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@danielinnes4150
@danielinnes4150 18 күн бұрын
When I put my one ahead the lever goes forward and both shafts turn same rotation but on ahead the gears don't engage unless I turn outlet by hand?
@Cacheola
@Cacheola 5 ай бұрын
Thank you. Just purchased a c34mk2 with a noisy tranny. Figure I'll re&re it when I've got it out for the new damper plate. This is very helpful
@prestonwright7404
@prestonwright7404 8 ай бұрын
Great Job putting this together! It was a huge help! I watched it 10 times at least during the rebuilding process of my HBW 100. Like you, I'm pretty sure the reason it slipped was due to the thrust washers being worn. Clutches seemed ok but replaced all of them. The shims 53,54,55,56 were all on the reverse side of the shifting actuator. None on the FWD side. It has been worked on before, so I don't trust they are in the right place. Just getting ready to press it all back together.
@moltzvt
@moltzvt 6 ай бұрын
Hope the rebuild went well. I just pulled my unit out again and I think I will be replacing the forward thrust washer again? I have a second transmission as well that I will rebuild and keep as a spare. Good luck
@RTBosch
@RTBosch 9 ай бұрын
TRANSMISSION IS HBW-10 NOT HWB..
@RTBosch
@RTBosch 9 ай бұрын
hello moltzvt, seriously thanks for this posting. Great to see about US and German ingenuity ! This is a very helpful vid and conserves existing HURTH installations.
@PauloRoberto-lc8kk
@PauloRoberto-lc8kk 10 ай бұрын
Quanto litros de óleo bota nela
@michaelgill4157
@michaelgill4157 11 ай бұрын
Thank you for the great video, I'm having trouble finding an exploded view or diagram of any kind for a hurth hbw 250, I saw nothing on the Foley site you mentioned, have any suggestions you can offer? I'm trying to replace warn disc's also. Thank you
@84Rabbitz
@84Rabbitz Жыл бұрын
Do you happen to remember the thickness of the forward thrust washer? Im hoping i can get a higher quality one from McMaster Carr
@moltzvt
@moltzvt 11 ай бұрын
Sorry, I do not have the thickness, I have one on the bench but not planning to rehab it until later this winter.
@geraldwolf7280
@geraldwolf7280 Жыл бұрын
The seals on the caps are 0.3 mm. If you omit the gaskets you have to use a total of 0.6mm less spacers on each shaft.
@yonaburdge9790
@yonaburdge9790 Жыл бұрын
The hurth 10 and 100 have different specs. I replaced the 10 with a ZF12m and it was perfect.
@bernigabriello9994
@bernigabriello9994 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing. Having same Problems with equal gearbox. The clicking noise in neutral gear is confusing me. Shouldn't this be quiet?
@davidmoulton8098
@davidmoulton8098 Жыл бұрын
I agree there should no no noise in neutral.
@bernigabriello9994
@bernigabriello9994 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing this great Job. Greetings from La Gomera
@buldoreno5421
@buldoreno5421 2 жыл бұрын
Hi thanks for the video! Do you have to take your boat out of the water to take it out? Just to know if I can do the same coz I have the same problem. Kr Antoine
@lisamoulton8004
@lisamoulton8004 Жыл бұрын
No, this work can be done in the water as long as you can slide the prop shaft aft enough for uncoupling
@haydenwatson7987
@haydenwatson7987 2 жыл бұрын
Great video. I benchmarked this years ago and have a friend you is thinking about trying it. I tried to get to the link you listed at 10:39 but it did not work. Can you post a link to the manual?
@moltzvt
@moltzvt 2 жыл бұрын
Send me a note on my gmail address and I can send you the manuals. [email protected]
@sailthesevenseas9683
@sailthesevenseas9683 2 жыл бұрын
Good work fella My issue seems less daunting now😀
@eedrissalau646
@eedrissalau646 2 жыл бұрын
Sorry how can I know more better about this engine do you have a school
@davidmoulton8098
@davidmoulton8098 2 жыл бұрын
Sorry, I don’t visit the site very often. The transmission is on a Perkins 4-108, a 50 HP diesel in my sailboat. I am just a do it yourself guy and there was not much info available when I did my repairs so decided to add this video.
@mostlysailingnz
@mostlysailingnz 2 жыл бұрын
I know I'm repeating others but thank you for posting this video and leaving it online years later. Many of us still have these gearboxes and your video is a great help in understanding how simple an overhaul job is - and how the transmission works.
@davidmoulton8098
@davidmoulton8098 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Fritz, when I did my repairs I could not find much information so I decided to post what I learned as I know there are thousands of these transmissions still in service. I’m happy that it helped. In
@martindevries8234
@martindevries8234 2 жыл бұрын
STOP!!!! You mixed up the spacer ring and inner race for the needle bearing of the forward gear!! This is very important!!. First the sim's, than the spacer and finally the needle bearing.
@timmolesworth3471
@timmolesworth3471 3 ай бұрын
yes I copied the video woops frustrating the rest of video great.
@sebastienlaurin2168
@sebastienlaurin2168 3 жыл бұрын
HWB 10 Is not the same as the HWB 100, Hurth Vs ZF branding as far as I can tell. HWB 100 is the ZF10M though
@marcusbennetoft5473
@marcusbennetoft5473 3 жыл бұрын
Was the thrust washer included in the kit?
@knese123
@knese123 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. Rebuilding a Hurth 360 my self, but can not find out if the special nut is supposed to be torqed to any spesific spec? You skipped this part in the video
@ElectronicMarine
@ElectronicMarine 3 жыл бұрын
at the 17 min i was yelling: stooooppp the needle bering is on the other way around... :(
@supermanking8811
@supermanking8811 3 жыл бұрын
Would you happen to still have the blowen up diagram of the assembly of the shafts?
@Inlovewithsailing
@Inlovewithsailing 3 жыл бұрын
The last part of the assembly of the output shaft is incorrect. It’s the shims, spacer and then the needle roller race. I’ve checked the manual just to confirm.
@ancientheart2532
@ancientheart2532 4 жыл бұрын
Thiis a job for East Coast Marine Lot more involved than just replacing parts. Last thing you want is to go thro this and have it fail one year out at an inoportune time!
@gregcostanzo4724
@gregcostanzo4724 4 жыл бұрын
Great detail! thank you for putting this together!
@adelrajab9636
@adelrajab9636 4 жыл бұрын
Can you direct me to Jonathon in DR's video?
@joshjones9878
@joshjones9878 4 жыл бұрын
thinking of buying a press to tackle this myself - how many tons is needed for the press pls? tks
@markbailey6051
@markbailey6051 3 жыл бұрын
I may use a bottle jack because I am a gluten for punishment.
@ibuchioce
@ibuchioce 4 жыл бұрын
pretty good marine gear box and good explanation what is the gear ratio ? input rpm to output rpm? plz mention the ratio thanks
@davidbowes5915
@davidbowes5915 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for posting, very helpful.
@pavelstrnad2231
@pavelstrnad2231 4 жыл бұрын
Hello, perfect video, thank you! But, please, why do you apply the sealing between the halves of cover? In my original gearbox is nothing (it is anomalous, but true nothing). .. P.S. old Hurth HBW 10-2R = newer Hurth HBW 125 = new Hurth ZF 12 M (about internet repair manual (?))
@zebigbos122
@zebigbos122 5 жыл бұрын
Really nice! Thank yoU!
@moltzvt
@moltzvt 5 жыл бұрын
Hope you found it useful
@zebigbos122
@zebigbos122 5 жыл бұрын
Ith Hurths
@grahamhaire9636
@grahamhaire9636 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for taking the time to make this. I've got some slipping in my gear box and was interested in seeing how the gear works. Your video really helped me.
@moltzvt
@moltzvt 5 жыл бұрын
Hello, I posted this video when I did my transmission because I could not find a similar video to help me. I hope you find it useful. I am not on this site on a regular basis so if you have a question I will try and answer it as best I can. Might be best to email me [email protected]. I am not an expert but a person who made a repair just like you all.
@josecarlosreino5298
@josecarlosreino5298 5 жыл бұрын
Great video. please could I make a question?. I replaced the inboard diesel engine of my sailboat for one That has a ZF gearbox 2x1, an old model from late 80´s, but a kept the same propeller wich is left handed and now when I move the control forward the boat goes backwards so if I want to go forward I have to move the control to reverse, and somebody told me that I should change the propeller because that gearbox was made for rigth handed propeller and I could not use like this because the gears of the reverse are weaker than the ones that goes forward. So what I see in your video is that they are exactly the same and I should only change the position of the cable on the control system. Does the zf gearbox for inboard engines works like this one? Am I right or I should replace the propeller? I will be greatful to hear an answer from you.
@moltzvt
@moltzvt 5 жыл бұрын
Jose, I am not an expert but I do recall looking into the cooler that can be bolted on the side of the transmission. I was told you only need the cooler if the transmission is run in the reverse mode all the time as you say. there is an idle gear on that side that allows reverse and this would add heat. For shore duration runs I think you would be OK. Might be easier to change the prop as you mention. Do be sure to change the dampening plate, i do believe this causes transmission issues when it fails. Hope this helps.
@MichaelDorgan0
@MichaelDorgan0 5 жыл бұрын
the reverse gear on the ZF gear box is much different and is operated by a chain
@sergerobitaille2214
@sergerobitaille2214 5 жыл бұрын
Great video, this has me wondering why the 2 bronze trust washer had so much wear ?
@moltzvt
@moltzvt 5 жыл бұрын
A diesel engine like the Perkins 4-108 has an uneven thrust curve when at idle or low RPM. In other words, each time it fires the rotation jumps or increases slightly. I have seen problems in large diesel engines as well that are allowed to idle too much. The dampening plate mounted between the engine and transmission smooths out the thrust. When the dampening plate gets old the peaks in thrust are transferred to the transmission, the thrust washer, even when in gear, slips a fraction to dampen the torque. Every time it slips the washer begins to wear until failure.
@rickbrown9523
@rickbrown9523 5 жыл бұрын
Great video. So after you installed the spacers correctly the forward mainshaft gear and the forward input shaft gear lined up, correct? I noticed they didn't in the video prior to your first assembly.
@SL1CK1307
@SL1CK1307 6 жыл бұрын
Do you know where I can get the shifter cover assembly? I have been looking everywhere but no luck. Thanks
@moltzvt
@moltzvt 6 жыл бұрын
est bet would be to post you need on an active site like to Recreational Marine Diesel Engine Maintenance & Repair Discussion Group or all things sailing. There are people with non serviceable transmissions that might sell the cover.
@danhaffar
@danhaffar 6 жыл бұрын
Hi thank you so much for showing us all how to make a rebuild. After a long trip home I start getting this noise in forward gear and it looks like the neutral gear shaft? Is loose? I would be grateful if you could take a look on my video and give your thoughts on what wrong and what to fix. Any help is much appreciated! First part is in neutral the reverse and forward at the end of the clip. kzbin.info/www/bejne/pJiXnIGioNmJgdU
@captboatman
@captboatman 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your time in making this video!!! My trans just started slipping, after watching your vids I am thinking I have a shot thrust washer. I will be tackling the rebuild myself after watching!
@moltzvt
@moltzvt 6 жыл бұрын
Let me know how it went.
@sailingsaramin
@sailingsaramin 3 жыл бұрын
I am doing the same now! Am thinking of doing a video as well
@coenvanwyk1
@coenvanwyk1 6 жыл бұрын
You would not have the dimensions of the thrust washers by any chance? The box I am rebuilding, although said to be working, has no thrust washers, only shim washers. I can order from the USA but given transport costs and insecurity through African mail would rather make bronze washers myself. If I can find the dimensions.
@moltzvt
@moltzvt 6 жыл бұрын
Sorry to miss your note, I have one at home and will measure it up.
@bendegroot8234
@bendegroot8234 Жыл бұрын
@@moltzvt can you post the dimensions from thrust washer?
@moltzvt
@moltzvt Жыл бұрын
@@bendegroot8234 I will look tonight and see if I still have an old thrust washer. If I do I will post the measurements.
@philipfry5859
@philipfry5859 7 жыл бұрын
I have rebuilt several Hurth boxes.Warming the inner bearing sleeve is recommended by Hurth.However I dont think it makes a lot of difference but does go on easier.Personal choice I suppose..
@Houdi2
@Houdi2 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video. I replaced my Hurth HBW100 transmission with a new PRM120, which is 1 1/2" longer than the Hurth and so forced me to move the engine forward by 1" (on my Catalina 36). So I now have a Hurth core that I need to figure out what to do with.
@moltzvt
@moltzvt 5 жыл бұрын
Did you ever get rid of that core? I might be interested in a purchase.
@Houdi2
@Houdi2 7 жыл бұрын
Where did you purchase the replacement parts?
@sailingcal
@sailingcal 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the videos, gave me confidence to rebuild my HBW-10. One question, the drawing that I'm using shows two sets of shims 53,54,55,56. Upon disassembly, I only have 3 shims on the forward gear side of the gearset and absolutely none on the reverse gear side. I've dry fitted the gears into the two housings and everything works. Just curious if the shims and number of shims are variable based on differences in the parts dimensions. Wondering if I ought to disassemble it (again) and add the same number to the side that is missing them? Once again thanks for the videos. Btw, it's been a year now, do you have any post scripts? Best regards, Scott
@moltzvt
@moltzvt 6 жыл бұрын
Sorry for the late reply, as you likely have figured it out that the shims are just for bearing end play and if there were none the end play was correct without.
@mickwilcox1216
@mickwilcox1216 7 жыл бұрын
Hi - the nut holding on the output flange requires a special tool - this costs a lot. I used a BMX Freewheel Removal tool which cost me £5. The nut was very tight and required an impact driver to undo. The clutch friction and driven plates, thrust bearings and seals for the Hurth HRB10 fit the Kanzaki KBW10. The Kanzaki is the gearbox I worked on (to fix slipping clutch on forward drive), My parts came from ASAP -Supplies. The main difference between the Kanzaki and Hurth gearboxes is that the case doesn't split on the Kanzaki. I also had to replace the output shaft taper bearings which were just standard bearings available from bearing suppliers. You need a puller with a good reach and I used a press to get it all back together. boatinfo.no/lib/gear/manuals/hurth-5-10-20.html explains the Hurth - I never found a Kanzaki manual (but didn't look very hard).
@sytiki7400
@sytiki7400 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. I have a 250hsw and it is secular for me to get a feel for a similar box.
@johnmcgillycuddy5696
@johnmcgillycuddy5696 7 жыл бұрын
Hi there ,, can u tell me is the Hbw 10 2r , the same as the Hbw 100 2 r ,, thanks
@sailingcal
@sailingcal 7 жыл бұрын
From the manuals that I have the HBW 100 is equal to the ZF-10 M and is lighter duty than the HBW-10 which is equal to the ZF-12 M. Both are covered in the same Hurth/ZF Service Manual.
@JohnSmith-ck4fv
@JohnSmith-ck4fv 7 жыл бұрын
Seems to be 2 options for parts mfgrs--ZF (formerly Hurth) and Alto, less expensive, a US company that makes clutch parts. Any opinion as to the quality of either product?
@RTBosch
@RTBosch 9 ай бұрын
it hurts to not to replace HURTH w ZF or refurbish it 🙂