency? i know weight is one but how much does that really affect it? and chain and bearings should be another, but what is the best to get?
@haxto1
@haxto1 6 жыл бұрын
or you could just splice a used jet into each line (each jet must have the same orifice size opening) thereby reducing the volume of the fluid needed to effect observable change reducing the amount of vacuum needed to effect change. It just makes the device much more sensitive than using the full tube diameter, thats like swinging a tree as a fly swatter. Any little tube or reducer you can insert into the lines (remember ALL of them must be equal in I.D.) will do the the job.
@ergner
@ergner 8 жыл бұрын
How can carbs air-fuel adjust?
@killer2600
@killer2600 8 жыл бұрын
That sounds more like a how do carbs work question and the internet can answer that query. Simple answer is the various needles and jets control the air/fuel mixture ratio.
@rico13b
@rico13b 8 жыл бұрын
"Just stick it in your mouth and suck."
@maxims.762
@maxims.762 8 жыл бұрын
Why did you connect 1th bottle with the 4th bottle? thnx
@maxims.762
@maxims.762 8 жыл бұрын
+Maxim S. mean is it enouhg to connect just 1&2 2&3 3&4 with tubes without the "reservoir"?
@kcorbings550
@kcorbings550 8 жыл бұрын
+Maxim S. Functionally, yes, it is the same, but it makes it easier to fill the tubes with fluid and keep air out.
@maxims.762
@maxims.762 8 жыл бұрын
+kcorbings550 Thnx man!
@chyeong2518
@chyeong2518 9 жыл бұрын
Really cool and practical idea. Cheap to make. It maybe more sensitive than the 4 individual vacuum gauges.as you are comparing all 4 cylinders relative to each other in one go. Get a great sense of achievement as a DIYer
@photography.naturally5760
@photography.naturally5760 9 жыл бұрын
I'm curious how you make the adapters. I know you say specific to bike make/model, but how do you make yours? I have heard of using hex head cap screws and drilling thru them, but that seems like a lot of work?? I'm curious if there is more simplistic way?
@kcorbings550
@kcorbings550 8 жыл бұрын
+Photography.Naturally I used hex cap screws drilled through, with brass tubing pieces soldered to the head.
@jeffmech600
@jeffmech600 9 жыл бұрын
wouldn't 4 vacuum gauges work better?
@RoaldvanDijkenHOT
@RoaldvanDijkenHOT 9 жыл бұрын
jeff i These do the same as any other manometer, perhaps even better since the deviation is minimal (assuming there are no air leaks). But this just cost around $10.- instead of $80.- for a set of gauges. Plus you have the satisfaction of being a DIY king. What I do miss in this video is at what rpm he does it and there's no warning for overheating air cooled engines while doing this.
@kcorbings550
@kcorbings550 8 жыл бұрын
+Roald van Dijken The RPM for syncing depends on the motorcycle model so always check your manual. This was between 1500 and 2100 RPM. Usually it will be slightly above idle. As a general warning, yes, always use a fan with air cooled engines when doing extended tuning sessions.
@killer2600
@killer2600 8 жыл бұрын
The 4 vacuum gauges would have to be calibrated to each other and have the same response curve but yes you could use 4 vacuum gauges if they were good quality and able to be calibrated. It's not really ideal because such gauges are expensive and sensitive. You have to really dampen the vacuum fluctuations otherwise the gauge needles will be wildly bouncing making them hard to accurately read and hard on the gauge itself.
@BasicPoke
@BasicPoke 4 жыл бұрын
Comercial dial vacuum gauges may not be accurate enough. You would not know the accuracy. For example one could be reading 5% high, another 5% low. With a fluid, it is perfectly accurate. The commercial ones with mercury would be nice, but expensive.
@jackavery2554
@jackavery2554 9 жыл бұрын
just get a Carbtune or Motion Pro, less headache easier to figure out
@seanhenderson8693
@seanhenderson8693 9 жыл бұрын
Has anybody tried this on the keihin fcr flatslides?? I know on the keihin carbs it's critical to get your idle circuit balanced correctly as the idle adds onto the total fuel flow of your mains at W/O/T But they also have the adjustable air bleed under the ram tubes ontop of the carb, if you adjust the air bleeds will it show the same in the manometer as adjusting the idle mix screws?
@jorgecanale6660
@jorgecanale6660 10 жыл бұрын
La traducción de You tube a cualquier idioma, es un desastre universal!... no se entiende nada de nada!!!
@jorgecanale6660
@jorgecanale6660 10 жыл бұрын
Digo, y si te comprás un manómetro no gastarás menos combustible, estuviste media hora acelerando para poder dejar los carburadores mas o menos como corresponde.
@ComandanteJ
@ComandanteJ 8 жыл бұрын
+jorge jimmy Canale ...un manometro decente (uno que no empiece a saltar por toda la escala haciendo de su uso un calvario) cuesta bastante mas dinero que la gasolina extra que se gaste respecto a este metodo.
@Klazudid1
@Klazudid1 7 жыл бұрын
jorge jimmy CANALE
@trondwell13
@trondwell13 10 жыл бұрын
the empty bottles AND TUBES self fill once the vac is balanced more
@kcorbings550
@kcorbings550 8 жыл бұрын
+Dan Barclay Great point: once a bottle goes dry, it is possible to just keep running and open up another carb more to pull enough fluid back into the dry one. Preferably not your original reference lowest vacuum cylinder.
@trondwell13
@trondwell13 8 жыл бұрын
And I have never found such an accurate stable method where you can hear all the cylinders come in on song exactly according to the readings - unlike gauges that merely get close. Whilst not having to go to any great lengths checking the accuracy or setting up.
@RogerBarraud
@RogerBarraud 6 жыл бұрын
Extra points if you can come up with a method to eliminate the set-screw backlash so it's not as frustrating as... :-)
@shoaibsworld8893
@shoaibsworld8893 10 жыл бұрын
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@Ihavetruth22
@Ihavetruth22 10 жыл бұрын
His explanation isn't that great. still good vid. there are others out there.
@climbamtn111
@climbamtn111 10 жыл бұрын
Great idea! I'm curious, if you can increase and decrease vacuum, don't you want max vac for max hp? In this case you would want max values on all cylinders. I can see where a digital readout would much better in that case. OR (afterthought) Are you simply adjusting the balance of vac pressure?
@Docv400
@Docv400 10 жыл бұрын
Carb Balancing is done to get the Vacuum between Cylinders to the same level at idle. You're basically synchronising the Carb Butterflies (in CV carbs), or the Slides (in Slide Carbs), so they all open exactly the same amount, for any given throttle position. A Water manometer will be more accurate than Mercury Vacuum Gauges or Dial types. You're not altering the Vacuum produced, you're just comparing between cylinders.
@trondwell13
@trondwell13 10 жыл бұрын
max vac is probably at full throttle.....this isnt about max vac this is about getting to all suck the same amounts at tickover and doesn't affect power or max flow etc at full throttle
@trondwell13
@trondwell13 10 жыл бұрын
John Doc. - balance at idle only - anything more is speculative
@BuffMyRadius
@BuffMyRadius 10 жыл бұрын
At idle the throttle's butterflies (or slides on older carbs) are limiting how much air can get into the intake track so the vacuum will be high. When you pull the throttle the butterflies open, allowing more air into the intake track and the pressure comes up closer to atmospheric pressure. Because valves always open the same amount (in non-variable valve lift/timing engines) it is the job of the throttle body to essentially "hold back" the engine by restricting the available air. Worn engines can actually be synced at idle and then come out of sync as they are revved because one cylinder is flowing better then others, usually due to dirt on intake valves. This isn't really an issue though as you tune each carb to its own cylinder. Syncing is really only important at idle because each cylinder is operating at the very bottom of its performance potential where any error means that a cylinder might not be getting any air at all and it won't be able to fire at idle.
@trondwell13
@trondwell13 9 жыл бұрын
Shed Man - Synced carbs probably move the same weight of fuel air mix.....the needles/pilots adjust the ratio of fuel to air. There is NO such thing as a PROPER sync gauge. I guess though you are referring to a damped diaphragm and spring gauge or a flow meter with damping - both of which leave the factory on Monday nominally reading some fictitious absolute air pressure measurement . By Tuesday, still in their packages they will no longer read the same nor again on the wednesday......too many variables eg phases of the moon, position of the tides, density of air, moisture content, internal friction, spring constants, damping rate, frequency response - to name but a few.......in other words NO WAY accurate. Ask yourself how an engine can suck blow bang on 720 degrees and the meters are set to give a steady reading....So why bother having 2 or 3 or 4 gauges when the only thing you hope to read is differential pressure Today. Tomorrow of course they will all be out of sync again as no carb will be linear and identical to its partner - the sun has only got to shine on the opposite side of the bike on the way home.....You make assumptions of what carb affect what in a group - so what when they are different (and all firing at different times)? You are only interested in getting them nominally the same on a day at tickover - the rest of the time it does not make one hoot of difference..... Your last line is a truism - as carbs usually share the same airbox
@almoriescholtz2967
@almoriescholtz2967 10 жыл бұрын
thank you for sharing. tried your method, however I struggled my ass off.... got a zzr 1100 c model. system worked fine just could not set up the sync process, due to number 1 keeps on sucking the plastic bottle and squashing it and number 3 keeps on sucking dry. I then went back to the bench set up and bike sound good and perform good. however I would like to know what I am doing wrong. please help.....
@trondwell13
@trondwell13 10 жыл бұрын
airleak? carbs are way out of balance - you have to adjust the highest bottles down as well as the lowest bottle up
@NotamechanicMark
@NotamechanicMark 9 жыл бұрын
Almorie Scholtz FYI, if you have a high performance vehicle you can eliminate many problems using glass bottles instead of plastic.
@danielsabatinelli
@danielsabatinelli 10 жыл бұрын
i use 2-stroke motor oil instead of water or gas, i like it because its viscus and non-volatile
@trondwell13
@trondwell13 3 жыл бұрын
but viscous causes the fluid to climb the edges of the tube making it harder to read - it also slows the reaction of the fluids=inaccurate
@trondwell13
@trondwell13 10 жыл бұрын
"I would use gas" - Funny - I am only disappointed you said check it against a "bought" system - it is because of the inaccuracies, random damping of the shop systems that I go to a manometer particularly when the damping is a single common system shared. Thus you have no need to wonder if the damping is the same.
@RicFlair3333
@RicFlair3333 10 жыл бұрын
How did you keep the bottle stoppers from popping out of the bottle? I used Snapple bottles, and had a hell of a time keeping the stoppers in place. However, thanks for the idea. Mine worked great.
@RogerBarraud
@RogerBarraud 6 жыл бұрын
It's sucking, not blowing.
@gellum
@gellum 10 жыл бұрын
I'm not sucking anything!
@trondwell13
@trondwell13 7 жыл бұрын
you dont need to - just adjust the carbs till they level
@AlienationIsReal
@AlienationIsReal 6 жыл бұрын
Thats not what your boyfriend told me.
@trondwell13
@trondwell13 11 жыл бұрын
nice one - was going to make my own on a different principle but now need to study yours. you did well to let the revs rise - last time I did this I managed a check at 4000 revs without overheating and balancing at the likely average revs was a very satisfactory result. If anyone tries this or another design - note that individual damping (x4) will adversely affect your results (i am guessing yours isnt)
@Tr1pMind
@Tr1pMind 11 жыл бұрын
i tried using plastic waterbottles today, they do NOT work, flex way too much lol glass bottles are a must
@sinsilius
@sinsilius 11 жыл бұрын
You can find them in car parts stores, various connectors are used for window washers.
@guaporubio
@guaporubio 11 жыл бұрын
Ingenious device! I was in despair because of the difficulty in finding a gauge type synchronizer. They are expensive and only appear to be available through the internet. Hence shipping charges too. Thanks for posting this money saving brilliant solution.
@milkweed728
@milkweed728 11 жыл бұрын
thanks for the vid it took me a few min to figure out how to assemble it but i figured it out thanks and keep up the good work.
@mattohley
@mattohley 11 жыл бұрын
Awesome setup bro! I was about to drop @ $100 on some vacuum gauges and ran across this. Seems very accurate and inexpensive. Thanks a bunch for taking the time to post this!
@liviociaralli9261
@liviociaralli9261 11 жыл бұрын
Quick question - I just bought 4 vacum gauges for 9 bucks a piece. There is no water involved with the units, Just the meter and the tube. The box says its a manometer and its gauged . Why wouldn't it work if you are just measuring/adjusting air pressure from each cylinder. As long as they all read basically the same, and the bike runs well, wouldn't that be considered that they are synced. Just askin and if yes, a lot simpler and no chance of liquid aspiration
@kcorbings550
@kcorbings550 11 жыл бұрын
I added a list in the video description above.