The issue with the MBTI is that the results of where you fall on any of the four categories are binary. This creates a scenario where individuals generally find their results to be less representative and thus useful the closer to the centerline they score. This results in the assessed personality types for those individuals being of marginal value for them, or any other figure attempting to use that information for any practical purpose. I say this as an INTP that finds the results and archetypal description to be very accurate. It's also worth noting that I consistently score no lower than 80% in any function. So the obvious corollary to a midline score being marginally representative is that scores closer to the extreme ends will be more representative.

It’s almost a disability to be extremely gifted. I scored in 99 percentile in third grade. Two to three grades advanced, but there I was stuck in a class with a teacher who liked to pick on my penmanship. Later, the IQ test showed 145. Ironically, I was in principal’s office for setting a trash can accidentally on fire. (Lit a match and got caught and subtly dropped it) I had to pry the test score out of him. The best that I could do in school was get all the necessary credits and then take study halls in excess to read what I wanted to read. I did drugs. I skipped school but never got caught. When I had a son, he was gifted and skipped a grade. Now he has three kids. I crack sophisticated jokes with my two yr old grandtwins and they get the jokes. That sparkle is twinkling away in their eyes. I only hope they get out of standard classrooms because it is hard to find academic peers and deal with less than gifted authority figures. These kids have a gift and they’ll likely be seen as dangerous. Luckily, I worked through my pyromania and drug use and at 61, appreciate my abstract agenda. I just want the best for my progeny.

I was considered gifted as a child. I went from the English learner program in kindergarten to testing at college level I'm English the following year. I was leagues ahead of my peers. However being an undiagnosed adhd child I was told over and over that I was lazy although I never failed one test in my life I was held back from skipping grades due to my inability to do homework. Now as an adult I've had to learn to look back at my past and accept I was and even now could be gifted. I became an emt without studying, I finished a 3 month dialysis training in 1 week yet I constantly feel like im less than in all areas

I was a little bit curious as to why someone would suggest going to a baseball game wasn't a cultural pursuit. A play is written largely by one person's mind, interpreted by performers for an audience, which may largely have subjective, myopic, or inaccurate interpretations on the state of the human condition. I live in Hollywood, most art is bad and made ignorant unhealthy people who aren't interesting in reading Tolstoy or Doestoyevsky and dislike the Beatles. A baseball game will have people from all walks of life, of different backgrounds, who come together to observe and event that largely has a consistent set of rules and chances. The decisions of the athletes and coaches can generally be analyzed very concretely, and there's almost always going to be considerable discourse, both by professional writers and by the masses about the events that transpired. If a person was truly interested in the human condition, and position (the degree of progress being made) I think your odds are considerably higher at the ball game. I understand that this video was released several years ago, but I really couldn't help myself.

This is absolutely fascinating! So happy to have found you Linda!

There is no gifted in a morally or ethically bankrupt civilization.

Competition is the cheapest strategy, it kill us all. It make us inherently poor, like our world, void and burned. It's the way of failure. If not for us, else... and else is what we need to live in the first place. Getting beyond competition is another dimension, true path of evolution. What we're totally unable to do, blinded by our primitive mind. We're doomed. Even if we try to invest our conscient mind to cooperation, our unconscious will sabotage it. While in the mean time we've build a worldwide system specifically meant to serve our primitive trait, capitalism. So not only our unconscious set us up to fail but we've no better to do than support and serve consciously and unconsciously, or passively (hostage, ignoring or/and educated for, by media) a systemic failure. So the only skill we need in this life is mourning of Life itself, while it is effectively dying under our boots. Humanity has failed it's evolution process. Hell is the promesse we've made to our children. Humanity is the agent of life failure on Earth. There is no gifted and gift, there is a world burning, hell deploying. There was another way to relate to the world, devoid of competition. Devoid a psychic regression, aggression abuse. A paradise to be. But hell is now our way. Gifted people doesn't exist, our world is dying while evolution want to continu but can't.

I had episode in my life where i was considering how people could process all the different activity they do just to live, functional. And i was overwhelmed, i could not withstand to all the information from social interaction mostly, they were so costly to me. Leaving me in such doubt of myself, filling alien. I had so much feeling, i was seeing so much thing, it was unbearable. And i withdraw from life completely for many years, all my life in fact. ( sound really like overfocus, i could not be just part in social interaction but completely in, everything else disappear) Today trying to live again. A therapy begin which is for me just about having positive interaction, still feeling alien and in doubt but i hope i'll be able to live out a bit. I've done a whole diagnostic of my situation and for the world outside. If it can be heard maybe it's not true, if not it is ! Humanity has failed it's evolutionary process. Hell is the promesse we've made to our children. Humanity is the agent of life failure on Earth.

Absolutely well described 👏

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This is an excellent framework. I have struggled with managing all five of these overexcitabilities my whole life. It’s great to have a new way to think about this.

Well now I feel seen! Here's my story, perhaps other gifted people will recognise themselves in it. It's way too far out for most people. kzbin.info/www/bejne/mKa5f4t_hs-Sibs

The comments are reassuring in that clearly I am not alone in this.

Super interesting history, really brave women. I think we would understand this group of children as high masking autism/ ADHD now. There is no way these ladies could have known that then. The observations they made are bang on. In the UK the gifted in terms of products agenda was never taken down and in the end the whole idea of gifted programs went.

The difficulty with gifted programs in my country (we don't have them anymore) was that they got filled with people who achieved in the way schools liked. Good memory, good executive function people went to these programs. These young people were told they were like Einstein, then got very stressed out and kept up their top marks. The children who were really difficult thinkers might do very badly in school and never got near gifted programs.

I want to see if this applies to me… I’m not a child anymore but I always look back into my childhood and see if I was “gifted”

Overexcitbility. Who coined that term. What it is is positive energy when channeled properly can be used in the most positive ways. Some people I know would give their right arm for my energy. Entraprenour magazine said that energy is 85% of the dynamic. If you don’t have it, they said do something like catering to people or you won’t get ahead.

A gifted adult: what is sad is when your own gifted won’t help you when I was functioning but bankrupt from trauma emotionally. A few words or presence would have done it. Trust you?

@23:09 I propose that sometimes anxieties and fears in those who are gifted can be caused by an experience due to overexcitability, but can fade as time goes on - especially in children whose brains are still developing. For example, I majorly have probably all the overexcitabilities, and when I was 4 years old, my parents made the mistake of taking me on a roller coaster. My 3-year-old half-sister and cousin LOVED it and were laughing & having fun the whole time. I, however, once we made it to the top of the first hill on the roller coaster, decided that being on it was NOT a good idea, so with 1 foot off the coaster car, I almost jumped off the thing without realizing I would die or be harmed, being that I was only 4 years old. My aunt grabbed me just in time and we finished the ride. For weeks or months after that, whenever I was riding in a car and we went over a hill, I would freak out crying and screaming, still with the memory of the roller coaster in my mind. That event had spurred fear and anxiety because my overexcitabilities caused me to experience being on the roller coaster so much more intensely than everyone else, and my little brain was too overwhelmed, but after some weeks or months, they went away and I never had a problem - and my parents learned to never take me on a ride like that ever again, lol. I ended up loving roller coasters as a teenager though. I think gifted children especially, due to not having a fully developed brain yet, can get overwhelmed by such things. As an adult - I am now 47 years old - I've learned how to stay grounded, embrace what I'm feeling, and ride any waves of emotion. I never feel anxious unless it's for good reason, and it passes when I address the root cause of it, and I never feel depressed - and that's not because my life hasn't been challenging, that's for sure. I 100% agree with you that overexcitabilities are a blessing. I am grateful I get to experience the world so intensely and beautifully.

I feel so understood, listening to this video.

When I was in kindergarten, I could read pretty well. One book I really enjoyed (because it was the only book I could find around my house since my parents weren’t American) was Diary of a wimpy kid. Even at that age I realized people don’t want others to talk about how they did a thing, they see it as bragging. When someone asked if I could read, I would say I could read, even long books like diary of a wimpy kid! They would always say, “really?” Or something that sounded like “can you though?” Mostly adults, since kid really aren’t thinking about that that young. Knowing this, when my 6th grade buddie asked what my favorite book was during the first ‘buddie system’ day, I said a basic kids book that I recently listened to. I don’t really know why that was stuck in my mind, but it sort of described my entire elementary years when I was worried I’d come off as arrogant and downplayed achievements. I held the impression I didn’t believe in myself, so everyone else did too.

Spiritually gifted? or not… I was five when I was taken to sunday school and right away I spotted how fake and pretentious the whole thing was. I was totally mystified as to why adults would tell such obvious lies to small children and even more shocked at the fact that adults would either believe or pretend to believe in other not to be outcasted and be part of a community that practiced the same ritualls and share the same prejudices and superstitious beliefs. I suffered from depression for the first time at nine years old (I didn’t want to take my first communion but I was aware that I could not do anything about it) and the second depression at 14 (this time was totally devastating because I truly believed that I should be able to choose not to go ahead with “confirmation”). I cannot deal with inauthentic people .I never had a problem seeing the world and people for who they really are. But it seems that in order to be part of society you have to constantly play games and engage in exhausting chit chat. Religion is a social construct Religions are created by humans to control and keep other humans in their place. To me it is very clear that the very fact that you are a human being, your purpose in life is to help others if you can and make other people’s experience of life around you, as pleasarable as possible. I find it very worriying that even children’s giftidness is used as proof of adults’ beliefs in a social construct.

This lady confuses truth/fatcs with illusionThere is no such ting as habving too much energy, ADHD and workaholics are not strong, but weak, becuase of biochemichal imbalances and various issues.

MAybe Big Five could be a useful tool (Excvuse me, JB Peterson), had it been more nuanced and unambiguous as well as more exact than it is, as well as having a parameter for health, state and situation. And maybe a parameter also for whethere one should answer according to one's real, normal personality, the typical, - or according to effects of harm upon harm, trauma upin trauma, dire need upon dire need, gone one for very long and still goingon. BIG difference from having a functional situation and everyday life.AND one should be able to see all Qs whenever wished, to see whether a Q turns up later in a different, better way. there are too few choices, and toosuperficial questions, where I don't fit in and get anxious wanting to be precise and honest . And some thinsg tdepends on how one thinks, what is meant.

Holding kids accountable is extremely bad when the rules they're being held accountable for following aren't rational and the so-called authorities holding them accountable aren't legitimate. Those things cannot be taken for granted. Being well-adapted to a profoundly sick society is not mental health.

0:52 visual spacial arent disorganized. Theyre differently organized

36:30 question time 41:26 if I see giftedness, I know what I'm seeing 55:20 asynchronous child is a gifted child. Asynchronous development

0:49 hostility towards people we think are more advantaged (gifted) in the race to success 3:06 Cole Creek Canyon, Colorado 5:42 Gifted demonstrate outstanding levels of aptitude, in top 10% in 1 or more domains 6:23 emminent people 9:10 Lita Hollingworth 12:16 differentiated education (for gifted) 14:25 exceptionality 17:45 intelligence, clever, passionate. Intense, curious, autonomous, creative, sensitive, emotionally rich, original, multi-faceted, complex, 22:47 we don't have sams amount of abstract reasoning ability 26:12 giftedness requires accommodations to develop optimally 27:27 "if you're always trying to be normal, you'll never know how amazing you can be"

I have a question. Can we say that all with overexcitabilites are gifted?

This has been the first presentation that has accurately protrayed my experiences, internal and external, eloquently. I'm in my early 40s now, and from my childhood to today, this presentation illustrates the experience clearly. I will be picking up your book (mentioned elsewhere in the comments), to go through. Thanks for analyzing this (us), and presenting the clear picture. May this lead to greater understanding. Cheers.

I'm torn on this content. Most of my family members fall into the gifted spectrum. On the one hand, I can definitely gain some important insights into our behaviors and personalities. On the other hand, NO gifted family member has all these traits - and in some cases the opposite of these generalizations is true. I'd say they're possible patterns, rather than hard-and-fast rules.

This is wonderful support for homeschooling your gifted learner. An education that is tailored to individual strengths and weaknesses is such a blessing.

So interesting that she pleades for academia not to put down other people's work, only to continue by bashing the big 5 theory. Thank you for an interesting lesson never the less.

Great presentation. So I hate to criticize it but I'm really surprised she never mentioned Autism or the term Neurodiversity. I know this video is from almost 8 yrs ago so maybe that's why... And only brief comments on ADHD. So much of what she talked about can also be explained by understanding the characteristics of neurodiversity- especially Autism and ADHD.

She made me laugh so many times. She mentioned the vulnerability, now I am crying. Thank you!!!!

Fascinating so much learned hopeful this would be helpful for our boy.

My IQ is currently 128. I'm intrigued to see the variation in a retest. I do have neurodivergence & can see my IQ or cognitive abilities vary even by the time of day. I am also highly prone to typos which gives a false impression. I've benefited greatly by meeting others. I'd love those extra 2 points)

I like the definition of asynchronous, it has a lot of meaning for me & I can see it in my kids. The issue is - "special needs" resources are reserved for the lower IQ, academically underachieving individuals. I have the diagnoses Autism & ADHD, but I'm almost certain, it's just asynchrony. My working memory cannot keep up with the rest of it. It's hard to hold my attention just with a position of authority (teacher etc). It definitely required different parenting & education but I only discovered these things in adulthood, probably triggered by the desire to support my kids. Being labelled as different (whichever learning difference), is hard in itself. I still feel alien, although the company is very welcome.

I cannot tell you how my this relates to me… happy to be in the Netherlands and happy to contribute as a test case. kzbin.info/www/bejne/maW8h3yPnMyFnMksi=kyYRmOveVHKq-Uvi

I stopped at around 12 minutes when it got supernatural

Fantastic! Mentioning the love of learning and the need for growth, that curiosity and excitement in discovery. The mentioned senior citizens who are unable to feed their active minds because of physical limitations of aging was a horrible prospect, to be infantilized and trapped in your own head, that would be a nightmare. I will have to think on this more for solutions. To die of boredom in a prison of the mind is a terrible way to go, that’s similar to solitary confinement in prisons.

Thank you so much for pushing back against the tendency of people to see gifted people as tools to use for productivity rather than as people first. The hatred shown towards gifted people has much to do with social hierarchy needs people have combined with the conformity requirement to keep from triggering anger. It is essential for gifted people to, especially children to have access to gifted adults and their experiences.

I’d like to know, if a child has passed the test successfully and got into the “gifted students class “ ( at age 8), should I be sure that they are gifted? Could they just pass this test without being gifted? How can I check it out?

Brilliant "Too Much". Labelled gifted, sensitive, highly creative, emotional but good nervous regulation. You can learn to drive your creativity, high energy seen as anxiety. I've always said energy. Mother said, "You need to be busy. She was right. As an adult- i see the blessing & curse. I learned quickly, but the ADHD arrived in college. Highly sensual, passion. Great Talk.

My daughter's pediatrician stated that she was gifted at around a month or two old. Why? Because when she was doing her exam on her my daughter was tracking her and every move she made. My daughter was also observing the room and the people that were talking. The Doctor said that she only comes across babies like that very rarely. Fast-forward 9 years and my daughter was tested into a self-contained gifted program and had an estimated 140+ IQ. However, I guess she's not typical because she is not a perfectionist, has a normal EQ, and embraces change and socializes with her peers fine.

This woman is exactly what I visualize when I think of a woman who works with gifted children.

The distinction between verbal and visual-spatial is under-recognized. Research has shown nobel prize winners, often hovering at or around 160 IQs, generally have large discrepancies with visual-spatial intelligence. It is typically 20 or more points deficient. And I think they only manage to score that highly by supplementing raw visual capacity with generalized working memory and processing speed advantages. Also, kids who are profoundly gifted builders are sometimes relatively average in other facets of intelligence. That's an unusual degree of specialization for a capacity called g, which stands for GENERAL ability These are two fundamentally different systems. One is brand new, hypothetical, explorative. The other is ancient, fundamental, certain. They overlap somewhat with the primary facets of intelligence: divergence and convergence. Wild, creative, ADHD brilliance vs somehow just understands physics equations. They also likely accompany preferences for executive network functioning vs default mode network activity. VS intelligence has been found to correlate with executive activity, and general IQ is strongly connected to DMN activity. These two systems also overlap perfectly with the two primary work areas of memory: the phonetic loop and the visual-spatial sketchpad (Baddely). I think that intelligence profiles manifest according to, among other things, the amount of g funneled into the sketchpad vs the phonetic loop. Profound giftedness is extremely rare, and typically represents a person with such high g that they'e great at everything. Think Davinci, renaissance men. Most people with exceptional giftedness have discrepancies, areas of strengths and weaknesses. An even, top-tier profile was found in only 1 out of 25 people of exceptional giftedness or above. And yet some degree of evenness is needed for intelligence to manifest at all. Physically, divergence and convergence represent the growth and pruning of the brain. Too much gas with no brakes and you're schizophrenic, a diffuse brain like a gas cloud. All brakes with no gas and you're autistic with just one narrow specialization. Both of these people could have absurdly high divergent or convergent intelligence, and yet neither has a useful map of reality. Intelligence is the size of your information network times its accuracy. Highly intelligent people are those who have a large degree of both kinds of intelligence. Rocket fuel with pinpoint brakes. You can see the problem evolution has in threading this needle. To increase the intelligence of a species over time, it must balance these two opposing rubber bands fairly equally. But evolution doesn't know that, so you get all kinds of sparking, failed brains popping up instead. Autism is a good example: it correlates with either extremely high or extremely low intelligence. That's the danger of aiming at the sun: oftentimes you just get fried. With the right variable settings, a brain is capable of navigating the 40% increased cortical stimulation load that autistic people live with. With the wrong settings, it's like trying to survive anti-tank mines in a Prius. It might have great fuel economy compared to a Bradley, but trust me you really want to invest in the Bradley. Interestingly enough, the unevenness of g distribution among intellectual facets can be seen even at the highest levels, IF you compare them to other people at the highest levels. The aforementioned Renaissance man Davinci is in fact a great case study of NOT being equally good at everything. Although he was great at everything, if you look at the root of his talents, it's clear he was primarily a visual-spatial thinker. Painting, engineering, his brilliant experiments with pitchers of sand that allowed him to deduce the fundamental principles of gravity hundreds of years before Newton. Even his sense of medicine was physically informed: think of the Vitruvian man. Compare him to John Von Neumann, who was possibly the most brilliant quantitative mind ever. He never touched on physical reality. All his incredible work is about the metaphysical underpinnings of reality. And yet both of them appear to be maximally talented men who are simply great at everything. In actuality, they were near-maximally talented men who used generally different sources of fuel to power comprehensive maps of sometimes-overlapping areas of reality

IQ 116 Lol! I don't even understand how levers work. I was placed in remedial sets at school but despite having a supervised Mensa IQ in the 'High Average' range I just couldn't do the work in my first year at secondary school.

The quality I most dislike in others is that of being inauthentic. Fakeness is just unbearable and makes me recoil.

The last thing I want to hear is a woman telling me that being achievement oriented isn't important, when one of the most important aspects of achievement is gaining the attention and approval of women. Why are they like this???