What's the misleading part?

Nice!!! I'm happy it was helpful! Yeah it's been a while since i made this video! You have a video of it working?

@@gabriel.vonknorring not yet, but i will make a video

@@gabriel.vonknorring by the way, happy sailing :) I drove a sailboat in the Black Sea, without a license :) I'm going to get my skipper's license as soon as possible

Thanks so much! every bit of positive feedback is appreciated :)

I would say definitely not! I did the same but from Sweden and on a monohull!

@@CatamaranFreedom that’s what I was hoping you would say. After looking at prices I’ll probably go monohull to start as well but might as well start looking. What’s your favorite site for searching for boat sales?

@@freerangemarketers honestly I have had the most success with small sites that are local. I found my boat at a local Swedish site but the boat was in Miami. The big sites are a good starting point but usually don't have many bargains :)

@@CatamaranFreedom thanks for your help!

Hey Gregor! Sorry you didn't like the video. What is it that you didn't like? I think i state it fairly clearly that I was personally surprised that it was slower than expected considering other boats i have sailed.

@@CatamaranFreedom Hey, what does slow mean in your world? There is no comparison to anything here. Just saying the boat is slow is like saying the Porsche is slow and no one knows you just drove a Formula 1 car. The pictures are very bad because they are constantly panned back and forth without focus on anything. Your comments can hardly refer to the blurred pictures. The viewer is not taken along and waits, even though the shakiness makes him sick, for the resolution of your headline. But unfortunately that doesn't come either, except that the boat was slow.....what is slow? In how much headwind and current, at what power setting of the engines and what consumption was the boat and how fast? Decribe the boats you've sailed under which circumstances..... Blue Skies Gregor

@@gregorbehling7026 Cool! I appreciate your input! Thanks for taking the time to be constructive! That is not always the case with comments :)

@@CatamaranFreedom unfotunately you didn't answer my question!

@@gregorbehling7026 oh I didn't actually think you wanted an answer! My bad. It is slow compared to most cruising cats in that length class (check out multihull dynamics.com), mainly do to it's physical characteristics. Wide hulls, large wetted surface, quite heavy and fixed keels. But those are the "metrics". It's another thing that the boat "feels" slow, unresponsive at the helm, slow to accelerate etc, but that's a subjective experience. Does that come a little bit closer to answering your question?

Yeah, cats speed is how light and shallow its draft is while still keeping good lateral slip. The space inbetween the hulls is supposed to be leg room more than extra storage or in most cases in modern designs, housing.

I agree that most commentors have their expertise from watching Parlay. But they have a point: The "handful" is almost 100 confirmed cases now, but most boats haven't checked their bulkheads. The 400 has bulkhead issues, too. Plus someone just discovered a cracked mast support column, and several owners have checked and found the exact same damage. The 380? Just look at the nice 2010/2011 380 owner's version in Spain, the one that is listed with half a dozen brokers. Or Daria's sistership Monika, also for sale in Spain. Or Kerika, which has all port side bulkheads detached and one cracked.

@@nothingspecial8500 I'm sure you've spoken with more than 500 450 owners to know that most of the more than 1000 havent been checked. You've totally convinced me that 2 individual 380s with unknown use histories are sufficient evidence that several thousand of them must also be defective.

@@joelw2023 nope. I looked at enough 400 to know that almost nobody outside the FB group bubble implements the technical notes issues by Lagoon. Try to find a rot free 400 - or any Lagoon with the escape hatch fix implemented. From my experience the 450 owner group is not much different in that matter. The 380 never reached 1000 units as far as I know, but I could be wrong. My three examples are just the two units I know with bulkhead problems which are currently on the market. I have more on file that were sold, some of them years ago. But I don't want to convince you of anything. If you are in the market for a Lagoon cat you are most likely a big boy and make your own decisions. Good luck!

I agree. It's a matter of sailing preferences. But i was surprised that a lightly loaded 380 would be that sluggish . Other than that it's a nice boat

I agree......., have you checked the bulkheads, that's the only reason if you were surprised in a bad way. Don´t buy it until a good check on the internal structure.

Can you tell me why that is please ? I am trying to learn about boats. Thanks !

@@BibiBubuish Bulkheads. Go Check out Parlay Revival YT Channel

As a livebaord i definitely agree. I haven't found many 38ft cats with that amount of space!

Yep, we lived aboard our 380 for a year. It’s a great catamaran

I definitely think your onto something. But i also think that if lagoon handles the situation in a good way I'll feel comfortable looking into buying one

Amen. Well said. One word: bulkheads

Ja but not everybody is keen on balsa cores.

Hey Micheal. 220k euro

Hey! If you want to you can't look up it's performance characteristics and youll be able to see that the data matches my observation. Wide hulls and heavyweight .

Yeah. I really hope they figure that out! Looks like a sloppy job of fiberglassing.!

@@CatamaranFreedom sloppy job of fibreglassing on one boat maybe ,on dozens then its a design fault.

@@CatamaranFreedom did you ever check your bulkheads, are they single plywood like the 450?

@@willyum1208 hey will!! No sorry i didn't!

Hahaha. Not a fan;)

I am with you William ro many issues specifically broken and cracked bulkheads

@@traceysmallwood7489 Not on this model, or?

@@traceysmallwood7489 on one model only. remember more lagoons have circumnavigated than any other catamaran, I wouldn't say no to one, but this one is a bit small

@@licencetoswill no not only 1 model, it is an issue across most of their models. It’s just that Parlay made it very public on their 450. There is documented issues on the 500, 440, 420, 400 & 380 etc. if you research the insurance claims worldwide you will find the answers.

haha, I like how you have tried and tried :) That's the cool thing with life right, we enjoy different things about it! Are you sailing anything right now?

I didn't see it that way André. I actually was surprised that it was this slow but you make a good point! Thanks for the input!

Are you sure? Do you think if they do a good job with the bulkheads they will be forgiven?

@@CatamaranFreedom I’m certain, the sky is falling.. lol - the armchair quarterbacks are certainly beating their tambourines..

@@bjackson1975 Looks like it is falling, just as fast as Lagoons resale value. kzbin.info/www/bejne/sKC7iH6wabSXqck

@@nandrews8412 Lagoon is apparently making their choice in the matter.

I'm awaiting the official lagoon response!

@@CatamaranFreedom yep.. before I say anything negative, we need to give Lagoon an opportunity to respond. That will be their moment.

@@bjackson1975 Considering the upgrade/repairs to make them seaworthy are quoted from 50-90k im guessing they will file bankruptcy after the class action suit.

@@nandrews8412 Still too early to tell. Hoping the community will at least give them time to make it right before the inevitable cancel sentiment occurs.

Interesting. But surely there should be some cats that are up to your standard?

@@CatamaranFreedom the problem with lagoons is the grids and bulkheads are glued and not glassed on. Joint separation is common. Same with jeaneau, benetau, and lots of newer brands. Most production boats are all owned by the same company. Diffrent brands but same owners. I ended up buying a Tayana 52. Built strong.

I guess you have seen the story of parlay revival? That's not good build quality..! And I totally agree with you on that

@@CatamaranFreedom yes ive seen parley. But i have seen alot of adhesive faliures from the company who owns lagoon, benatau and a few other brands. In my opinion, if you want a good solid boat. Go a little older build. I boat a boat for compfort, reliability, stingth and one i can sail around the world on with no question. I got a Tayana 52

That's strange isn't it? There's no real magic to a good bond, so it's only for saving the company some money? Or what Do you think?

Good boat spotting sir! You live in Marbella?

@@CatamaranFreedom Nope. But I saw the logo on the bow of the boat. From there on it was easy.

Too bad! Otherwise I would invite you for some boat spotting this weekend

@@CatamaranFreedom Thanks but for now Spain is to far away. I used to work there about 15 years ago. But now a couple of thousand km. further south.

What model do you think?

Hey! Well i did think some of you guys would appreciate it, and so i put it up there. Thanks for the feedback I'll definitely keep that in mind!

What do you think of the arguments i present? Thanks !

Haha zero is a low score ;)

Haha well said ;)

@@CatamaranFreedom you are welcome ;)

Thanks Peter! I think i mention those in the article. Yes two hulls, twice the trouble haha

Amen brother, amen :)

I agree!

I definitely agree with you on that!

I definitely agree that proper planning is key when it comes to staying safe! Although sooner or later that unexpected storm always seems to show up :)

@@CatamaranFreedom very true. Thing I keep seeing is folks tend to push the envelope for the boat and gear they got. Get something better and you go out in things that are worse. Anyone going the living aboard cruising route shouldn't be under the illusion that any boat marketed towards them is safe in a hurricane. I've been doing a lot of reading lately on all the accidents I can find over the years. Almost every catamaran accident I've seen has been from 1 of 2 things. Folks with low skills making mistakes that lead to the boat having substantial damage or failing to see to maintenance. Folks with high skills letting the confidence in a boat put them in a bad situation. That former group isn't going to do any better with a better boat. That latter group would actually be better off in a lesser boat if it convinces them to not be so stupid. One thing I do keep seeing though is the folks who are cruising successfully are meticulous about timing their trips with a constant eye towards safe passages. Even then they can still get stuck in a squall but nothing that should come close to taking out any of the catamarans that are commonly being used in the charter industry. So in the end if I had to choose between a bigger boat or better quality gear I think gear is the way to go. The better gear would be everything from better chain and anchors, to sails and lines, well maintained engines with spares, and last but absolutely not least.... the best comms gear I could run combined with something like predictwind. Now if you can afford all the extra bells and whistles go for the bigger boat.

I agree! Looks great for liveboard but the tradeoff seems to be sailing characteristics! You know of any L380 that has been modified for speed?

@@CatamaranFreedom why modify it for speed? Get a boat designed for speed. Trade offs are what they are. This boat is designed for a particular niche. Changing it to a more aggressive sail plan might get you more speed, but it would also likely make the boat riskier. If you dealt with the increased risk you would then have spent so much money that it would have been easier to sell this boat and buy the appropriate one. Case in point: One stay vs two stays for the mast. A boat meant to be out in bad conditions should have 2. If you want a more aggressive boat don't even consider one that doesnt have 2. Otherwise you are likely to push your boat into a situation where everything can go from fine to really really bad in a moment. This boat can and will get you to many places cruisers want to go. The trips have to be well planned of course. The boat is definitely one meant for better weather conditions. Saying all that you can find these boats for sale occasionally in some remote places. So someone sailed it there.

I disagree about needing 2 stays. The 380 Mast is only 57ft above the waterline. In comparison, a 450F is 75 ft AWL. The 380 doesnt need 2 stays for that height. The 380 has a CE rating for every ocean in the world. Many of them have done multiple circumnavigations.

Yeah that makes sense! You want some action right :)?

@@CatamaranFreedom ... Yes please, next time you interview a multihull designer, like R Wood, why not about trimarans.

Very interesting! I like the idea

Actually that's a pretty common question ! Usually what I did, and i think most people do, is sleepp for around 30 min, get up check the surroundings and sails. And then repeat. The autopilot will steer for you :) It's very demanding but a cool experience. I have written a few words about it ok my website: www.catamaranfreedom.com/how-to-sleep-comfortably-on-any-boat/#Sleeping_On_a_Boat_In_The_Middle_of_The_Sea