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@alvarohernandez2764
@alvarohernandez2764 8 сағат бұрын
What's the proper connection between these 3? Guitar pedal GP-200 on the left, and focusrite 4i4 4th on the right. GP manual doesn't epecify if xlr out is mic, or line or inst level. It just sais 1kQ. The 4i4 manual doesn't specify the 1/4" inst ohms. I don't want to damage the preamps as past experiences. What is the propper connection here? What's up with the impedance matching/mismatch 1. 1kΩ xlr out --> 3kΩ mic xlr in 2. 1kΩ xlr out --> ???Ω 1/4" inst in 3. 1kΩ xlr out --> 60Ω 1/4" line in
@robertstan2349
@robertstan2349 2 күн бұрын
couldn't hear a difference that i could definitively say wasn't due to my imagination. but it sounds different in the room than through youtube.
@disquesettourne-disques
@disquesettourne-disques 8 күн бұрын
This can apply to phono cartridges as well isn't it?
@snowboarder12653
@snowboarder12653 15 күн бұрын
Thank you! This finally makes sense
@PSR_B1257
@PSR_B1257 24 күн бұрын
Thank you for sharing such an understandable explanation! Just got another question: can the input impedance of a receiving device like a preamp or a di box be too high for the source? Let’s say the input impedance would be 1000 times greater than the output impedance of the source. Would such a big drop of the signals current have any negative effects?
@petascalecomputing
@petascalecomputing Ай бұрын
Amazing video series.
@garyembar4774
@garyembar4774 2 ай бұрын
Stellar work there!
@Slope114
@Slope114 2 ай бұрын
Subscribed. you’re kickin some butt here on YT!
@Slope114
@Slope114 2 ай бұрын
White board baffles “audio file grade” $99999 ftw! 😂 jk thanks for the video! Very interesting & enlightening!
@BojanBojovic
@BojanBojovic 2 ай бұрын
The problem is semantics, better automatically means that it is objective, while this is purely subjective. Clean interface preamps are objectively better than a Neve preamp in any measurable way, but subjectively almost everyone would choose the Neve sound over the clean preamp.
@NuncNuncNuncNunc
@NuncNuncNuncNunc 2 ай бұрын
Did you ever get a second sample to confirm the leakage inductance?
@hansmuller1980
@hansmuller1980 2 ай бұрын
for me shure C wins
@ClearOutSamskaras
@ClearOutSamskaras 2 ай бұрын
Sept 9/2024 I had to do a couple run throughs but _I strongly prefer_ A. The tonality is richer and it "sings" more than the other two.
@Blondiekuy
@Blondiekuy 2 ай бұрын
hey this video is helping me so much so thank you for this!!! I did have one question which is you show the amplification circuit but I don't understand f\how that relates to the circuit? you sayed that it boosts the voltage but keeps that current the same which makes since to me but when you referred to how the examples would relate to the Input Impedance the Volts were the same as in the examples and didn't get that boost you were talking about.
@nickdual
@nickdual 2 ай бұрын
I subscribed, you do too, man!
@kommunismusarbeiterjonny
@kommunismusarbeiterjonny 2 ай бұрын
Great song great mic, where can I stream it????
@kommunismusarbeiterjonny
@kommunismusarbeiterjonny 2 ай бұрын
damn Id LOVE TO BUY ONE OF THOSE do you guys have student discounts for students in germany?
@bradhayes8294
@bradhayes8294 3 ай бұрын
You say the voltage gets reflected back. Does it actually get reflected back, like a water wave, or are you really talking about a +/- voltage feedback loop? It seems to me if it actually gets reflected back, like a water wave, then the length of the voltage conductor path would affect the following voltage waveform(s), possibly increasing, decreasing, or even completely canceling out the following voltage waveform(s) in a completely unpredictable and undesirable manner. Also, I've always heard about the importance of impedance matching when it comes to amplifier output and speakers. Is impedance matching not a concern then, when dealing with microphones, pickups, etc. and amplifiers/preamplifiers?
@jacksonrussellband
@jacksonrussellband 3 ай бұрын
To some degree I think blind test are useless. The ‘use your ears’ concept is fine… but listen for what? Then I start my research all over after leaving this channel… Not trying to cause trouble it’s just frustrating…
@iangomes
@iangomes 4 ай бұрын
I'm surprised, I liked C a lot, haha.
@ChainsawCoffee
@ChainsawCoffee 4 ай бұрын
A couple of things: Why not show a frequency sweep graph, and also a null test? Audio transformers are basic components, and are easily tested.
@alderaudio
@alderaudio 4 ай бұрын
Valid questions. A frequency sweep shows all of the transformers to be completely flat, however this is deceiving, as you can clearly tell with your ears. Not only is a line output (which would drive such test) much lower impedance than an electromagnetic pickup, the output impedance is also flat while that of a pickup is curved. There is also the issue of transient response. I could attempt to model it all, but in the end I believe the ears are a better test. Transformers are one of those things that seem simple but get more and more complicated the deeper you look at them.
@AdventuresAdam
@AdventuresAdam 4 ай бұрын
Would you mind sharing how you editing that vocal to get that sound? I’ll buy the mic if you do. lol. Seriously.
@stephenpliska2111
@stephenpliska2111 4 ай бұрын
shout out Elderly
@hansonigor
@hansonigor 5 ай бұрын
Great work, cool idea. Would be nice to try one. So what’s the thickness of the ribbon material?
@DouglasThompson
@DouglasThompson 5 ай бұрын
Really cool. Im considering a Ribbon Mic due to the annoyance of sibilance.
@ReshAleph
@ReshAleph 5 ай бұрын
After your intro and explanation I can't help but like you brother. Subbed.
@AndrewPark-rw1ct
@AndrewPark-rw1ct 5 ай бұрын
Brilliant! Thanks
@ericroberts9259
@ericroberts9259 5 ай бұрын
Great tone. As a passive ribbon, I would use a booster (e.g. Triton FetHead) to increase the signal/noise ratio.
@ChigerG
@ChigerG 5 ай бұрын
Thank you, this is a really excellent explanation! I have a question. If the input impedance was to increase to a very large number, say Z=10,000, does that mean the current in the 100Hz and 1,000Hz examples would decrease to achieve a ratio of 10,000 (voltage presumably cannot increase because that's a function of acoustic pressure on the mic capsule)? If so, does that reduction in current have any negative side effects? Said another way, for input impedance higher is better, but up to a certain limit?
@solidabass
@solidabass 5 ай бұрын
C is the best to my taste, reveals the Pbass sound, sounds deep. A sounds good, more ‘neutral’. B sounds hollow to me ‘cheaper’ thanks for the content. Subscribed
@Mtaalas
@Mtaalas 5 ай бұрын
For me as a electronics designer it's immediately weird that you start by defining impedance wrong... impedance is a complex number and you COMPLETELY ignore it. This is very misleading and completely useless... yeah, impedance isn't simple to understand, but then you should just explain it better.
@viktorbarnabas
@viktorbarnabas 6 ай бұрын
This is the 10th horribly-sounding video I’ve watched this week created by a ‘pro audio’ guy. This one even has an utterly shitty image as well. Should I listen to anything you say here?
@Batman-n1q1v
@Batman-n1q1v 6 ай бұрын
So there is magic dust inside
@texaspete7897
@texaspete7897 6 ай бұрын
Do you mean attenuate or reduce in the use of the word "reflect"? I think that's it.....
@texaspete7897
@texaspete7897 6 ай бұрын
It is a good explanation. I just don't really understand the term "reflect" as you are using it herein. Maybe I'll get it after a few more views. Thanks
@nefertemra
@nefertemra 6 ай бұрын
Hi back in the 80s before the prices of vintage auto skyrocketed I had a few tube integrated amps using 6bq5 output tubes and I found the sansui amps had a special sweet sound compared to the American made Scott amp that I had later on
@TheSoundsOfSirens
@TheSoundsOfSirens 6 ай бұрын
If the angled/herringbone corrugation add more strength and rigidity, won’t it affect the flex of the ribbon making less sensitive to sound?? Haha curious but looks interesting!
@alderaudio
@alderaudio 6 ай бұрын
Good question. That is exactly what I expected and I had hoped to perhaps use any sound difference to advantage, but what I found in practice is what ribbon makers have known for a long time. As long as the ribbon is uniform (not piston corrugation), then the response is dominated by the mass of the ribbon and the resonant frequency. These can be equal between standard corrugation and herringbone, and they do not sound different, so long as the ribbons are tensioned to the same resonant frequency.
@TheSoundsOfSirens
@TheSoundsOfSirens 6 ай бұрын
@@alderaudio that is interesting!!
@reidhauke3389
@reidhauke3389 6 ай бұрын
Hey, who can help me identify a vintage transformer? And who is selling such things? Any one stop shop?
@alderaudio
@alderaudio 6 ай бұрын
The one place I know to point you to is retrogearshop. They've got a lot of desirable vintage transformers and maybe comparing to their photos can help with identification? They have a lot but are priced accordingly.
@noel3422
@noel3422 6 ай бұрын
TA: Impedance was more linear over a wider freq. response. TB, full response dropouts evident. TC, even more.
@bjornodin
@bjornodin 6 ай бұрын
I liked B the best. A wasn't "bassy" enough for my taste and C sounded like it was trying to imitate B. It got the basics but failed at the nuances.
@polkiju7
@polkiju7 6 ай бұрын
You seem like more of a Van Gogh guy.
@dirkchurlish4074
@dirkchurlish4074 7 ай бұрын
Hi Tyler, amazing work! Thank you for sharing your process and your results. The vintage transformer seems to have less 3kHz and a steadier presence around 1k, which, on bass guitar, translates to a relaxing 'glow' for me. The T-L20 has a pokier, more transient-defined response by comparison. I wonder what causes the difference. Is there any phase rotation happening in either of these transformers? Any saturation that you've measured? Because the A9J does sound more even (dynamically speaking) through that ~1k midrange. I found that listening at 2x speed helped me hear the difference and listening through bandpass filters helped me confirm the differences I was hearing. I won't be convinced it's not a materials thing until I hear an Adler DI that fully glows around 1k, probably not due to any saturation or compression, but likely due to there being less 3k/transient bite. Maybe you encountered one in your testing..? I'm curious. And grateful to you for your work!
@alderaudio
@alderaudio 7 ай бұрын
Hi Dirk, thanks for the feedback. I've struggled to manage the technical depth of these transformers while still making the content accessible. There is a lot to it! But I'll try to let you in on just a bit more in what I can fit here in a comment. The biggest huge difference in this case is that my transformer is toroidal, which comes with a whole host of changes. I've highlighted a few, but really the whole design just ends up different because you have different inductance per wrap, wire gauge, capacitance, just kind of everything. So my intention was never to clone, I just took the high inductance and low leakage away from the vintage model as guiding principles. As far as saturation we are WAY far away from that using just a pickup. I have intentionally pushed these both to saturation and it takes a decent bit of juice. As far as phase, I know Jensen likes to talk about that, which I assume is where you are coming from? Their point is that phase shift can occur in the low end as a result of the natural high pass filter of every transformer. What's the key to pushing that shift lower and lower out of audio range? Higher and higher inductance. So both of these perform really well in that regard. The TL-20 also measures lower in THD at 30hz.
@dirkchurlish4074
@dirkchurlish4074 7 ай бұрын
@@alderaudio interesting, thank you for sharing!!
@簡東成-w3n
@簡東成-w3n 7 ай бұрын
若以A和B比較。確認spec. Bass A為A-9j type 我認為.
@javierf55
@javierf55 7 ай бұрын
Splendid video, so useful. In my case, I have a Fender Hotrod Deluxe amp, plus a Shure SM58 mic. I recently bought a Hohner Crossover C harmonica, so I bought a Shure A85F transformer. but the problem now is that I'm getting so high feedback noise even with minimum volume; the solution at this moment is to play the harmonica, like twenty feet away from the amp, which is not practical for rehearsing.
@NiamorH
@NiamorH 7 ай бұрын
Why don't preamp manufacturers just build extra high input impedance devices that any instrument or mic could plug into? Why does it have to be around 10 times higher and not more? The current would reduce but the voltage pickup at the input should remain unchanged, no? Also what about cable impedance? Does it add to the input impedance or to the output impedance? Or neither?
@alderaudio
@alderaudio 7 ай бұрын
Big questions here, hard to answer quickly. First, unless you are running miles of cable the capacitance is going to be the biggest thing that that has an effect on the input. There's been a lot written about this and it's interaction with pickups that you can find and read online if you like. And as far as input stages, manufactures don't get to just set it wherever they want, the input impedance that is appropriate is linked to the design choices of the first stage. So if you have an op amp vs a FET vs a tube, things change. The input impedance options are limited by the overall design.
@bassface84
@bassface84 7 ай бұрын
I like it. It's got some 'gravity' to it for lack of a better word...
@bassface84
@bassface84 7 ай бұрын
"A" sounds like what a guitar player thinks a bass DI should sound like... I prefer "B" and I could live with "C".
@dirkchurlish4074
@dirkchurlish4074 7 ай бұрын
shots fired :) what's wrong with A? Won't that glowing midrange around 1k translate best within a full mix?
@alvincornistamusic8754
@alvincornistamusic8754 7 ай бұрын
What happens in the OPPOSITE situation. Most modern interfaces have line output inpedances of 30ohms-75ohms. What happens when you plug this output into a color preamp with an input impedance of 1200ohms-2kohms?
@alderaudio
@alderaudio 7 ай бұрын
Well, you won't have impedance matching problems, so that part is sort of fine, but you will have level problems and possibly ground problems. Because both devices are referenced separately to ground you may get a hum. The input level will also be really loud. But you can turn down the level in your daw and give it a try if you like. It may work. If you have hum, you can probably solve it with a reamp box, which will also bring down the level.
@alvincornistamusic8754
@alvincornistamusic8754 7 ай бұрын
@@alderaudio no ground problems here, but about the level, would the pad button on the preamp help, or is that not enough or at a different point in the circuit?
@alderaudio
@alderaudio 7 ай бұрын
@@alvincornistamusic8754 the pad could help and is probably a good idea but really if you have no hum it's just a gain staging thing. All you need is to not distort the input on your preamp, so whether you want to use the pad, turn down the output on your interface, or turn down the source right inside the DAW, you can get it to the right level using any combination.
@stivep1
@stivep1 7 ай бұрын
Voltage is just a potential. No Voltage nor current can be reflected. Your home electrical outlet has 110V AC and Zero current in Amps (Open Circuit) Xl and Xc are reactive components of impedance: Condenser Microphone=~variable capacitor. At lower frequencies, C reactance is larger, impeding current flow. Dynamic Microphone=~ coil changing its inductive reactance . When reactances XL = XC impedance Z=0 and you are in resonance . * It is a signal that is reflected if mismatch of impedance accrue .* Phase is very important in music from classical physics stand point too.
@nicopoppe4838
@nicopoppe4838 7 ай бұрын
In the real world inductive and capacitive resistance will never be the same... you are explaining dc current, not Ac... U= R x I x cos phi. Thats why eco energy its so difficult, cos you need to retain the 50hz or 60hz net frecuency.
@piolopscl
@piolopscl 6 ай бұрын
If you watch the video, his explanation say that impedance change by frequency. He didn't want it to be super technical so he didn't convey inductive and capacitive reactance.